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 The NEW Political Party
3dogs 255 posts, incept 2018-12-25
2022-11-18 10:31:31

I can here it now.

Will I still get my FREE phone?

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I don't care if it hurts! I only care if you can't feel it!
Chromehill 882 posts, incept 2010-03-03
2022-11-18 10:31:34

Great start. I would add to the immigration mess:

1. e-Verify is required for all employment determinations.
2. A baby born in the USA is only granted citizenship if the mother/father is in the country legally and on a path to citizenship. For example, a baby born to a diplomat in the USA is not granted citizenship, why should an illegal be granted citizenship?

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'Power, like the reproductive muscle, longs to be exercised, often without judgement or right' - Gerry Spence
Mjc1960 344 posts, incept 2015-02-28
2022-11-18 10:34:59

The biggest obstacle will be resisting being subsumed by the GOP.
That's the two party playbook.
Any movement that gains traction becomes absorbed by one party or the other with false promises, then the members are bribed and compromised.
Movement loses steam.

I don't think we can vote our way out of the fascist oligarchy.
The majority of people are too self involved or stupid.
Too many immigrants with no experience with what once made the country a place people flocked to.

Trump seemed to run on many of these issues then proceeded to disappoint.
The G20 still pushes for health passports.
The FED wants to roll out digital currency.
Flappingeagle 4k posts, incept 2011-04-14
2022-11-18 10:35:24

Some initial thoughts in addition to: I like it.

Quote:
nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


That really needs some attention. The "life, liberty" part is enough to justify making abortion a state-by-state issue at a minimum. To me, it is enough to make it a personal issue.

"Property" is enough to end Civil Asset Forfeiture i.e. government theft.

"nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation" so end that horrible Kelo decision.

Be the party of Life, Liberty, and Property. Explain to people how if you don't have all three, you don't have any.

I think I like Federal Party better, that way you can call yourselves Federalists.

"The Federal Government has no right to mandate the bodily invasion of a person who is a citizen and present in the United States." What about:
The Federal Government has no authority to mandate or encourage the bodily invasion of a person who is a citizen and present in of the United States. Otherwise you can get the government conspiring with another country to do things off-shore.




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Here are my predictions for everyone to see:
S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
No sign that housing, equities, or farmland are in a bubble- Yellen 11/14/13
Trying to leave
Ingar 426 posts, incept 2017-02-14
2022-11-18 10:38:27

Our current system in Washington,AC/DC has been established through the conscientious efforts of professional politicians to create a tax, spend, and kickback scheme that rewards all involved at the expense of the hapless taxpayer. They are like ticks on a dog and it will be difficult to remove them from the host. Should one of the parties be destroyed by the creation of a new party as outlined in this plan, the party hacks would abandon ship and attempt to take control of the new party.

Both parties should be destroyed and the sooner, the better.
Tappedout 189 posts, incept 2020-09-21
2022-11-18 10:49:56

Your words are strong and true.

Alas, if there was ever an appropriate usage of the term "You can't get there from here"it is here and now.

Your blueprint is a excellent synopsis of where we will start to rebuild, if by some miraculous chance we are given or take the opportunity. I printed it out and tacked into my wall, it's so good.

It would be a wondrously beautiful bird to behold. But like the Phoenix, it would be born of fire.
Charles.haddock 8 posts, incept 2022-11-02
2022-11-18 11:33:39

The Trump years had the populist end of GOP voters imagining that they could change the party from within, and at that time the major issue was immigration. Well, the donor class that writes the GOP establishment's checks obviously did all they could to subvert that, and they pivoted back to their old culture war wedge issues. This trickery is going to happen literally every single time with the GOP. The same exact thing happened with the previous reform movement, the Tea Party, which began as a revolt against the excesses at the federal level. The GOP was very happy to be what they were circa 2012, a party that can't win national elections (ahem, McCain, Romney).

A Federalist party is exactly what's needed at this point. Devolving most of the functions of government back to the states and the forcible shrinking of the federal bureaucracy ought to be long term goals. I only went to vote this year for local people, and even then I felt dirty taking part in the process because it's hard to view the GOP as the lesser of two evils in light of all they did in the past 2-3 years. The lockdowns and helicopter money were bad enough, but Warp Speed and the mandates were absolutely the last straw for me as far as Trump and GOP governors who supported that were concerned. And we already saw what kind of terrible personnel and economic decisions Trump made even before COVID-19 appeared.
Chemman 300 posts, incept 2021-05-03
2022-11-18 11:34:09

I would posit that in case of emergencies that Congress can convene within 24 hours. There is plenty of on-line meeting platforms that would allow them to immediately get into contact with each other. If they want to insist on their archaic rule we must meet in person then the the government can dispatch their fleet of military business jets to a major airport in each state and the congress critter has 12 hours to get to that airport after notification.
Imustbenutz 343 posts, incept 2010-11-04
2022-11-18 11:34:22

I'm all in favor of starting a new party but considering the ballot access laws across the nation one will quickly learn that it is neigh on impossible to get a candidate on the ballot.
Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-18 11:34:39

No it isn't.

Been there done that.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Mrbobo 61 posts, incept 2021-12-01
2022-11-18 12:10:58

The whigs? How long ago was and how long did the reform party last?
Burya_rubenstein 2k posts, incept 2007-08-08
2022-11-18 12:46:08

Quote:
I think this is a great start. One thing I think we should add is an inflation target as a party.

Yeah. ZERO.

No, screw even that. NEGATIVE 99.999995 percent. Let having a buck MEAN something again!
Phils 164 posts, incept 2018-02-07
2022-11-18 12:46:13

The timing is excellent for a political revision. The Fourth Turning is on it's way.

Both political parties have damaged the financial, economic systems to the point that many people will be damaged or broken to achieve a system repair.

Nationwide, 40% of registered voters are Independent.

The covid-19 and vaccines are causing some groups such as military, airline pilots to be 100 per cent pissed off.

By next spring 200 percent of citizens will be major pissed off. (I'm pissed off enough for at least two people right now!)

The Force is with us.
Twainfan2 1k posts, incept 2018-12-04
2022-11-18 12:46:56

@Chromehill make it 1 parent must be a US citizen at the time of birth. Otherwise you end up with the same birthright mess we have now.
Jack_crabb 15k posts, incept 2010-06-25
2022-11-18 12:47:08

Quote:
Would there be any way to prevent the same A-holes in the GOP from becoming Federalist?


Yup. Hang the seditious traitors now.

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Molon Labe
Where is Henry Bowman when you need him?
How many are willing to pledge this? We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor
Nocomment 14 posts, incept 2019-09-04
2022-11-18 12:47:25



Anger
supplies arms.
Virgil, Aeneid

Anger
supplies quotations.
Anon.



Happyapricot 117 posts, incept 2019-07-06
2022-11-18 12:47:41

My sense is that our vote is rigged in the big cities. I don't see anybody winning office from any party that the establishment does not want.
Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-18 12:48:06

If you actually believe that and you're not shooting, then you're a coward.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Elborbah 1 posts, incept 2022-09-19
2022-11-18 13:04:55

Very good,

Just like your your assertion that the first amendment means what it says, we an just repeat with every other amendment, especially the 2nd, 4th and 9th.
Traelin0 533 posts, incept 2021-01-28
2022-11-18 15:35:45

I'm firmly unconvinced that our system of government works anymore for the current citizenry. It really is for a moral people. That being said, these are some of the very basic requirements for me to even consider voting again.

1. Head of household votes. There's no way to realistically tell net consumers that they can't vote. Or women. Or <insert group you don't like here>. However, you can mitigate the damage in much the same way the Athenians did.

2. Term limits for every branch of government. I have the details I'd need, but for brevity's sake I'll forego them for the time being.

3. Repeal the 17th Amendment.

4. Due to 3. above, every 20 years a Convention of States is mandatory.

5. Prohibition of the emission of bills of credit. No more government debt.

6. A bill shall be focused narrowly on its requisite issue to resolve.

7. Coupled with 6. above, some judicial body makes a "first cut" analysis of a bill's Constitutionality before it's even brought to the floor for a vote.

There are more, but the above is a good start.
Traelin0 533 posts, incept 2021-01-28
2022-11-18 15:36:42

@Cyben no, the Federalist Party was separate and distinct from the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers. Those were political dissertations related to the topic of strong vs. weak central government. The Federalist Party and the proceeding counterbalance, the Demo-Reps, did indeed have some folks of the same persuasions line up the same way at the end of the day.

Demo-Reps were mostly anti-federalists, true. For the most part they were born out of the reaction to the Alien and Sedition Acts and how POTUS and VPOTUS were elected at that time, among other things.

The Federalists were mostly federalists, also true. But GEN Washington was non-partisan for the most part and even in his farewell address he told both sides to STFU and stop the BS.
Jw. 587 posts, incept 2019-10-10
2022-11-18 15:38:01

The elections were not stolen. You might say they were stolen but you don't believe it if you're lining up to vote again and not out there cracking skulls. If the vote was stolen twice it means that everything that is significant and just about our governing system is now invalidated. Same thing applies if you believe the government is truly trying to kill you by mandating the vax. You don't turn around and vote for the very people/party who supported the lockdowns and vax mandates, why are you're voting for the party you claim is trying to kill you?? Stockholm Syndrome is alive and real in 2022 on both sides of the aisle.



A new party would likely be quite the shit show.

Would be very interesting to see how the Uni-Party reacts. We just might see some real partisan politics in action. I would imagine both Dems and Repubs would pull out all the stops to make sure their stranglehold on power and corruption remains. It would not surprise me if both parties voted to not allow a new party, we would finally see the tyrants in DC for who they really are.

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The spending must continue, until it can't.
Jfenello 52 posts, incept 2010-01-19
2022-11-18 15:38:32

I've often thought the name for such a party should be the "anti-republicrat" party :-)

(Similar to the anti-masonic party from our history)

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Jay Fenello
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Whitehat 11k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2022-11-18 15:38:46

When does the Federation Party get labeled a Domestic Violent Extremism (DVE) group by Homeland Security?

They have such a category of interest.


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smiley Je souhaite

Quod tu es, ego fui, quod ego sum, tu eris
Nocomment 14 posts, incept 2019-09-04
2022-11-18 15:38:51



I do think that I am not wrong.


Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. . . . We here highly resolve that the dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom; and that government of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln


Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. . . . We here highly resolve that the dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom; and that government of the people, by the INFJ,INFP,ENFP,ENFJ people, and for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Abraham Lincoln (adjusted)


Looking forward,
if you try the same old, same old,
you will try and fail to cope with the future.


Because,
the second, third,
fourth, fifth, sixth, echelons,
will be inadequate to the necessary tasks.


If ol' Abe could see
the present he would probably
agree with me, after thinking about it
for a few years.


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