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2023-01-15 13:16 by Karl Denninger
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I don't think you can overstate how bad this is, so I'll just put a couple of snippets here and you can follow the link for the whole deal; Steve certainly deserves to get both the credit and reads for it:

In a study (not yet published) of 177 people in Puerto Rico (97% of whom were vaccinated), cardiac injury was objectively measured in 70% of the people measured (ages 8 to 84). 

Oh, that's not good.  Want worse?  Here's a highly medically supervised group of people, which makes this sort of news much worse:

In the US military, they did a thorough investigation of a large number of soldiers and found markers of cardiac injury in 68% of our soldiers. This was kept under wraps, but I am friends with the doctor who did the study.

That is nasty because the correlation in injury rate is very high.  If there was no common denominator or, in the alternative, one or both of the studies was trash, with two studies where each was performed by different and unrelated researchers you'd expect materially-different outcomes but that's not what you got in two distinct sets of people who had reasonably-similar jab rates.

If you recall my "base case" rate for you're ****ed was (and remains) 3%.  I defined "****ed": Seriously disabled or dead.  I am not yet persuaded that this is not a reasonable expectation but it is, at this point, appearing to be a lower boundary rather than a midpoint.  That's not so good.

When the first indications of myocarditis showed up (which were in the original trials) I pointed out that the obvious study to run was to take a thousand people who were interested in getting jabbed (thus no harm potential analysis was required from an ethics board since they're self-selected as intending to take it anyway), pull troponin and d-Dimer tests (both cheap off a blood draw) before they were jabbed and then pull that again a week and two weeks post-event.  If you find statistical elevation you know damn well something very bad is going on.  This would have cost well under a million dollars to do which in the realm of the tens of billions thrown around was chump change and could have trivially been completed and published by the spring of 2021, well before most of the population was involved.  Further, if no signal was present then you'd have a very solid statistical basis in telling people to calm down about their fears, at least with respect to cardiac compromise.

Lots of people can take some objective cardiac damage and not do the Fauci Flop.  A huge percentage of people are sedentary and the majority of the remainder are only modestly or moderately active.  The percentage of 50+ year old Americans who get off their ass and put their heart rate intentionally into Zone 4 or 5 on a regular basis is almost-certainly in the single-digit percentages and it is there where you are most-likely to provoke trouble, as we know happens every year when some people who had no clue they had cardiac trouble try to shovel the driveway and thud right there.  That happens every year.

But two of those groups above are very highly medically supervised.  The military is one of them, at least at the time of induction and, if there's reason to have concern, right now.  That's obvious; you want a fighting force that can, well, actually fight; you're supposed to die by being shot or blown up in the military, not by heart attack while attempting to get into position to shoot the "bad guys."  The latter can get your entire company killed so there's a strong incentive to monitor for those sorts of problems.

The other is professional and, to a somewhat-lesser extent, college-age athletes.  The former is a simple money thing; that person is a large investment and the last thing you want is for them to fall over dead on the field of play, which incidentally happens to be where millions of people will see it.  The latter is a reputational risk if not a monetary one.

The odds of you making it onto an NFL team with any ECG abnormality approach zero.  ECGs are not particularly sensitive to minor damage but anything significant is likely to show up there, and if it does, well, no contract for you.  The same is true for any other professional sports league; individual sports (e.g. golf or tennis) not so much because there you have no league and thus no team that has the reputational hit before them as a risk.

These are objectively nasty numbers and reality is that cardiac damage does not heal; you're stuck with it.  How limiting that winds up being is an open question but what is not an open question at this point is that this is wildly beyond -- by an order of magnitude or more -- the risk of death from the disease itself even in highly-compromised individuals and is two orders of magnitude or more beyond the risk of someone healthy and under 50 dying from an actual viral infection.  I remind you that in the case of infection you take the risk once and we now know that provides quite-durable and solid, but not perfect, immunity.  We never had reason to believe it would be otherwise either because every other respiratory viral infection leads to the same quite-durable and solid, but not perfect, immunity.  Those who wished to argue otherwise had the burden of proof and didn't even bother trying to make said case; they just yelled at you.

Are these (unpublished thus far) studies conclusive?  No, they're not.

I can't vouch for the quality of this work since I can't see the actual studies and data myself.  Without that all I have is an entry on a Substack.

But in no sane world would such a finding not be immediately released and a hard stop be called on whatever might be causing it until and unless it can be conclusively ruled out.  The problem is that the studies were not done before widespread use among the world's population occurred (which was ridiculously STUPID and in violation of every drug-testing protocol) so now if you publish these immediately upon detection you're admitting you screwed twenty percent, a third or even half of the population who took them.

Think about the implications and it ought to be obvious why they're not at all interested in immediate publication of any of this study work.

"May you live in interesting times."

Oh, and...


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Whitehat 11k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2023-01-15 13:47:35

The minute they stop everyone asks why.

They can't stop.

This is the oldest way to catch a conman.

smiley Je souhaite

Quod tu es, ego fui, quod ego sum, tu eris
Lobo 1k posts, incept 2013-12-25
2023-01-15 13:58:25

68%! The US military has already reduced enlistment criteria in order to get the numbers they need. This certainly won't help. It's going to take years before we get sufficient numbers of unvaxxed kids to enlistment age. And that's only if they stop the stupid now.
I have to wonder what they'll come up with to mitigate the situation.

Village Idiot
Jackamok 176 posts, incept 2021-09-03
2023-01-15 14:15:33

Unfortunately, I think these numbers are real. Given what we know about how the spike protein causes cardio-vascular injury and that the jabb puts lots of spikes into your bloodstream, getting away without heart damage would be the exception rather than the rule.

Add to that a bunch of autoimmune disorders and no immunity to future corona viruses and there are going to be a whole bunch of people who can't pull much weight in the workforce. Or the military.
Asimov 141k posts, incept 2007-08-26
2023-01-15 14:15:38

If that's for real, that may be a gamechanger.

It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

Festina lente.
Tsdj86 51 posts, incept 2022-12-06
2023-01-15 14:18:56

The end goal of this medical suicide operation goes far far beyond just money and greed. Even the most hardened conspiracy sceptic at this point has to have had a serious reality epiphany.

This entire covid mRNA injection insanity is way beyond dark and depraved.

Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-15 14:19:53

No @Tsdj86, it was just stupid.

Moderna as a company has been running trials on that **** for a decade; it has never worked. They were a money-losing biotech (as most are) and gee, now suddenly we can sell it.

Well, for a little while maybe, but it won't be long before people get ****ed and then... not so much.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Tsdj86 51 posts, incept 2022-12-06
2023-01-15 14:46:58

Karl, you actually made my point for me. Years and years of clinical failure did not stop these monsters from breaking every efficacy/trial rule in the book and pushing it on the population with the complicit approval of govt agencies.

You actually believe these big pharma executives aren't evil to the core, this was all just greed?

Whitehat 11k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2023-01-15 14:47:17

Interesting implications regarding the military were found when we were studying the Iranian, Russian and Chinese threats.

When a population starts getting older, without enough young people to fuel its existing and/or intended military operations and the decline of an aging population in general, there is an increasing threat to its opponents that a strike or campaign will come earlier and harsher or in the future be driven by more destructive strategic weapons as opposed to tactical weapons.

This sickening of the military without an immediately available replacement age group could have the same effect.

In essence, we are increasing the possibility of strategic weapons use for simple reason of not enough personnel for preferred campaigns and holding of positions. To solve the latter, the more destructive strategic use must be employed and a greater targeting of surroundings and opponent to ensure said.

In addition, somewhat less capable men due to this sickness might lead the military to use them as distance combatants running strategic weapons from sea or land where the personal physical exertions are not as harsh.

War without fighting men is much more horrible.

We just guaranteed that.

smiley Je souhaite

Quod tu es, ego fui, quod ego sum, tu eris
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2023-01-15 14:47:27

And the hits just keep on coming (for the vaccinated).

Its all in the mitochondria
Ocdawg 418 posts, incept 2019-03-14
2023-01-15 14:47:32


Payback... it's what's for dinner.... err... TPTB's future... no one's forgetting...


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Patrick58 249 posts, incept 2019-08-08
2023-01-15 14:48:14

There's something interesting here, at least in my pea brain. Assuming that the cardiac (and other) damage to these "jackwads" that didn't have the "huevos" to put up the middle finger "courageously walked into the line of fire!", and went along to get along ... and basically "lined up against the wall, and didn't even put up a fight!" (Bad move chicks and dudes lacking the moral fortitude to say the strongest word in the english language ...... "No").

You always have a choice! Yeah! I looked at the data coming out of the Diamond Princess, and thought, "a bunch of geriatrics .... on a floating Petri Dish", making sure that everyone was "exposed to this mysterious virus", in the port of Yokohama .... and less than 10 "geriatrics" kicked the bucket out of 2700 "wealthy geriatrics" ..... "WTF am I worried about?"

I had just returned from a month long trip in SE Asia, and traveled with a bunch of Chinese folks .... "I was likely already exposed!"

Just to cover my bases, I had my MD sister in law (in SE Asia) send me some "kits" containing the FLCC protocol medicines (Ivermectin, Hydrochloroquine, and anti-biotics)... enough to cover my immediate family. Never had to use them. Cost me a few bucks, but figured it was just "insurance".
Step55 222 posts, incept 2009-02-27
2023-01-15 14:48:19

@tg Dr. Pierre Kory mentioned the PULS test in one of his q+a videos.

This Amereican Heart Assoc. site claims the 5 year ACS incident rate of 11% went to 25% post jab. (it is dated 11-21)

Dr. Kory video -
Step55 222 posts, incept 2009-02-27
2023-01-15 15:01:03

Sorry, Use this Kory link
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-15 15:03:15

BTW let me issue a warning here: Whatever you may think of various alleged "remedies" or "mitigations" for various jab-damage elements cardiac damage that has already occurred is almost-certain to not be able to be addressed by any of them, or anything else, and no medication irrespective of the form, including supplements is without risk. When used on a chronic instead of acute basis the risk goes up simply because most have not been studied on a years, decades or lifetime-long basis and it takes that long to find out.

Thinking you can reverse this, if it happened, is likely (1) wrong and (2) exposes you to MORE and additional, different risk. Think carefully before you do that.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Invisiblesun 627 posts, incept 2020-04-08
2023-01-15 15:45:22

What percentage of active American pro-athletes faked their mRNA jab? For it seems that THUD is more prevalent among European footballers than it is among American pro-athletes. The more amateur the American level of performance (high school), the more frequent occurrences of THUD, although, the pool of total jabs becomes much larger.

What is real about American pro-athletes is THUD is too common for retired athletes and coaches. Larger pool of jabbed persons and an older pool of jabbed persons, but also jabbed persons less likely to fake it.
Bluto 2k posts, incept 2021-07-10
2023-01-15 15:45:41

Regarding your 3% "****ed" assessment. That comes out to roughly 6 million Americans. (3% of 200 million.)

The excess death rate is currently running at 12%, which is about 300,000 excess deaths per year. Side note: the most recent data appears to have a slight uptick in this rate, but we won't know if that holds or is just statistical noise for another month or so.

6 million divided by 300,000 is 20 years for ALL of the "****ed" to die. Of course, all of them won't die, but I think this simple arithmetic is another confirmation that your 3% is in the ballpark. Given that we are 2 years into the vaxxes with no relief in the excess death rate (and if anything, it is increasing), this doesn't bode well for the vaxxed.

"You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end -- which you can never afford to lose -- with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-15 15:46:32


Further out in time the temporal association between jab cardiac damage and the event that comes from it will not be able to be established, but a thud is a thud and cannot be ignored.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Phoenix800 148 posts, incept 2021-09-18
2023-01-15 15:48:53

I've posted previously that I'm a mid 50's unjabbed cyclist and that my jabbed riding buddies all got slower this past season. Group cycling is a competetive endeavor where being first to the top of a hill climb is taken seriously. A hill around here is an all-out effort (zone 4-5) for ten to thirty minutes. Those I ride with are Ironmen, ultra runners, and ex/current road racers.

Previously I was an average rider for my age, finishing in the middle of the pack. This past season the only ones to beat me the top were at least twenty-five years younger. And they didn't beat me by much. Those close to my age were out of sight behind me. This is unprecedented.

I have a power meter on my bike. The data shows that I'm no faster than I was previously.

It's anecdotal evidence but supports the heart damage theory.
Lemonaid 16k posts, incept 2008-01-20
2023-01-15 15:49:14

That 12% excess death rate is specifically working age population covered by life insurance.

"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of a voluntary abandonment of
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-15 15:51:14

Yep @Phoenix800 and reduced output at the top end is the FRIENDLY outcome. That might not kill you, just limit your exercise tolerance.

The BAD outcome occurs if the damage happens anywhere involved in the primary conduction zones, which are what synchronizes the polarization shift in the heart and gives you the rhythmic contraction. If THAT gets ****ed up you're in big trouble, particularly if its in the ventricular area, as vFib very-reliably kills when it happens. AFib you feel but its not immediately lethal most of the time.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Phoenix800 148 posts, incept 2021-09-18
2023-01-15 16:04:03

The BAD outcome occurs if the damage happens anywhere involved in the primary conduction zones, which are what synchronizes the polarization shift in the heart and gives you the rhythmic contraction. If THAT gets ****ed up you're in big trouble, particularly if its in the ventricular area, as vFib very-reliably kills when it happens.

I had a racing buddy die from vFib in an early season race back in the 80's. He was in his early 20's. It's not something I wish to see in my cycling group.
Disgusted 508 posts, incept 2021-07-20
2023-01-15 16:04:20

Bluto, my guess is it will be some form of a bell curve. When it peaks we can't know, but it'll probably be a couple years from now and then a slow slide depending on how many keep taking the ****. We're still in the upside for sure. Hopefully by next football season the Fauci flop will be so common, no one can deny the **** is causing it all and we start to see some real retribution.
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-15 16:05:20

Yep @Disgusted; a gaussian distribution is most-likely. Until we see the excess rate turn downward we're not on the back side of it. I'm not aware of any place where that's happened yet, and the FRED disability data says no in that regard too, which I expect to be linked to the "thud" rate.

The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Shadowmask 4k posts, incept 2021-05-24
2023-01-15 16:58:11

Boobus Americanus Sheepus says, "but I'm fine after muh 5th shot! there's nothing on the news about this.

It's an odd blessing that most are couch potatoes. They won't realize they're in the 3% until the very end. Little suffering that way.

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