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Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-22 12:38:51

True that and of course Carter got the Lion's Share of the blame for it, despite it being NIXON'S policies that were largely responsible.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Metalqueen 203 posts, incept 2021-09-10
2022-11-22 13:13:18

@Tickerguy

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The worst of Reagan was that Hinkley was a shitty shot.


Absolutely. I absolutely despise the CONservative love for "Saint Ronnie". His administration brought, in addition to the aforementioned illegal "amnesty": Federal blackmail on the drinking age, "sobriety" checkpoints (the first building block for "your papers please", including vaxx passes), bloated "defense" budgets (the Soviet Union was brought down by Afghanistan, Chernobyl, and the loss of trust from its populace - the US AT BEST merely sped it up), "De-regulation" (really nothing of the sort) which gave Wall Street a free-for-all for outsourcing, "mergers & acquisitions" (or better put murders & executions), S&L crisis, Iran-Contra - need I go on? smiley

There are a lot of graves I would love to piss on, Reagan's being near head of the line.

Tsherry 11k posts, incept 2008-12-09
2022-11-22 13:14:43

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I dont see how a person making less than 100k a year is making it now.


Welfare, food banks, grants, clothing banks, subsidized or free medical care, obamaphones, free transit, and living in Mom's house.

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This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. - The Hunt for Red October
Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-22 13:16:03

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I dont see how a person making less than 100k a year is making it now.

Oh?

Perhaps you need to recalibrate WHERE you think you should be (much more than "what you should have.")

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Jack_crabb 15k posts, incept 2010-06-25
2022-11-22 13:19:16

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I dont see how a person making less than 100k a year is making it now.


Welfare, food banks, grants, clothing banks, subsidized or free medical care, obamaphones, free transit, and living in Mom's house.


Or just sheer determination and quite a bit of doing without...

And I see ChuckU Schumer is up to his same old fucking tricks. Another fucking piece of shit that I absolutely hate.


Quote:
Oh?

Perhaps you need to recalibrate WHERE you think you should be (much more than "what you should have.")

^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^

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Molon Labe
Where is Henry Bowman when you need him?
How many are willing to pledge this? We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor

Reason: had to comment on TG's post
Forever_young 13 posts, incept 2022-11-22
2022-11-22 13:27:13

I've been following this site for roughly two years now and you will never know just how much I thank you for helping me through the insanity that we've been forced to live under in these Disunited States. Without the resources here I'm sure I'd either be jabbed or jobless.

I know the comments have been focused on the immigration part of this post but I think we need to really drill down the reason why TPTB even say we need it. "Our" "leaders" have done everything they can over the past century to make it as hard as possible to raise a family as we should: a father working, a mother raising.
The technology aspect alone is mind boggling. I've asked how people did my job in anywhere close to the efficiency we do it now. No cell phones, no laptops, if you didn't bring the paperwork on your trip, you were SOL until you got back to the office. There was no answering emails in the hotel at night or taking calls while driving. That has nothing to do with the work ethic of folks now compared to then, just the facts of what technology has done. And have workers seen the fruits of that increased efficiency? Hell no! Their pay doesn't even keep up with inflation. Instead, the "leaders" flooded the market with the other 50% of the population having to create busy-work jobs and watch that increased profit go to do-nothing wastes of office space while they throw that money at day care and pre-school instead of raising kids themselves. And to top it off, we throw in millions of foreigners who work for less (and you get the quality you pay for) to drive down wages even more.

And we wonder why nobody here is raising a family? I live in the midwest so it's not as bad here but of my cousins on the coast, only 1 has had children. His sister talked about having some after she got married in her 40s. Sorry doll, mother nature doesn't give a shit about your desires and she can be quite the bitch.

I could write a book about this post but I better stop here.
Forever_young 13 posts, incept 2022-11-22
2022-11-22 13:28:03

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Oh?

Perhaps you need to recalibrate WHERE you think you should be (much more than "what you should have.")


Amen. I used to think living on the coasts was doable outside the cities but even that is tough these days. If you find small-medium sized cities in the middle of the country, less will take you farther.
I'd need to double (in some cases triple or more) my pay to justify leaving the midwest.

What's more important, a family or access to "great" sushi?
Lenguado 3k posts, incept 2010-01-12
2022-11-22 13:39:14

Idiocracy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy) was a DOCUMENTARY, not a distopian fiction comedy....

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"War is when your government tells you who the enemy is. A revolution is when you figure it out yourself." --Unknown
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevita
Forever_young 13 posts, incept 2022-11-22
2022-11-22 13:51:35

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Why can't we just make do with fewer people??? Yes, we'd have fewer people producing stuff. But we should also have proportionately fewer people consuming stuff.

Are Schumer and his ilk chasing economy-of-scale?


Isn't it funny that these same people who tell us the world is overpopulated and we need to stop having children tell us because we aren't having enough children we need to import workers to make up for that loss?

"An economy based on endless growth is unsustainable"
Whitehat 11k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2022-11-22 14:06:52

Just last night i was looking for this article to post somewhere here at TF, and then Karl posts this. I am not going to post what came to my mind this morning as i read this article but will leave you with something else. This is my and many of my people's and others of common mind with us REASON for not wanting to invest in the future of this culture, have children, work hard, whatever. It has little to do with economics, although we would never deny that such should be considered a major factor overall by the culture.

Here is comes. Why this country sucks in my point of view and that of people like me. Note that it has little to do with money at its core. See the link for references for every point in the list and its associated stories.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/numbe....

Number One? 20 Not So Good Categories That The United States Leads The World In
July 5, 2011 by Michael

Is the United States number one? Many Americans take deep pride in their nation and the truth is that the U.S. has a lot going for it. The United States has the largest economy in the world. The United States also has the most powerful military on the entire planet. The United States has produced most of the greatest movies that the world has ever seen. But the United States is also number one in a lot of categories that are not go great. If we ever want to turn this country around, we need to be very honest with ourselves. We need to take a long, hard look in the mirror and realize that it is not a good thing that we are number one in divorce, drug addiction, debt, obesity, car thefts, murders and total crimes. We have become a slothful, greedy, decadent nation that is exhibiting signs of advanced decay. Until we understand just how bad our problems really are, we wont be able to come up with the solutions that we need.

A lot of people that write articles like this have a deep hatred for America. But that is not the case with me. I love the United States. I love the American people. America is like an aging, bloated rock star that has become addicted to a dozen different drugs. America is a shadow of its former self and it desperately needs to wake up before it plunges into oblivion.

If you do not believe that America is in bad shape, just read the list below. The following are 20 not so good categories that the United States leads the world in.

#1 The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world and the largest total prison population on the entire globe.

#2 According to NationMaster.com, the United States has the highest percentage of obese people in the world.

#3 The United States has the highest divorce rate on the globe by a wide margin.

#4 The United States is tied with the U.K. for the most hours of television watched per person each week.

#5 The United States has the highest rate of illegal drug use on the entire planet.

#6 There are more car thefts in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world by far.

#7 There are more reported rapes in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.

#8 There are more reported murders in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.

#9 There are more total crimes in the United States each year than anywhere else in the world.

#10 The United States also has more police officers than anywhere else in the world.

#11 The United States spends much more on health care as a percentage of GDP than any other nation on the face of the earth.

#12 The United States has more people on pharmaceutical drugs than any other country on the planet.

#13 The percentage of women taking antidepressants in America is higher than in any other country in the world.

#14 Americans have more student loan debt than anyone else in the world.

#15 More pornography is created in the United States than anywhere else on the entire globe. 89 percent is made in the U.S.A. and only 11 percent is made in the rest of the world.

#16 The United States has the largest trade deficit in the world every single year. Between December 2000 and December 2010, the United States ran a total trade deficit of 6.1 trillion dollars with the rest of the world, and the U.S. has had a negative trade balance every single year since 1976.

#17 The United States spends 7 times more on the military than any other nation on the planet does. In fact, U.S. military spending is greater than the military spending of China, Russia, Japan, India, and the rest of NATO combined.

#18 The United States has far more foreign military bases than any other country does.

#19 The United States has the most complicated tax system in the entire world.

#20 The U.S. has accumulated the biggest national debt that the world has ever seen and it is rapidly getting worse. Right now, U.S. government debt is expanding at a rate of $40,000 per second.

So are you convinced that we are in trouble yet?

The truth is that America has changed. Most of us dont even say hello to our neighbors anymore.

In fact, we have become so self-involved that many of us dont even notice when someone around us dies.

Just consider the following two examples.

*USA Today recently reported on the body of a dead woman that was not found for approximately a year even though a whole bunch of people walked right past the car where she died.

Bank contractors, inspectors and even the new owner of a foreclosed home walked past the silver Chevy Nova in the garage numerous times before discovering the former homeowner dead on the front seat.

*In an even more shocking case, the CBS affiliate in Boston recently reported that a dead woman was lying on the bottom of a public pool for two days while large numbers of people swam right over her. How in the world could something like this possibly happen?.

Its a mystery as murky as the water at Veterans Memorial swimming pool in Fall River public pool: how did swimmers, lifeguards, or inspectors not notice a womans body at the bottom of the pool for a few days?

Marie Joseph, 36, was last seen at the pool on Sunday. The pool was open to the public Monday and Tuesday with six lifeguards on duty, and no one noticed the body under 12 feet of water.

Most Americans have become so self-involved that they barely even notice anyone other than their family and close friends.

The love of most Americans is growing cold and when the collapse of the U.S. economy happens it is just going to make things worse. Instead of working as a community, most Americans will only be concerned with making sure that their own needs are taken care of.

The United States was once the most blessed nation on the face of the earth, but now we are literally falling to pieces.

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Lastquagga 20 posts, incept 2022-04-30
2022-11-22 14:08:20

Nixon was indeed to blame, for all kinds of crap we are still living with. IMO, he was probably worse than FDR for the cause of freedom.

Between hiking the Social Security tax, the Clean Air Act Amendments of '70 (which gave us the EPA and them the excuse to call CO2 a "pollutant"), the Endangered Species Act, OSHA (which was arguably fine, but way too much authority was "granted"), closing the gold window, etc., kow-towing to both the Saudis AND the Chinese, SALT (a good idea, but implemented by Kissinger? Are you kidding me?), the implementation of GCA '68 (signed by Johnson, but implemented by Executive Orders by Nixon), etc.

About the only good thing I can think of coming from him was the pullout from Vietnam, a war we had no business being in.

Baltgayveteran 118 posts, incept 2021-09-16
2022-11-22 14:14:58

After watching Tucker Carlson last night I no longer give a shit. Sexual mutilation of children? Sterilization of children? Making sure children NEVER have a normal sex life, and how can they with a fake penis or vagina (those nerves don't just happen)?

Sexualization of children? Drag queen story hour?

LET IT BURN! May the Phoenix rise from the ashes.
Redjack 1k posts, incept 2018-01-29
2022-11-22 14:28:55

WH

In talking with my European coworkers, it is amazing what we take for granted.

Also the disparity is wide in the US. So wide as to be hard for someone in a non Anglo country to follow.

It is sobering to realize just how sick we are.
Shadowmask 4k posts, incept 2021-05-24
2022-11-22 14:29:03

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I dont see how a person making less than 100k a year is making it now.

Are you worried about getting the gold leaf replaced on your roof or what?

Disgusted 468 posts, incept 2021-07-20
2022-11-22 14:40:41

The only thing that's going to stop the invasion now, is when this country is just as big of a shithole as the shithole countries they are coming from; and we are a..l..m..o..s..t there. The insane assholes running this clownworld shitshow are going to finish it off before 2024 from what I can tell.

Wouldn't it be a shame if some of the 5 million that Shitler asked to come, were actually some serious terrorist types? And they are, as we speak; assembling a nasty weapon, and they take it to DC and do what a giant meteor should do? That would just break my fking heart.

Metalqueen, I'm right there with you. I just knew at a young age that corruption would ruin it all, and I didn't want to bring any children on to this earth that would have to deal with what is happening and what will happen even worse in the near future. This sucker is going down and it won't be pretty.
Bzelbob 348 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2022-11-22 14:53:17

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I dont see how a person making less than 100k a year is making it now.

When you have ZERO debt it gets a whole lot easier. smiley

That and living in the right place like TG says!

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"Threats are illogical. And payment is usually expensive." - Sarek of Vulcan
Frat 12k posts, incept 2009-07-15
2022-11-22 15:16:37

Has no one posted the requisite Idiocracy clip...?


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We're fucked. There will be no happy ending here; there is no going back to 'normal.'. There are only bad outcomes and worse outcomes. And we don't get to choose those, either.
Sonoran_monk 1k posts, incept 2021-08-16
2022-11-22 15:27:56

Chuckie wants just one more bite at the apple. The motto of abusers everywhere, "just one more." Let's just get it over with and annex Mexico.

You're right Disgusted, I saw it here in the SW after the 07-08 crash in construction. There was a noticeable decrease in the amount of illegals on the road, in stores, etc. The problem is that while we are declining so are their home countries and we will still be a relative good choice for a while with our lure of free shit and the ability to arbitrage their wages and send relatively large amounts back home to the family.

WH, the article you posted reminded me of this comedy routine.
Sonoran_monk 1k posts, incept 2021-08-16
2022-11-22 15:28:02

Idiocracy should be seen as the utopian version of our stupid future. Despite their problems with agriculture they still have working technology. Our future path will be declining innovations, then we lose the ability to maintain the technology we have now, then we lose the ability to operate the technology that remains.
Kareninca 594 posts, incept 2011-08-23
2022-11-22 15:42:00

" In my view you would have to be out of your mind to want to have a child at this moment in time unless your have (1) a lot of money or (2) a great support network, or preferably both. Parents really need to be close to other relatives who can step in and help out or give advise when needed. The extended family is important."

Metalqueen, that may not be enough. For one thing, there is the umbilical cord study that came out in Cell on Nov. 10th. Okay, we'll assume the mother didn't get the vaccine. But then you also have to assume that the grandparents didn't. I know a gal who is 36 y.o. and one parent died at the start of the pandemic at age 64 (no vaccine; who knows what it was), and her vaccinated father who is in his late 60s just found he has very advanced cancer and only a month to live. She is Italian Catholic American and so has other relatives as well, but so many people are just sick now. People you might think you could rely on to help you with your kid, may not be around in a year or two.

I just saw a neighbor who is in her 40s (surely vaccinated) and she used to be very pretty; she is Asian and so should be aging well, but now she looks like a ghoul. A pretty ghoul, but a ghoul. And recently I saw a couple of guys who until I saw them last year I thought were kind of attractive, and now they look like little old men!!! I didn't even recognize one of them; I wondered who that little old man was (he was certainly vaccinated).

Unless a woman has no way to wait, it really doesn't make sense to have kids now until things become clearer.
Radiosity 1k posts, incept 2009-03-05
2022-11-22 15:45:04

@Whitehat "#15 More pornography is created in the United States than anywhere else on the entire globe. 89 percent is made in the U.S.A. and only 11 percent is made in the rest of the world."

Now take a look at the five biggest producers of 'free' porn. Now see who owns them. Notice anything?
Dan_e 98 posts, incept 2009-06-23
2022-11-22 15:49:12

@Tickerguy "Today the median house price is $428,000 but median household income was $87,864 so you needed not 2.47 years of income but 4.87 years, or approximately twice as many working years to earn the house."

Yes, and what makes that even more of a drop is the fact that as you say in 1970 the women hadn't yet been forced into the workforce. So that median household income is based on more persons having with income as well
Cyben 55 posts, incept 2022-10-21
2022-11-22 16:00:58

Apparently the only logical path out of this is going to be something that isn't quite psychopathy, yet is indistinguishable from it to most current people.

Perhaps call it a sort of unthinking zeal, that has been fortunate enough to have been produced mostly correct, and that is inviolable enough to exclude corruption/adulteration/diversification.

Yes, there are going to be literal heads on spikes. Tolerance of necessary reality is a virtue, yet tolerance of malice and parasitism is a fatal vice.

For those of you saying that having children is generally illogical, I don't disagree, and yet everyone who doesn't do it anyway is going to go extinct. Fertility is an even more fundamental industry than textiles. If that's psychopathy, then psychopaths will inherit the earth.

For some perspective, look back a couple of hundred years in history. Nearly everyone with a continuing family lineage (outside of nobility) would have something like six to thirteen kids, and nearly half of those would die before they made it to adulthood, and about a third of the remainder would die before having children "at replacement level". The remaining two or three kids or so would have roughly the same deal in the families they started.

If that's psychopathy then reality historically favors the psychopathic. "Memento Mori" was a motto to live by for a reason. Yeah you're gonna die any which way, better live hard first.

That is a very harsh by modern standards perspective of what courage really means, taking the only possible survival even if you're pretty sure you're screwed either way and the chance of living is going to hurt for longer.
Nocomment 14 posts, incept 2019-09-04
2022-11-22 16:49:03





How
much time he
gains who does not look
to see what his neighbor says
or does or thinks, but only at what
he does himself, to make it just and holy.
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Cyben 55 posts, incept 2022-10-21
2022-11-22 17:05:38

Yep, today's median household income is predicated on both adults working more often than not, so realistically the single parent income is going to be something more like 45-55k on average.

So, this is a good situation to explain one of the many meanings of "bad money drives out good". Say that you have 10 prospective families looking to buy houses. Once upon a time most of them would have either already saved for it, or have built it themselves during their teens, or be moving into an inheritance. Close to none of them would be looking at loans, and the nearest equivalent would probably be from a relative that trusted them to pay it back or was (regardless)investing in their future basically.

Now, enter the bank loan on the scene. The only people who would go for it at first would be people who were some set of irresponsible, "unlucky", had no successful relatives, didn't plan or save for the future and so on. However, that initially small set of takers now enabled by loans (which are not, in our world, based on the actual bank holdings -- fractional reserve is a misnomer when applied to what we do now) do increase the demand for housing a certain amount. That increase in demand, once it becomes perceptible to the average supplier, causes an increase in prices, and not just for the people taking out loans, but for everyone.

It will then increasingly look like there is more profit to be made in building new houses, so construction will get on that, and their use of more supplies will in turn cause the prices of housing construction supplies to rise a degree.
So, it isn't only the lendee that is paying for a fiat loan, it is also other purchasers in the same market, and supply lines to the production for that market, and so on.

This in turn does two immediately applicable things:
-People who were saving for a home will, more often than not, find that their savings over the projected requisite period are suddenly not quite enough to buy a house as early as they had planned.
-A larger fraction of people will be looking at a bank loan as a viable means of acquiring their first home. e
Even at the slowest, the childden of those early low achiever lendees in the last generation, having effectively cooperated with a bank in order to slightly publicize the cost of their own production, will be inclined to do so again.

You then find that money, produced by fiat to be lent and earn interest (on something that didn't exist prior to being "lent") has by slow and subtle degree charged an interest to the entire society, whether they took out a loan or not. Bad money drives out good. Bad money EATS good if it is permitted to compete in the same markets.

Now, there are periodic booms and busts in markets floated on bad money, like tides from economic moons, but the overall trend is going to be upward. Successively more people will borrow toward acquiring said product, and EVERYONE will pay for that fiat credit, until no one can pay for it. They will not be able to pay for it again until they reject, shun, and bar that bad money from any and all of their society's dealings.

For those people who can't or won't choose to understand this and act on it, and are not already isolated from these effects by some sort of "clean living", the winning long term investment is going to be infestment in their extinction.

It's the same sort of mechanism as trying to compete with slave-labor-by-any-other-name in certain foreign countries with "relaxed" laws. If transport costs from there to here are low enough, local producers cannot compete, and will fold in favor of foreign slave labor out of sight and out of mind.

Tolerance of bad money as if it were good destroys good money. Tolerance of bad people as if they were good kills the good people. Tolerance of bad faith, as if it were good, drives whatever good faith is to be had from the mind.
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