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 The Republicans Shot Themselves In The Head -- Twice
Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-15 09:32:08

Well I don't know if the "beta" thing is necessarily the link @Djsnola; were I in a solid marriage at 30 years old and having kids with my wife the threat to force us to bear a severely-deformed fetus would be enough for me to make sure I NEVER voted for any of the party doing that ever again.

The reason is obvious: Its a demand to financially destroy my family INCLUDING THE EXISTING CHILDREN over something that NEITHER of us did; it was just shitty luck and we already have to deal with losing that child no matter what we do. Now you want to fuck both us AND OUR OTHER CHILDREN?

Fuck that, fuck you, I'd kill over that and I'm not "beta" anything.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Mikebrandt 54 posts, incept 2018-03-23
2022-11-15 09:37:14

@Samiam
An increase in cardiac amyloidosis should noticeable with echocardiograms alone. In my career of 10,000+ echoes I've only seen it a handful of times.

Not that it couldn't go undetected, but it's fairly clear in the image -the myocardium sparkles like sand- and it presents differently in the contraction of the heart than heart failure - it's more stiff than weak.

There's a shortage of echo techs. In my area scheduled tests are delayed by 33 weeks -which is absurd. I've been offered upwards of $100 an hour to come out of retirement, tempting, but not tempting enough.

If I wanted to tinfoil hat, maybe "they" are trying to delay this information from coming to light.
Djsnola 320 posts, incept 2009-03-16
2022-11-15 09:43:28

One final comment from me before heading to work is that the debates we are having on this board tells me the abortion issue has a death grip on the republican party. Honest good people can have opinions on the topic that differ from mine but whats not up for a debate is that your opinion is smothering the party and effectively killing it. Regardless of intentions, not seeing the electoral suicide this is sowing for the party is simple ignorance at this point going forward. This election is a disaster for republicans and this is supposed to be a gimmie based on past cycles. Wait until the cycle lines back up for Dems and you will see the real damage there if you cant see it now. The Mayors election in Los Angeles is basically what the future will look like since one party seems determined to exterminate itself. Former republicans just running as dems against old school dems and the abortion issue is off the table because the former Repub doesnt have to cater to that radical base.
Hobbled 222 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-11-15 10:09:10

TG - I am in agreement with you. Politics is not God's agenda never will be. So I concur with zero argument. This is a heart issue that politics cannot solve no matter party affiliation.

I was thinking more philosophy wise the question of the fairer sex being in love with death when it is they who are considered the nurture focus for life. We look to our moms and wives for the more emotionally charged issues, when we want to vent they can help center us.

It is cool, overcast and misty so my mood is darker than normal. But also consider death is coming regardless of abortion issue. The uniparty will crank up the money printing, corruption is in the open and noone goes to jail, get sick go broke cuz the medical monopoly is a juggernaut noone will stop with existing laws, we have a senile fool going to start WW3 either economically or in physical form, food shortages, being bumped to the dark ages over energy policy. Our elites think they have a mandate and all I see is an ill wind blowing. I am in a mood today but my secular self sees nothing but pain and suffering. But my faith sees hope, not in this world but in Christ. Forget politics, I will focus elsewhere- as I always should.

Thanks so much for a place to come with reason and truth in this arena.
Djsnola 320 posts, incept 2009-03-16
2022-11-15 10:09:38

Karl I dont disagree with anything you said. I just think there are a certain segment of the population that thinks the abortion issue doesnt bother men too and I think thats wrong. Men have a stake in this too as you just pointed out.
Gingersmom2009 103 posts, incept 2021-04-15
2022-11-15 10:48:47

@Kikknback

Bravo. You absolutely nailed it. On page 5, in case anyone's curious.

In the days immediately following the 2020 election, an interesting link to an obscure corner of PA.gov was posted at one of the blogs I follow. Clicking the link opened up the PA voting rolls -- no names, just birthdates and county of residence, with all the information about their mail-in ballot.

There was page after page, thousands of people, with birthdates between 1900 and 1920. With the exact date that their mail-in ballot was requested, sent, received and tallied. Some with a 24 hour turnaround. Needless to say, the link was soon put behind a password.

THIS is the problem. So, is THIS what everyone advises the Republican Party to engage in?




Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-11-15 11:03:53

There are three issues first and foremost in my mind these days.

1) Medical freedom. This includes being able to buy with out restriction any compound or supplement whatsoever. No vaccine mandates ever and retribution for all those who pushed the entire covid-19 debacle. I am a DIY life extensionist. Since I cannot count on the medical establishment to delivery for me, I must do it myself. Implementing Karl's health care reform proposal is necessary as well.

2) Prevention of the roll out of central bank digital currencies. I consider these to be a grave threat to liberty in general.

3) Ending the climate change scam once and for all.

Not only did the republicans not run on any of these things. They didn't even talk about them at all. Instead, they used to overturn of Roe to push abortion bans instead. Talk about tone deaf, not to mention alienating 50% of the voters in this country. Throw into the mix Lindsey Graham pushing for a nation-wide abortion ban. He knew this had precisely zero chance of passing. What the hell was he thinking? What the hell is wrong with him? Ever since Reagan left office, the GOP had been the most self-neutralizing idiocy I have ever seen. What the hell is wrong with these people?

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Its all in the mitochondria
Gingersmom2009 103 posts, incept 2021-04-15
2022-11-15 13:32:14

And regarding abortion - all the stats, over decades, indicate that the overwhelming majority (as in close to 99%) of abortions are elective. Nothing to do with rape, incest, birth defect or the mother's life being in danger. Who exactly does NOT find that abhorrent?

The decision regarding abortion availability has been given back to the states, where it should be. So it's now slightly more inconvenient for the women that worship at that altar to be accommodated.



Patentleathershoes 10k posts, incept 2007-09-13
2022-11-15 13:32:31

You know that I am pro-life but what the F was Lindsay Graham thinking?

I think someone has the goods on him.

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"An unborn child's property rights are protected by law. His right to life is not." Ronald Reagan
Kokobeware 412 posts, incept 2010-05-04
2022-11-15 13:32:37

@Ginger ... clean up the voter rolls and this won't happen. The Republicans can do that and, from what I've read, they have locally in certain areas of the country and it's had a positive impact. But, they have TO DO IT rather than just sit back, complain, and take it up the arse.
Boredfree 939 posts, incept 2021-09-15
2022-11-15 13:32:41

As politics has become more radicalized, the left side of the equation comes out ahead.

The major mental differences between the two political umbrellas is true conservatives desire either no change, or slow, thoughtful change. Liberals want it all now, damn the torpedoes, full change ahead!

Conservatives are more fractured every election cycle as our core principles of limiting government overreach and fiscal responsibility morphed into more God, more rules, more spending.....

Since the mid Eighties conservatives have tried to sell their public on the idea conservatives are for God, apple pie, Mom and country. At the Federal level, they have done the complete opposite; unnecessary (yet profitable) wars, restricting or eliminating personal freedoms, voting to spend monies we don't have on projects which they personally profit from.

What bores me is the constant cheerleadering for these stupid policies by the very people most hurt by them.

I should put together a little photo essay on local trump supporters - the folks who have abnormal number of trump flags and billboard-sized professionally produced pro trump ads up on property which would make a methhead's eyes shine. Trashy properties with shit everywhere. And not good shit, but trailers full of household trash undelivered to the dump for a year or two that our windstorms scatter across the landscape.

People living in hovels blanketed in ratty tarps trying to keep weather out and surrounded by old cars, derelict mobile homes and construction waste. Much of which could be utilized to fashion a better living space, yet just rots in the yard a little more every year.

They could use their fucking plywood trump signs to build better roofs fur gawds sake!

If you're an upper middle class trump supporter and you drove past these 'homes' you'd cringe. How are these signs possible on properties where the denizens can't/won't properly shelter themselves? I'm not being a snob, I have a growing collection of stuff around my shop for future projects.

There are people you just know you don't want to associate with, and poor white trash is on that list.

Trump has done exactly what he was supposed to: break an already cracked Republican party. Hoorah!

Who remembers Michael Huffington? You probably remember his cunt, I mean wife, Arianna of Huffpost fame.

Elected 1992 to house of representatives after spending a record 5.4 million (95 percent from his personal cash).

His campaign dramatically changed the political landscape by doing the unthinkable, buying his political seat. Pretty cheap too.

Politics was already skiing down this black diamond slope, but the Huffington duo really did a one-two punch politically to America.

Michael's obvious paying for his seat, and Arianna's politically impactful website both helped throw more poison in already fouled conservative's well.

Debt is slavery. The political class will never be allowed to release the public from these chains. Hoorah!



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The problem is most people want to point a finger rather than their thumb when dealing with challenges.
Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-15 13:35:03

@Gingersmom2009 -
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And regarding abortion - all the stats, over decades, indicate that the overwhelming majority (as in close to 99%) of abortions are elective. Nothing to do with rape, incest, birth defect or the mother's life being in danger.

Which is ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT if you are the woman who either (1) is raped or (2) has a non-viable fetus in your womb that will financially destroy you if it is not removed before birth.

That nearly all of the time that's not the circumstance makes no difference until and unless you cover those people who find themselves in that situation, and you do it in such a way that ZERO of them will get fucked AND THEY BELIEVE YOU.

Until and unless you and everyone shuts the FUCK UP about "abortion is murder" you will NEVER convince anyone you mean it. Murder is a word with VERY SPECIFIC meaning so if that's not what you mean then STOP USING IT and START hitting everyone over the head who IS using it.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Burya_rubenstein 2k posts, incept 2007-08-08
2022-11-15 13:49:54

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If "my body my choice" was it for them ans I am conceding that how does that comport with the lockdowns and the rabid Karen (rofl - br) position on forced vaccines?

It doesn't. Just more disregarding of the Goose and Gander Principle.

If you're anti-abortion, you deserve to be Fauci's personal pin-cushion. If you're pro-forced-jab, you deserve a forced pregnancy and having the baby through your dick.
Gingersmom2009 103 posts, incept 2021-04-15
2022-11-15 14:31:58

@Kokobeware

It doesn't appear to happen, right now, in the red states that have "clean" elections. And I don't just mean Florida. How, in a blue-run state, with the overt lawlessness, is this supposed to be accomplished? The entrenched won't allow it to happen.

These people are literally crazy. There was a centrist democrat running in PA, and they still manufactured a win to install the dark side guy.
Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-15 14:32:26

Again, you can only cheat if its close.

The job of a politician is to make sure it isn't.

It is the incessant shaving of things so you only have to win ONE VOTE that is the problem at its core. Both parties do it.

It's STUPID and yet not even the Libertarians, who have no prayer in Hell of playing that game and winning, DO IT ANYWAY! I know because I tired to break them of that habit as an EC member in Florida -- and got exactly NOWHERE doing so.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

K5555 113 posts, incept 2021-04-18
2022-11-15 14:34:18

That was a single issue vote for practically every female of my acquaintance whose view was known to me, even if they voted for Trump last time, and even if there was zero chance of them ever actually needing an abortion in the future. Good job, team R.

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Fight like you are the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark and it is starting to rain.
Gingersmom2009 103 posts, incept 2021-04-15
2022-11-15 14:34:25

That "difference between kill and murder" quote is particularly apt when applied to abortion.
Evilcecil 176 posts, incept 2021-09-13
2022-11-15 14:37:44

Thanks TG, I needed this ticker to knock some sense into me.
Don't know where this country goes from here but I'm not looking forward to the ride.
smiley

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Just doin' the best I can.
Gingersmom2009 103 posts, incept 2021-04-15
2022-11-15 15:53:16

You don't need ridiculously large ballot dumps at 3 AM, creating the graph everyone is familiar with, if it's close. You don't need to drag an election out and cheat for a week if it's close. You don't need to grab suitcases full of ballots and run them through the counter multiple times, for the cctv cameras, if it's close.

The cheating states cheat. In your face, and without consequence. Until this is rectified, by whatever means, we're not voting our way out of it.

With regard to the abortion 1%, I imagine that these are the cases that actually ARE decisions made between a woman, her family, and her doctor. I have yet to see or read about a case where the procedure was denied for one of the reasons I cited. If those cases were out there they'd be front and center.

Most people, confronted with the grisly reality of it, recoil at the idea of late-term abortion. Couples who post their ultrasound images on FB never refer to those images as "welcoming our fetus". That medicinal, alien term is only applied to the unfortunate unwanted. The states trying to regulate, as opposed to ban, are simply trying to deal with the late-term (viable baby) problem.

It was the left who ridiculed Sarah Palin for keeping her Down syndrome child. Nothing has changed.

Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-11-15 15:53:30

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It's STUPID and yet not even the Libertarians, who have no prayer in Hell of playing that game and winning, DO IT ANYWAY! I know because I tired to break them of that habit as an EC member in Florida -- and got exactly NOWHERE doing so.


I had a friend who tried knocking some sense into the libertarian party in Tucson, AZ in the early 90's. Needless to say, he was not successful either.


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Its all in the mitochondria
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-11-15 15:53:45

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That was a single issue vote for practically every female of my acquaintance whose view was known to me, even if they voted for Trump last time, and even if there was zero chance of them ever actually needing an abortion in the future. Good job, team R.


Same here. I guess this is why the Republican party is often referred to as the stupid party.

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Its all in the mitochondria
Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-15 15:59:03

@Gingersmom2009 -
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With regard to the abortion 1%, I imagine that these are the cases that actually ARE decisions made between a woman, her family, and her doctor. I have yet to see or read about a case where the procedure was denied for one of the reasons I cited. If those cases were out there they'd be front and center.

Just a couple months before the election the woman in Louisiana with a fetus that had no higher cerebral function (the fetus' brain was MISSING) was denied an abortion in Louisiana due to their "trigger" law and had to go to NY to have the procedure performed.

You've yet to see or read about such a case? That's because you deliberately didn't look; it was in the press a couple months prior to the election.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022....

This was not the only case post-Dobbs, and that article cites a couple more, neither of which was a matter of someone trying to use abortion as birth control.

It only takes ONE such instance for women to CORRECTLY conclude that if they are raped or wind up with such a circumstance themselves through no fault of their own the GOP is demanding they have that baby.

If you want to keep losing elections let the assholes in the GOP continue to do this. If not then this MUST be stopped by whatever means are necessary to do so.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Village-idjit 1k posts, incept 2010-06-09
2022-11-15 16:45:58

If the Republican Party cannot defend the life of an unborn baby in it's mothers womb, then I want no part of it. I would hope that a pro-life position will always be a core value of that party. But be smart in that defense.

It is said that "perfection" is the enemy of "good, and very good." Since I believe that to be true, allowing abortion for rape and incest (a very small percentage of pregnancies) and in all cases where the life of the mother is threatened makes sense. I would rather a state save 98% of the unborn lives, compared to the state of California where it is a now a constitutional guarantee that abortions are legal all the way up till birth.
Village-idjit 1k posts, incept 2010-06-09
2022-11-15 17:04:57

Oh... and one other thought on the reasons for the election results... Here in SW Montana, I know of groups of "conservatives" who were disgusted with the National Republican leadership, and other groups who thought our local Montana reps and U S Senate candidates were not "far right" enough and just stayed home and did not vote at all. Hell, look at the Montana race for United States Senator... Ryan Zinke BARELY beat a Radical pro abortion pro illegals pro transgender woman... 49.7% to 46.4% with the Libertarian candidate siphoning away some Republican votes. But pretty much THREE PERCENTAGE POINTS in one of the most conservative states in the Union!
Gingersmom2009 103 posts, incept 2021-04-15
2022-11-15 17:05:09

Abortion until 20 weeks, or in cases where the pregnancy is medically futile is legal in Georgia. So I don't understand the need for this woman to travel to NY. I admit that it is less available/more inconvenient in the South. It is what it is.

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