We knew the spike was DIRECTLY pathological, absent the rest of the virus, in DECEMBER of 2020. The study leading to that conclusion and promoting the second study (by no less than the Salk Institute!) was published in SEPTEMBER of 2020, while trials were underway of the jabs. Salk looked at it as a result and while their work was not peer-reviewed until spring of 2021 the pre-print was public in December of 2020 and given who did the work certainly should have raised plenty of eyebrows; this was not some hack group that came up with it.

There was more than sufficient evidence that the probability of severe harm from the mere use of these products existed from that alone. There was also plenty of other evidence too including all the prior fails in Moderna trials for cancer but it wasn't necessary to go there, or to implicate any of the delivery mechanisms (e.g. vector .vs. mRNA, etc.) All you needed was that endothelial damage had been demonstrated in a lab from the spike protein standing alone, so anything that caused it to enter the circulation was dangerous, and all injections ALWAYS cause some of the agent to enter the circulation. ALWAYS.

We also knew this mechanism of damage was very unlikely from an infection because they HAD been looking for evidence of viremia (virus in the circulation) in natural Covid infections and found it ONLY in extremely-severe (usually fatal) cases. It was otherwise absent, so the usual course of disease DID NOT present that risk.

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Quantum,

Here is a 2016 writeup on Moderna and mRNA courtesy of Ann Barnhardt . It is long, and if you read it with a discerning eye there are quite a few red flags. Example:

"Delivery actually getting RNA into cells has long bedeviled the whole field. On their own, RNA molecules have a hard time reaching their targets. They work better if theyre wrapped up in a delivery mechanism, such as nanoparticles made of lipids. But those nanoparticles can lead to dangerous side effects, especially if a patient has to take repeated doses over months or years.

Novartis abandoned the related realm of RNA interference over concerns about toxicity, as did Merck and Roche."

https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/mode....

They are continuing to hide, and cover their asses, how much longer can this continue? Seems this will go on for a long time, the sheep continue to sleep.

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"The free market works, if you let it... but part of

Given this was known at the time, why the hell didn't the democrats take the exit ramp and blame Trump for the whole mess in April-May of '21? Anyone with political instincts would have seen this was the politically expedient course of action.

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Its all in the mitochondria

Absolutely NOTHING about any of this in our local fish-wrapper. Same goes for the local "news" channels. It's about what you should expect in the PRC -- People's Republic of Colorado.

As a Cardiologist in the mid Atlantic the last 8 months have been eye opening.

I am seeing a case of myocarditis or pericarditis that are temporally related to the booster weekly. Prior to this I saw an episode of myocarditis once every 3 years.

I am having a couple patients die weekly. Turbo cancer or sudden and unexpected cardiac death weekly. Seems higher.

I need to strongly emphasize what Karl said regarding cardiac damage. It cant be repaired. You cant unjab someone. And there are multiple ways from a cardiac standpoint you can die from chronic myocarditis.

I also have come to respect young women more. I have a number of them between the ages of 25 and 35 who have fought not to get vaccinated. They keep fighting Human Resources. In one case a college coach said no, and was told she would be fired. She resigned instead and got a better job in the South.

I spoke to a Hospital CEO in the doctors parking lot a few months ago. I asked if they were going to require the booster. He said no. VA and MD werent and they had lost too much staff due to their mandate, so they as a group of hospitals went to the DC Board of Health and asked the, not to require it. Strictly a monetary decision.

THIS STOP WHEN WE MAKE IT STOPS.

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Each day it gets worse and worse. EVERYONE involved with pushing these jabs needs to be turned into plant food



I would love to have an Audrey II to dispose of the bodies

Also note the WEF's little confab in Davos starts today. C'mon Vlad, it's time to bring out one of your . Or maybe there is a Islamic group that are not CIA/Mossad assets who would like to do the deed. C'mon guys, virgins in paradise await!

One of the things that ought to scare the shit out of people @Cvdoc is a possibility I put forward early, and that is "silent" PEs. The lungs have no pain receptors (something you learn when you first take up diving and the reason you need to know it is that you'll get no warning of the damage and death if you hold your breath on ascent as a result!) and thus its entirely possible to get one and not know it. If its significant enough it can produce pulmonary arterial hypertension (PAE) which is sometimes symptom-less itself until it fucks up your heart and there's no non-invasive and easy way to test for it since the artery in question is buried in your chest.

You can detect the damage with a cardiac MRI or CT but at that point the damage has already accumulated and if the source is clotting that does not resolve in the lungs, and is diffuse enough I'm not sure there is any sort of fix for it.

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Pulmonary Embolism: eliquis
Pulmonary Hypertension: Sildenafil

Won't solve problems, but so far it's kept few of my pts alive

Tick Tock....

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Given this was known at the time, why the hell didn't the democrats take the exit ramp and blame Trump for the whole mess in April-May of '21? Anyone with political instincts would have seen this was the politically expedient course of action.

Power corrupts.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

There's also going to be tons of job openings. My employer (company of about 6,000 employees) gaslit and put us through hell about the jab. Before us unjabbed got the stay at the 6th Circuit, the company said 82% were vaccinated. With the current trend, in the next few years there will be a crap ton of openings. If any VP and above kills over I won't shed a tear.

@Forever_young - Your exactly right about absolute power. Then there is the money gravey train...bunch of FIH, CDC, FDA employees making big bucks off the mRNA shots. Fauci gets paid for every Moderna shot in the arm since he is on the patent. All the money that Pfizer and Moderna have made, good chance a bunch of that going to Democrat bank accounts.

As much as this was about greed, it was also a test of control, how many people could be forced into compliance?

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Some of the orthopedic medical groups in the Tampa Bay area have been advertising about using the stem cell therapy for joint and other repair. Any blips out in the ether about using stem cells for heart repair?

The government and industry response to Wuhan/Covid-19 has been strange, unexpected, "out of step", to previous similar events. The targeting of children to be injured, maimed, killed is something I have never seen before.

Feels like a new set of rules is in place ... not to my benefit.

@Mannfm11, tribes still teach their young men and boys the War/Warrior dances, and they honor their veterans perhaps more than we do in the broader culture.

But the tribes also had some of the highest shot rates among ethic groups, if not the highest. So even if they wanted to, they might or might not be able to arise to future opportunities with decline of U.S. capabilities. Hispanics had nearly as high a rate of shot uptakes as a group, but that doesn't count the ones coming over the border of course. There was a chart of uptakes rates by the various groups, spotted somewhere in my browsing history yesterday.

Hi folks, I just stumbled onto this site from my researching all this stuff. I've been increasingly worried about the implications of this for my brother. I never got the jab, but he, for reasons not important here, got the J&J vax after it came out in about April 2021. He won't ever get a booster (I was shocked he got the vax at all), but this permanent heart damage stuff is, for a brother, rather terrifying to learn about.

Is there any information at all on prevelance of this stuff for the J&J jab? I know they spiked that one, so that isn't good. He felt really sick for about a day after getting it, but has seemed fine since, no complaints of anything (he wouldn't hide symptoms if he had them). He is pretty sedentary, not in bad shape, but also not out doing cardio. Any reliable info (such as is possible in this ludicrous information blackout from TPTB) is appreciated.

I don't think we have enough data to know @Concernedbrother -- it has fallen off the radar after it basically got orphaned from causing serious side effects which, at the time, looked worse than the others.

Now I'm not so sure.

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Some of the orthopedic medical groups in the Tampa Bay area have been advertising about using the stem cell therapy for joint and other repair. Any blips out in the ether about using stem cells for heart repair?

One of the reasons people die from old age is that they run out of stem cells. There are lots of ways to heal joints and other problems; using up your stem cells doesn't seem like a good long-term option, and might not even work short-term

My parents got the J&J. So far, no issues in almost 2 years that we can tell.

the tinfoil hat on my head makes me think that jab wasn't as bad as the mRNA so they pulled it...or, they couldn't make as much money on it since it was "one and done" kinda thing and had it pulled.

@Concernedbrother, there is little out there that are official studies/information for the J&J alone. Complicating matters is that a lot of people who took the J&J took an MRNA booster afterwards (as instructed by our glorious Covid overlords) so that muddies the waters.

I am interested in this as well as both my husband and I are single J&J takers. I've already been blasted for that here before so let's not go down that path again, 'k guys? Thanks.

We took it on the same day in August 2021 and so far hubby and I have not had any problems.
We did finally get Covid in Nov 22 and were over it in about 7 days, no major issues.
The only other person I know who took 1 J&J (right when it came out) has been ok too. She's never gotten Covid despite her multi-MRNA-jabbed husband having gotten it twice.

If you want to talk about this off the thread send me a PM and I will be happy to do so.

The issue the J&J got pulled for was a thrombic thrombocytopenia condition (weird combo of clots with low platelets). They still don't know what causes it but the studies I read implied some sort of internal intrinsic factor/genetic combo that interacted badly with the shot. It seemed to happen within a month or two after the shot was administered. If your bro didn't get that he's likely in the clear for at least that issue.

Something that I consider potentially positive is that the Astrazeneca viral-vector shot (using chimp adenovirus not human like the J&J) didn't seem to cause the IGG4 immune tolerance issues that the MRNA ones seem to do. It is unclear if you can extrapolate from one VV type of shot to another but I am assuming you likely can.

A negative will still be the spike protein being generated internally by the body and potentially doing damage. Where and for how long is unknown.

Anyway, shoot me a pm if you want to chat further. And needless to say, he shouldn't get any more LOL.

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@Phils

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Some of the orthopedic medical groups in the Tampa Bay area have been advertising about using the stem cell therapy for joint and other repair. Any blips out in the ether about using stem cells for heart repair?

The government and industry response to Wuhan/Covid-19 has been strange, unexpected, "out of step", to previous similar events. The targeting of children to be injured, maimed, killed is something I have never seen before.

Feels like a new set of rules is in place ... not to my benefit.

This one has been going through my mind for a couple years at least and is one area where I don't completely agree with our host.

Do I think money/greed had a lot to do with where we are now? Absolutely. But I also think there is an evil out there who leveraged that greed to enact their own agenda.
You remember hearing about old civilizations that started sacrificing their young toward the end of their existence. Carthage, Myans, etc.

- We had what amounts to an abortion free for all in our country, even more liberal than most of Europe. Just allowing our states to take back the control of that access led to a pushback like none other. And don't tell me it's "my body, my choice" because those same people tried to vax everyone against their will.

- School shutdowns. We sacrificed two years of our children's development to "save" the old and unhealthy. Literally ruining our future to benefit those who should be doing the sacrificing.

- I noticed a commercial for RSV a few months ago. "Be on the lookout because it's now affecting the elderly, we're working on a vaccine for it." Was the gist of it. Nobody gave a shit as it killed hundreds of kids every year, hell, my two week old got it and it was the worst week of my life. And definitely worse than covid. But threaten the elderly and the world needs to stop for it.

- The sexualization of our children, forcing them to grow up before their time and make life-altering decisions they have no business making.

- Stem cells, as you bring up, sacrifice babies in the womb to keep us alive a bit longer.

Do I think we'll be stabbing babies in the street any time soon or throwing them into volcanoes? God I hope not, but put a 21st century spin on child sacrifice and what I'm seeing concerns me. Our first goal as a species should be to do everything to make the next generation succeed, even if it negatively impacts us, we do the exact opposite as a society.

Sorry if it's tin, I'll stop.

Is there any relation to brain tumors too? I have a fully jabbed family member who developed serious tumors, and is now off chemo. It could be six months, or 5 years of more life yet, I don't know. What's relevant here is the freak nature of the tumors, there is NO genetic history of this. At this rate, his life has been cut short by 12 years at least, compared to family members that have died in their 90's.

@Concernedbrother
Most realistic scenario is the same drug regimen used to treat myocarditis/pericarditis/cholesterol/bloodpressure issues. Beta-blockers, ACE inhibitors, diuretics etc., and a reduced ability for the body to withstand exercise.
Odd part is Ibuprofen is considered "first line" for pericarditis, even though it has a small risk for heart attacks.

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And yes, the blood supply is tainted, another huge story that will be suppressed.

This story is already out in my opinion unless you are wearing rainbow tinted glasses: The blood supply has been tainted ever since gay male donors were allowed. If you missed the 80s, the monkey pox outbreak last year was a gentle reminder about the incredibly high medical risk in this group. Blood donations from refugees come next in the list of unnecessary risk factors.

@sammuell

I have a buddy that got glioblastoma after the jabs. Did it to travel...pretty sure he knows the cause at this point.

That said, he was a boat builder for a few years and was around nasty chems a good bit, but he's now spending a shit ton of money at Duke trying to get something happening. Have not heard an update recently, though.

@Imhotep
Yeah, looks like "he won the lottery" too.
There is a limited liability program at https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp
More and more people need to complain. I don't even bother talking about the "spike protein" with "normies." It looks like finally the FDA is at least admitting the heart damage rates are higher than first admitted, and people are already troubled by that.