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2023-01-04 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Who Cares If They Take THIRTY Votes?
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Seriously, why am I supposed to care?

The damage was done by the outgoing Senate Republicans who could have blocked the Omnibus spending bill which cannot be repealed as the Senate would have to concur and Biden would have to sign it, and he won't.  Therefore the House has no power of the purse until October 1st.  As far as I'm concerned I care not if they accomplish nothing until that day, and that's because they already gave away their own power -- so there is no productive purpose to them being there at all with their so-called "majority" until that bill expires.

That is September 30th.

The only reason to support them convening the House and conducting business is if that is absolutely resolved and cannot happen again.  Therefore the following has to be the set of conditions under which you vote for a Speaker:

  • There are no more omnibus bills or CRs; they are against House Rules.  The budget has to go through regular order and if its not done on time the government shuts down and can spend nothing whatsoever until it is done.  That's the job of the House since all spending bills must originate there.  Either do it or resign.

  • The House Rules are changed so that one business day must pass for each 100 pages of legislative text before a bill may be called for a vote after it is introduced, and the same applies to all amendments.  No exceptions.  If you want to bring a 4,000 page monstrosity to the floor that's fine -- you can't vote on it for 40 business days.

  • All proxy voting and appearance is void; the people's representatives must be present in person.  If you're not there then you can't participate, period, and you also can't count toward a quorum.  You were hired to do a job.  Show up and do it.  This was the rule prior to the pandemic; put it back.

  • Any single member of the majority party may motion for the vacancy of the Speaker's chair.  Yep, one person.  You're a leader, not a king.  Act like one or suffer having to survive votes to vacate.  BTW this was the rule in the House prior to Pelosi's "last stand" so this is in no way "radical."

  • The Speaker commits that it shall be introduced and passed, and no other bill will be considered until this is both passed by the House and Senate, and signed or overridden if vetoed, that all declared "emergencies" from the Executive may extend no more than 72 hours beyond the House and Senate being able to be called into session.  If the emergency is real then it can obtain legislative support via formal law within that time.  If not then it is by definition illegitimate and void.  No more OSHA jab mandates, CDC rent moratoriums and the EPA deciding to declare CO2 a "pollutant" without authorization by actual statute.  Never again.

I think we can debate a few more, but those ought to be five without which I'm perfectly fine without a functional House of Representatives until October 1st.

The nation would be better off if they couldn't do a thing for the next nine months if they won't agree to this.

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Blanca 504 posts, incept 2020-07-25
2023-01-04 07:56:16

Tickerguy wisely observed:
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Therefore the House has no power of the purse until October 1st.
Thus it makes no difference to me, and it shouldn't make any difference to anyone else what happens with the speakership election as the House's primary constitutional authority, to set spending, has been taken away, with the consent of the Republicans in the Senate.

How many times do conservatives have to get screwed before we wake up to this simple fact? NOTHING is ever going to change. I've watched this same tired movie for the last 30 years. There are threats of vetos and Republicans that are going to use their power to do something useful, and it NEVER happens. The profligate spending continues, the wars continue, the medical scams continue, the funded degeneracy continues. There's a tax cut thrown my way, but I still pay more taxes than ever and they are more complicated than ever.

The 5 Republicans who are standing firm on the speakership issue should not cave, because when you shoot at the king and miss, you become a huge target. McCarthy will retaliate.
Pods 47 posts, incept 2019-12-28
2023-01-04 07:56:16

I'm quite happy if they shut down except they make sure to hurt the people most by shutting down access to OUR parks and lands first. Happens every time at our National Seashores. They will sit there (working) and guard locked access gates but won't let you through. Bastards.
Invisiblesun 627 posts, incept 2020-04-08
2023-01-04 07:56:16

And I understand about McCarthy and the Omnibus he said, "this was the last time". Yeah right. Put it in writing, congressman. Then we'll believe you.
Jknick 8 posts, incept 2020-05-11
2023-01-04 07:56:16

Your suggestions make way too much sense. The chances of anything getting done that makes sense is currently zero.
Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-01-04 08:04:16

Just stopped by to read and say good morning to all. Im beyond the point of even being concerned about any of this. Rubicon has been passed a long time ago. Does that make me a bad countryman??

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Onelegged 1k posts, incept 2009-11-13
2023-01-04 08:04:19

Awesome Ticker! 100% agree.

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Greenacr 732 posts, incept 2016-03-15
2023-01-04 08:16:01

Agree with your points 100 percent.

Just Kabuki Theatre. Anytime Congress and/or the Federal Government is either gridlocked or shutdown is a win for the American People.
Ewtnewbie2 241 posts, incept 2021-09-13
2023-01-04 08:40:59

Amen KD and @Blanca!!!

Do it right this time and mean it. Were well past the time the power the Rs have (as minority or majority) gets used to help this country! God bless them, every one!!
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-04 08:41:22

You spelled "damn" wrong @Ewtnewbie2

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Fumei 3k posts, incept 2019-01-08
2023-01-04 08:50:27

The country would be better off if voters peacefully cast their roofing nails on busy roads, rather than waiting for Gordot.
Ndp 125 posts, incept 2021-04-21
2023-01-04 08:50:37

How I wish something like these proposals would be enacted. It's just that though, a wish.

All 435 members of the house were elected to their positions. Many if not most members win by fairly wide margins. Polls typically tell us that people are happy with their district's representative. Yet the House as a whole is almost universally despised.

How can 435 people who are all doing such a bang up job collectively suck so badly? The answer is that they all suck individually as well.

My guy is great. It's all those RINO bastards that are the problem. Here's news for you. They are all RINOS. Some may speak eloquently. Some may be slightly better than others. But in the end we get the exact same result over and over and over...

RINO really is a term that's outlived its usefulness. They are just Republican politicians. They are what they are.
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-04 08:51:30

@Ndp I'm fully ok with an asteroid strike dead-balls in the middle of the Capitol. Nail the rotunda while both are in session at 30,000mph and its all good.

Doesn't even have to be that big -- bus-sized will do just fine but it has to get closer to the ground, so let's make it 100' in diameter.

Fire cleanses filth, and there's a lot of it in that building.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Shadowmask 4k posts, incept 2021-05-24
2023-01-04 08:57:14

Thank goodness everyone voted this time! Things will really change now!

/sarcasm

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Ndp 125 posts, incept 2021-04-21
2023-01-04 09:06:07

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I'm fully ok with an asteroid strike dead-balls in the middle of the Capitol. Nail the rotunda while both are in session at 30,000mph and its all good.


Amen. Couldn't have said it any better. I guess that's why you're the boss.
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-04 09:06:42

BTW if its small enough (100' in diameter certainly is) we'd likely get zero (or close enough to zero) warning before it happened.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Dan_e 113 posts, incept 2009-06-23
2023-01-04 09:18:54

Of course they'll game this by introducing forty 4000 page monstrosities at the same time ;)
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-04 09:19:21

That's fine @Dan_e; they can't vote on any of them for 40 days, and if the Capitol is still standing by then we deserve what we get.

There IS a point beyond which sacking the place is not only justified, its a moral imperative.

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Generalee 123 posts, incept 2011-04-30
2023-01-04 09:26:01

It is time the Repuke party was gutted like a fish. Been voting for them scum since Reagn and NONE of them have done sh* about leading OUR country. How the hell does McCarthy "earn" the gavel? He's from Cali so maybe he is a Pelosi visitor? Get off the damn stage and let a real leader lead.
Tickerguy 192k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2023-01-04 09:30:36

The fault is ours when you get down to it. The process of jockeying for votes is as old as governments, and thus is not something you can "decry." But until the people are willing to force the recall of those who ALLOW events like the Omnibus to take place and demand it be voided, and will accept nothing less (which means you need a veto-proof majority to do it) then I am tired of hearing people complain.

The fact of the matter is that we permit this sort of filth and perversion to go onward. I would not be surprised one bit if there were bound and gagged sexual slaves kept in the steam tunnels, all of them under the age of 12, with at least one for each Congresscritter. I of course do not know that is the case and have no evidence for such but it would not surprise me if it was the case given what we, the people, have allowed DC to descend to.

The responsibility is ours and the simple reality is that no government can impose this sort of shit if the people refuse to put up with it. A national strike for even a week would collapse enough that DC would have to stop it or risk being sacked.

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Metalqueen 241 posts, incept 2021-09-10
2023-01-04 11:04:41

I say we nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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(I could make an argument that is the greatest line from a movie ever)
Eoinw 141 posts, incept 2021-07-14
2023-01-04 11:04:52

This isn't only an American/Republican problem. Political conservatives throughout the western world have not stood up for conservative values in my lifetime.

We can hate liberals and their "values" all we like but at least political liberals have fought for and won liberal values. Yes they turn us into a woke Sodom & Gomorrah society, however they did deliver what their voters wanted. Had conservatives fought as hard it would have been a stalemate. Instead they've caved for decades.

TG is correct: ultimate responsibility falls on conservative voters. People who vote for the Conservative label but never cared enough to demand conservative actions.

I'm sorry to be a cynic but I'm afraid this can no longer be repaired democratically. The system is now so corrupt there is no fixing it. Especially not in the USA where voter fraud is so obvious.

Break up the Union! May the fifty individual states(in other countries states/provinces/counties) find something better for their own citizens.
Kalel666 27 posts, incept 2021-05-05
2023-01-04 11:05:06

In the mid 90's, Massachusetts voters approved 51.6% for term limits for both state and federal offices.

In that same election, Massachusetts voters returned Ted Kennedy for his 5th or 6th term in the Senate.

Voters are indisputably the problem.
Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2023-01-04 11:27:37

Gottdamn I love you Karl!!

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Ihsmta 862 posts, incept 2008-04-10
2023-01-04 11:27:42

Yawn... I'm an unaffiliated voter. The Democrats were dead to me and, more recently, the Republicans.

I do think it was telling that McCarthy moved into the Speaker's office before he had the votes...the very definition of hubris. The look on his face as he sat there being denied the votes warmed my heart. He deserves this public humiliation.

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