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 The NEW Political Party
Sharps 147 posts, incept 2008-12-15
2022-11-19 12:19:31

Personally, I don't see the republican leaders like McConnel, Trump, Graham and McCarthy bowing out until there is nothing left of the party but smoking ruins. They cannot let go - it is all they know.
Jack_crabb 15k posts, incept 2010-06-25
2022-11-19 12:45:00

Hence, this:

Would there be any way to prevent the same A-holes in the GOP from becoming Federalist?

Yup. Hang the seditious traitors now.

Molon Labe
Where is Henry Bowman when you need him?
How many are willing to pledge this? We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor
Traelin0 533 posts, incept 2021-01-28
2022-11-19 13:05:58

All of this thread sounds great and all until you realize that completely, 100% preventing the ability of government to issue bonds has a serendipitous effect on everything else. It keeps the government small enough to where nobody is interested in buying off politicians who can't do much of anything except setup embassies and mobilize the regulars.

History demonstrates over and over and over again that governments will spend unchecked when allowed to do so, and never pay it back. This is partially what Machiavelli meant when he said that always and everywhere he could tell you the outcome of a republic. Time, technology, and size of the republic don't matter because the passions of Man never change.
Winston2020 441 posts, incept 2020-03-29
2022-11-19 14:03:33

Trump got elected only because he hijacked the GOP machine and, as a result, could not be ignored by the MSM as ALL 3rd party candidates who couldn't fund their own campaigns have been.

Short of a billionaire 3rd party candidate who will do what Perot did, but even more successfully, 3rd parties will only serve as spoilers for one of the two halves of the UniParty. That's why you occasionally see the MSM even interviewing Libertarian Party candidates like dipshit Gary Johnson - they hoped to draw votes away from the Republican candidate.

3rd parties threaten the established oligarchy and the actions by established power centers against any candidate truly wanting to address the corrupt status quo have been and always will be successful. Why? Because we live in a political idiocracy where the vast majority don't pay even remotely enough attention to important, and unfortunately, complex issues or analyze them through a critical thought and analysis process, a learned skill most of them probably don't possess anyway.

Literally trillions of dollars are at stake in the corrupt status quo and I think the only situation where a true political reformation has even the slightest chance of succeeding is during an economic collapse/severe economic depression.
Tivertonian 22 posts, incept 2020-05-17
2022-11-19 17:13:07

Sorry Karl, your party is finished before it gets off the ground.

It's not about what you or I want, it's about them having the numbers and what they want.

In a word, they're selfish. The platform you wrote puts them to sleep.

They want first and foremost, free shit. That above everything else. That's how they've been raised and trained. Anything they want, they see as a right. Anything they don't want, they see as needing to be banned. Climate, national health care, and social justice are codewords for redistribution of income and free shit. They believe in majority rule, not the tyranny of the majority.

This was called "entitled" a few decades ago. The words have changed, but not the principle.

They will do the same thing to any candidate that becomes a republican presidential contender that they did to Trump. BTW, they also made a movie called Death of a President (2006), a fantasy about assasinating George W. Bush. Anyone who thinks Trump is a one-off and that the next person representing Republicans will not get the same treatment from the DNC is fooling themselves. That applies to "Federalists" also, or anyone else standing in the way of their plans for top-down,iron-fisted, soviet-style rule.
Tivertonian 22 posts, incept 2020-05-17
2022-11-19 17:13:46

Let me add who said it over 200 years ago...

John Adams, Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States

Works 6:8--9

Suppose a nation, rich and poor, high and low, ten millions in number, all assembled together; not more than one or two millions will have lands, houses, or any personal property; if we take into the account the women and children, or even if we leave them out of the question, a great majority of every nation is wholly destitute of property, except a small quantity of clothes, and a few trifles of other movables. Would Mr. Nedham be responsible that, if all were to be decided by a vote of the majority, the eight or nine millions who have no property, would not think of usurping over the rights of the one or two millions who have? Property is surely a right of mankind as really as liberty. Perhaps, at first, prejudice, habit, shame or fear, principle or religion, would restrain the poor from attacking the rich, and the idle from usurping on the industrious; but the time would not be long before courage and enterprise would come, and pretexts be invented by degrees, to countenance the majority in dividing all the property among them, or at least, in sharing it equally with its present possessors. Debts would be abolished first; taxes laid heavy on the rich, and not at all on the others; and at last a downright equal division of every thing be demanded, and voted. What would be the consequence of this? The idle, the vicious, the intemperate, would rush into the utmost extravagance of debauchery, sell and spend all their share, and then demand a new division of those who purchased from them. The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If "Thou shalt not covet," and "Thou shalt not steal," were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society, before it can be civilized or made free.

The Founders' Constitution
Volume 1, Chapter 16, Document 15
The University of Chicago Press

The Works of John Adams. Edited by Charles Francis Adams. 10 vols. Boston: Little, Brown & Co., 1850--56. See also: Butterfield; Cappon; Warren-Adams Letters
Bakerv 1k posts, incept 2021-04-21
2022-11-19 17:14:44

The only way this new party thing works is if you have a group of guys who dress up in awesome uniforms and go around with the sole purpose of cracking skulls at the behest of the leaders of the new party.

Not saying that's a bad thing or that I can think of a time it's ever been tried before. Perhaps we should give it a go.

Traelin0 533 posts, incept 2021-01-28
2022-11-19 19:35:19

I believe @Winston2020 is correct in that the change that is both necessary and welcome will not come before an economic collapse. And by collapse I mean loss of reserve currency status. There's a reason these globalist maroons are pushing CBDCs. It's the Western elites' last gasp for holding onto power. Wee problem for them is the fact that Russia, China, and OPEC are in the way. So basically 60% of the world population.

Good luck, globalists!
Ee4fire 755 posts, incept 2011-03-24
2022-11-19 21:05:27


Would a Republican who stands in the well of the House of Reps and makes this speech be welcome?

I wasn't sure if you saw this from Rep. Schweikert of AZ. Wish he was my congressman.

(Politicians), 536 commoditized temple monkeys pawing through the ruins of America in search of bribes. (The District of Corruption) works like a vending machine. You put coins in the slot, select yo
Flamberge 25 posts, incept 2011-07-01
2022-11-20 16:13:51

I am in.

I have a sentimental fondness for "voting" and "elections", but as those systems appear to be hopelessly compromised, I expect we will be required to do this the hard way.

The "elites" are bleeding out the current system at too great a rate for it to survive. One way or another, they will force the change and be swept away. I have no good idea what comes afterwards. The people who show up will determine what that may be.

Let's be those people.

Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time...
Pauperbear 1k posts, incept 2008-01-22
2022-11-21 15:06:56

If the "party" is filled with folks who will not respect outcomes they don't agree with, even after any procedural changes to voting security are made, then the "party" is useless. Disagreeing over policy is NOT tantamount to seditious treason as some here believe. Additionally, everyone seems to be in favor of 1A but against "lobbying". Can't have it both ways. "....the right to petition the government for redress of grievances" Sound familiar?

The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
Winston Churchill
Jack_crabb 15k posts, incept 2010-06-25
2022-11-21 17:09:59

Professional lobbyists and professional politicians both belong in the same hellhole.

Molon Labe
Where is Henry Bowman when you need him?
How many are willing to pledge this? We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor
Ckaminski 6k posts, incept 2011-04-08
2022-11-21 19:12:57

Senators go back to being elected by state legislatures.

The House is elected by random selection, Ala jury duty.

Treat all job issues like military active duty service, and most economic objections are addressed.

Poer 3k posts, incept 2008-09-28
2022-11-21 22:33:13

Great Ticker
It needs to be done because what we have now is just a uni party doing the march of Tyranny.

"The degree to which a man substitutes the judgment of others for his own, failing to look at reality directly, is the degree to which his mental processes are alienated from reality." Nathaniel Bran
Mannfm11 8k posts, incept 2009-02-28
2022-11-24 06:25:26

How about blowing up the entire shitshow. This guy is getting a little carried away, but he did manage to coerce the AZ legisature into allowing the Maricopa audit last year. I had followed some layman, battle the administrator law years ago and it seemed the cases that worked were filed ex parte.

In this video, Dave reads from Locke's Double Treaties. What dissolves a government? When they violate the charter. It isn't just whether what they are going to do that violates the charter. It is what they are already doing. Dave is speaking the language that the people have the power. 3% of us could probably burn the entire shit show down, without firing a shot, with the right barrage of paperwork. Does Biden or Congress have the authority to indebt us to give $1 trillion on some climate scam reparation? Cede power to a foreign power? These are violations of the chater and they have in essence dissolved themselves. Lawyers buried the common law, which are the rights and remedies common to all of us. The people, not the government or the machine companies own the elections and the legislatures as well. Time we wake up to it. Note this black guy got an audit in AZ. Not one politician with teams of lawyers has won even standing, in a court of law.

The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
Mgladius 1 posts, incept 2022-11-27
2022-11-28 17:05:32

What about the American Solidarity Party ( Would they be a good Free Soilers equivalent?
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