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 The Republicans Shot Themselves In The Head -- Twice
Hobbled 222 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-11-14 14:13:42

@Stephanie - I am not going to be argumentative and am in no position to debate with you as every location and every church is different. I am also not necessarily disagreeing with you either but I have thought about this a lot regarding Christian Charity and compassion. Christians take a rap for this as you state but It is a double sided card. Here are some thoughts with no intended malice and heck I may be wrong in full or in part. For that forgive my ignorance.

But one side of the thing - Christian charity groups comprise some of the largest aid in local communities and states and around the world. When disasters strike Christians pour out to give money, food, water, shelter, medications, pet items etc. etc. I have personally trained, years ago, to be on a disaster relief team and went on a Hurricane Katrina relief project. Many thousands of hours, dollars and effort were expended and this is true on all natural disasters. I also know churches and groups help individuals in their communities to buy groceries, pay utility bills, buy gas, drive folks to needed appointments. And they assist in illness, hospital visits, times of hospice care etc. etc. for loved one and not always those connected to the church. No we are not perfect but the problem can be overwhelming and I learned that there is something called disaster fatigue. The heart and spirit may be willing but there are limits no matter how large the need because we simply cannot fix everything. There are times to pull up stakes, roll in the carpet, and turn out the lights. That is just practical rubber meets the road kind of thing.

So how much Christian charity and benevolence should be put out there? How much will be enough? We are not perfect by any means but I have attended churches of 100 to 150 members for the last 30 years and I will say that the congregants give everytime needs are presented and I would venture they give disproportionately to their income versus the rich and famous who would rather tie up government money than their own. Now there are some wealthy, celeb types who are genuinely generous and compassionate but I am talkin about the whole aggregate. SO when will churches and para-church groups get recognized for their efforts. It is not why we do it, we will leave that in God's hands, but at the same time it seems wrong to deride and harangue those who are trying to help by saying they have dropped the ball. While that is not why we do the CHristian charity and we should continue no matter what, we are human and there are some that may give up, may give in to the disaster fatigue, the constant negative press so to speak. Again and again we are not perfect- but we are human. Most Christians I know are generous and compassionate.

And secondly on the flip side of that card - again my experience in disaster trained relief, part of the problem is .gov interference in charity. I can say with 100% certainty that all, 100%, of the dollars raised for So. Baptist relief go to the relief. We paid for the materials, we paid for our time, equipment, gas etc so that all of the money raised for our Katrina assistance went to the victims at the local church level. Admin of that is part of another program and different monies from the churches. All money raised at individual churches for individual events goes entirely to that events victims. This cannot be said for Red Cross. Red Cross takes a percentage for admin, and they pay "volunteers" to be there - from the money given to each disaster incident. I know this for a fact. YEs I know as you get away from individual congregations and have larger organizations there is a need for admin costs because at that level you need paid staff for large scale organizing and sending. But most of which I am aware that desire to be reputable and responsible to the givers separate the admin from individual disaster giving and there is an accountability group which you can join to have your org. audited. ANd anyone who wishes to give can see where the money goes. Does government aid do this or do we funnel billions to scam artists? And how many times have I read that a city or county or federal regulation prevents assistance from reaching the needy. Food that was tossed because the church kitchen did not pass inspection. Yes I understand the idea behind that but in times of disaster, when people are freezing on park benches can we not just simply help?

My apologies to my fellow Christians if I overstate or misstate. These are my thoughts only and do not reflect on any other Believer.

My two cents
Swredpill 41 posts, incept 2022-01-04
2022-11-14 15:09:49

@TG
Quote:
and you expect them to VOTE FOR THAT you are too stupid to claim to be a male and too stupid to draw oxygen from this planet's reserves.

I am in no way advocating prison for women who obtain abortions. I do advocate that men slip on a glove before the love though. Even if she says "it's okay, I'm on the pill." My sense of outrage stems purely from the one outrageous assertion that somehow women have a crappier deal than do the men.

Men get shafted way too much and where it leads is truly ugly. It's 38 minutes and well worth the watch. 38,000 men a year self delete.


Stephanie 46 posts, incept 2021-12-06
2022-11-14 15:10:00

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You are kidding right? Right?? Todays' women are amoral riders of the cock merry-go-round with body counts in the double digits, sometimes in the triple digits. Of course they all want the Alpha Chad or Tyrone who has the minimum 666 qualification. 6'plus, 6 figure income, and at least a 6" johnson. 90% of women are actively seeking out what amounts to only 10% of men.


@Swredpill - Karl responded much better than I can, but the short version is...whether you like it or not, these women vote, and you can't just blame only women for riding a cock merry-go-round since there needs to be some cock to ride. And if the women you have dated follow a "pattern," maybe you need to stop thinking with your own cock and find a woman with better character. You resentment and bitterness is also not appealing. Drop the chip on your shoulder and you'll do better with a better class of woman.

@Hobbled - You are right, there are Christians who do a lot of work but many churches are dead shells of what they should be...and then there's that whole prosperity gospel stuff which deserves its own topic.

Jacksonlee 259 posts, incept 2007-11-11
2022-11-14 15:10:17

Rumor has it that the dem's are working behind the scenes to get enough RHINO crossovers to vote Liz Cheany in as Speaker. I could just about see that happening to rub it in even more.

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It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office.
H. L. Mencken
Jwm_in_sb 6k posts, incept 2009-04-16
2022-11-14 15:10:24

Uhhhh....yeah...I think you missed the point. And lost a lot credibility for lack of brevity.
Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-14 15:12:35

@Swredpill -
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I am in no way advocating prison for women who obtain abortions. I do advocate that men slip on a glove before the love though. Even if she says "it's okay, I'm on the pill." My sense of outrage stems purely from the one outrageous assertion that somehow women have a crappier deal than do the men.

Uh huh. Sure it does.

The woman in Louisiana -- no idea if she was half a willing partnership or just "rode the cock" as you say, but it doesn't matter. She was carrying a fetus with no higher mental capacity as that part of the brain was not there.

You would deny her and her husband, if she has one the decision on whether or not to undergo the mental anguish of a birth KNOWING the kid will die AND the financial ruination that comes with trying to make that not so, which cannot succeed.

THAT IS WHY THE GOP LOST AND YOU ARE ADVOCATING FOR IT OR AT LEAST EXCUSING IT.

Stop it, take that back, mean it and advocate the other way or continue to lose.

Those are the choices and I don't give a fuck if you're butthurt or not.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2022-11-14 15:35:13

Oh my God people. You do not want to walk in the shoes of the women and the couples who have had to make the decision of the mother's life or the baby's life or the decision to carry a non-visble pregnancy to term. These folks deserve the right to make the best choice they can make in horrific circumstances. If you cannot understand this ... Then my prayer is that you have "the joy" of walking multiple miles in their shoes.
Swredpill 41 posts, incept 2022-01-04
2022-11-14 15:42:16

@TG
I'm not sure why you're cranky with me. I haven't disagreed and I don't disagree with your position in any way that politically the GOP screwed up. They did.

Have kids, don't have kids, or choose to delete kids it really doesn't impact me personally. I got snipped at 28 so I wouldn't have to go through or put someone else through the decisions to abort. In this way I guess could call me an NPC.

I was offended by the position put forth by Stephanie that men are root of women's troubles so I felt compelled to respond to specifically that.

I guess I was too far off topic. Apologies.

Stephanie 46 posts, incept 2021-12-06
2022-11-14 16:05:13

Quote:
I was offended by the position put forth by Stephanie that men are root of women's troubles so I felt compelled to respond to specifically that.


I actually *never* said that. Not once. You read into what I said.

I do think it's a two-way street. Women don't "accidentally" get pregnant by themselves. So if you go and blame women for the cock merry-go-round, you need to acknowledge that "cock" is involved in this game.

But that's not the same thing as saying men are the *root* of women's troubles. That's your projection onto what I said.
Takewhatyoucan64 85 posts, incept 2022-08-30
2022-11-14 16:25:49

Why is it my business as a voter to tell others what to do with their bodies?

F that shit.......I aint Jeebus. Thats his yob.
Wileycoyote40 42 posts, incept 2018-05-05
2022-11-14 16:28:45

Democrats = Harlem Globetrotters
Republicans = Washington Generals
Hobbled 222 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-11-14 16:32:31

Thanks @ Sephanie for your kind reply. I worried that I might offend and that is not my intent. I love the ability to have thoughtful discussion here on TG's site.

Though I will admit as I understand your post I referenced we may be in agreement/disagreement. The standard of sexual behavior should apply to men and women. Keep your britches on until you are married would be best for the whole of society I think you could argue. Folk are free of course to disagree and sex is a powerful attractant for all couples including Christian ones, but the consequences of said free love and sex should not be so lightly carried. If you wish to dabble, so to speak, in adult things where there is a chance of conceiving a child then you should be able to face the adult consequences. Absent the argument of abortion, I think Mr. TG is always preaching about responsibility in our actions and seems part of this missive is that the R faction of the uni-party needs to take responsibility for its failure in this election cycle. Blaming others, as DT seems to be doing is going to kill the R faction. Some of us would say this is a good thing BTW. Forgive me if I say this wrong and sound judgemental. I am not God, I am not the one who is to be pleased and I am not trained in logic or debate.

You are correct though. Some churches have been converged with the world and no longer represent God or Christ's teaching. I am not in one of those so no experience from which to speak. But I would argue to be careful not to equate those as the Body of Christ. They are wrong, they are un-Biblical and are therefore unworthy of the name of Christ and are only worthy of judgement for going off script as it were. Just cuz I stand in my driveway and go beep beep don't make me a car. JUst cuz they have a church name and a pastor don't make them a Christian. In Southron speak :)

And before I get called out on this, we as Christians should acknowledge we are not perfect and we do sin against our Holy God and we do err in our dealings with man. I hate the term hypocrite, yes sometimes it applies when you aren't even trying to follow God and His commands and are using Christianity as a job booster or community reasons, especially here in the South. But when we are in a hourly, daily war with our sinful nature it is not hypocrisy to fail, it is sin, but not hypocracey (sp?). And don't know about the rest of you but I fail in my attempts to be as Christ commands too often for comfort.
Takewhatyoucan64 85 posts, incept 2022-08-30
2022-11-14 17:18:17

Wileycoyote40 41 posts, incept 2018-05-05
2022-11-14 16:28:45


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Democrats = Harlem Globetrotters
Republicans = Washington Generals




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Thats so true and so Effing hilarious too
Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-14 17:23:52

The problem @Hobbled is that this ship has sailed. Technology made that possible and it's not going away. Ever.

As such it's no longer "inevitable" it is now choice and one most won't make. Doesn't matter if you or anyone else likes that or not. Wasn't true by the time I was a teenager and that was 40+ years ago. Deal with reality or get bowled over by it.

There's good that has come with the bad; it's not all one way on that by any means, and anyone honest has to admit that.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Bzelbob 355 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2022-11-14 17:28:07

@Stephanie
Stephanie (from Article) wrote..
See, the average conservative is a nice person. I have nothing against conservatives.
But as a group, conservatives tend to be all-or-nothing thinkers, and have little appreciation for the incremental approach taken by progressives over decades.

This^. The best way I know to express it is that many conservatives confuse defending 'principles' (abstract ideas) with 'realities' (things that are).
It's a "the-map-is-not-the-territory" kind of thing.

Winning in reality often beats standing victoriously on principle (while losing in reality).

When your side (whichever one that is) can't stand to give up one inch of territory to avoid war, when that comes, it usually costs a great deal more than that single inch.
The recent anniversary of the WWI armistice of Nov 11th, reminds one of this.

Not saying one should be an appeaser, or surrender everything easily but only fight to gain or preserve that of true worth.

My late father said to me many times, "Pick your battles wisely."
This has always proven useful.

And you can only die once.

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"Threats are illogical. And payment is usually expensive." - Sarek of Vulcan
Mannfm11 8k posts, incept 2009-02-28
2022-11-14 17:35:46

@KD: 55% of the Democrat vote are already women. Most of them are there because abortion is their #1 issue. That's about the percent mentioned in the polls.

I wrote this before. The woman who wrote the Texas law is my State Senator. Ken Paxton is her old man. They need to codify Roe and put in the exceptions. Roe was 90 days. The Texas law, from what I understand was the heartbeat bill. There isn't much difference between 90 days and that bill. I would go as far as tthe state to offer free pregnancy tests and say, if you are pregnant and don't want it, get off your ass. This would cost less tha $100 million. A woman who doesn't know she is pregnant after 45 days is stupid. I would do one more thing as well. I would nail down every left organization and corporation that said they would pay transportation and would pay in another state to pay for every one of them.

There is a bigger issue with abortion where the Republicans can win. We are faced with a fertility problem in the US and most of the West. Butchering fully develop babies is a crime, legal or not. If these were puppies, the vet would go to jail. The same baby killing Karen's would scream bloody murder. Get a photo of a cut up baby and put that in an ad and run that theme. If this was a puppy, would you care?

There were those on the MAGA side that did mention the jabs. They got no funding from the corporates, the Turtle or MCarthy, while their private donations were scalped by Winred. The story about the jabs is incomplete. Trump was clear, get one, if you want one. I sense he was never informed about potential problems and if he asked Fauci and compamy lied. He hasn't brought up warp speed lately. I don't know how emergencies in States are handled, once declared. but I suspect the President loses some control. Trump was screaming open up by April 1, 2020, but agreed to another month. He signed what the Congress gave him amid chaos, much flamed by the health authorities. Note that California, some other leftist states and much of te Western, English speaking world was shut down 6 months after Trump left. The bars in Dallas County didn't reopen until March 2021. I still recall the owner telling me how safe and effective the jabs were and a few weeks later had to face down some old guys discussing forcing the jabs, telling them they will find out different later. I can tell you Karl was on this earlier than March 2021, because I was fully armed not to take it.

Losing the Senate was a blow, because Johnson, in WI won. Johnson, armed with 6 years and probably had enough of battling elections against the Democrat machine, thus a lame duck, would have taken on this issue. He is the only member of the Senate on that limb, Paul seeking to just go after Fauci. I think Cruz and Paul refused the jabs, having been infected. I suspect Johnson did too.

The Democrats ran their typical ground game, not to mention the machine/ballot sabotage on election day in AZ. As long as there are millions of ballots are floating around, the Democrats will have leverage. Many unions coerce members to turn over their ballots. This is especially true in Las Vegas. Then have the post office with its partisan union. When 20 ballots show up at a location, they know who lives there. I suspect they are given a list. There is plenty of that going on. Just audit your county rolls.

What the Maricopa audit showed was never revealed. Someone finaly got the images of the envelopes. The 125,000 they have looked at so far, 20,000 have no signature. There were mass forgeries and 400,000 doubtful ballots. The Republican slate could not be allowed to win, because the election officials would go to jail. Wonder why the ballots were drawn to not go through the scanners? There are a massive number of different ballots types in Maricopa, because there are different elections. Think they don't know where the middle class Republicans live? Lake and others would exploded this, not to mention, probably changed the Senate. Masters didn't get much, if any money at all. The early ads to demonize your opponent and money for a ground game win elections.

I don't know how the whole country looked, but I have been informed the Democrats had 100% success in toss up races and Republicans has 6 million vote majority in total votes. How does this not lead to a shift in the House? 6 million is the total votes in 30 typical House races for both sdes or all the votes on one winning side in 60 races. I suspect much f this shift occurred in CA and NY. There was a race in MD, firmly in the Republicans hands, I think the Thune race and out of the blue comes a dump this weekend 80% for the Democrat. Republicans never find votes at the end in these races and Democrats find ballots left under a tree in a park. This has gone on for years.

I noticed the typical House seat had around 200,000 votes cast. Look at the races. I venture 75% to 80% of all races fall into the 54-46 margin, which means 4.01% of the voters decide all races. 108,000 to 92,000 and less. Change the minds of just 4000 voters makes that 104K to 96K. Drag another 4000 to the polls through a ground game, 104K to 100K. Find a way to stuff 5000 ballots, you have the seat. Democrats or Republicans on the inside won't care if you run off 5000 machine printed ballots, as long as they can ajudicate them. Think this isn't going on, a combination of money for a ground game and official corruption? If the machine will actually rig an election, you take 4 or 5 days to pretend to count and manufacture the needed ballots to cover the algorithm. We aren't talking about 100 million votes. We are talking about a system where we vote for weeks, they have the updated poll books, they know how we vote and they know who is likely to not show up, who is dead, who left the State and, if necessary, you, who might join the thousands who show up informed they had already voted. 16% of the people who showed up in Maricopa to vote on election day were told they already voted in 2020.

This election was run to destroy MAGA, which is millions of middle class people who have had enough. Demoralization is their goal. Their Democracy, from their standpoint, meaning the RNC and DNC is the Corporate State, one step away from Mussolini and Hitler. Biden went so far as to declare them the enemy and dangerous. Pelosi claims MAGA went after Paul and the Republicans lost because of that. The MSM hasn't allowed that crazy story to be told, instead allowing the Biden administration to fabricate a new one. In any case. that bullshit is getting damn close to totalitarian and they are going so far as to affect and rig elections on the margin, we should be concerned about them

I will close with what Murray Rothbard reported about the last populist movement in the US, led by William Jennings Bryan. Morgan ran the Democrat Party and Rockefeller, the Republicans, including the Ohio party. Both were bankers and both wanted the gold standard. Jennings came out against gold and the 2 united to defeat it. Note McKinley won in 1896 and swap VP's in 1900 to Teddy Roosevelt. TD was a Morgan pawn. McKinley got shot and Morgan's pawn Roosevelt became President. Note that every Republican President from Garfield to Harding was from Ohio. Garfield was shot as well. Arthur, from NY was likely also under the Morgan thumb. Goes to show they can find a lone nut to do their job. I might also note, TD ran a third Party campaign to defeat Taft, who was in his own party and elect another Morgan pawn, Woodrow Wilson who might have done more damage to the Republic than any President until Biden. Populism was beaten back, not by anything other than the rulers of both parties uniting. This is the real destruction of democracy, if they want to talk about Our Democracy.

The point of this is the Establishment Republicans didn't any more want to win this year than Morgan wanted Bryan to win. He actually made his guy into the Republican President, if you can believe conspiracy exists. It happened 20 years prior. Only 3 other Presidents have been shot, along with T Roosevelt when campaigning as Bull Moose. Is it a coincidence 2 Rockefeller Presidents were shot and replaced with Morgan pawns?

This bullshit has been going on for longer than most Americans can imagine. America worked in one direction, because these people needed growth and money power to occupy the world stage. Americans, prior to 1900 were looked upon as barbarians and hicks in Europe, where they were refined. I think the interests of the establishmnt run the other way today, liquidating the country to fund oligarchs around the world. The issue in 1896 isn't much different than today, high finance.

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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith

Gingersmom2009 103 posts, incept 2021-04-15
2022-11-14 17:39:09

@ Hobbled

I fully understand the entrenched GOP slime that we're dealing with. But how do you counteract ballot fraud with in-person votes? How does mass voter fraud equate to republicans not doing their jobs? In the states with "clean" elections, and not just Florida, they seem to do just fine.



Takewhatyoucan64 85 posts, incept 2022-08-30
2022-11-14 17:44:04

Tickerguy 189k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-14 17:23:52


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There's good that has come with the bad; it's not all one way on that by any means, and anyone honest has to admit that.








True words right there
Wayiwalk 580 posts, incept 2016-11-09
2022-11-14 17:58:55

Really, in hindsight, the Democrats were playing 5D chess all along.

Placing morons like Fetterman, Maxine Waters, the squad, etc, in the forefront is just a distraction so pride filled, arogant idiots will think it's in the bag and not think carefully about the game they are in.

Never underestimate your opponent.

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The Lockdowns Will Continue Until the Morale Improves!

I keep thinking, "it can't get any worse" and then it does!
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-11-14 17:59:14

Speaking of failure to stop the vaccine push, what do you guys make of this?

https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=....

This is a pre-print that suggests that SARS-CoV-2 and especially the vaccines inhibit hematopoietic stem progenitor cells in umbilical cord blood in pregnant women. The effect is much worse with the vaccines than with natural infection (duh! the spike in everywhere in the case of vaccination).

Any comments?

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Its all in the mitochondria
Gingersmom2009 103 posts, incept 2021-04-15
2022-11-14 17:59:20

@ Stephanie

I'm anything but an all-or-nothing thinker, and broad brushing people is just lazy. What a candidate claims to stand for has become almost secondary. People are fully aware of what either side represents. The issue with 2020, 2022, and all elections going forward is in-person votes vs ballot fraud. If you don't, at this point, think that's a right/wrong, must have, all-or-nothing issue then there's no need to even reply.
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-11-14 17:59:45

This is the previous paper from October of '20:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article....

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Its all in the mitochondria
Mannfm11 8k posts, incept 2009-02-28
2022-11-14 17:59:50

Mikeyinfl wrote..
As to the failure of the feckless GOPe to win these races, well of course they took a dive. Between the failure to create and execute a strategy to things like McTurtle undermining senate candidates, its pretty obvious they werent in it to win it. You just cant be that stupid. Why? There are a lot of theories such as getting rid of the orange man, elevating Desantis, and others, but the elections as far as Im concerned are compromised and frankly, I dont know how we ever get them back given the lack of interest/opposition to machine count fidelity coupled with massive ballot harvesting, and whatever else might be going on.


I think this is right on and both party establishments are running this scam. The only way a woman goes to a place and gets raped, then goes again and it happens again, is she likes it. Does little for those who don't.

I have a little education on this and I have watched the Democrats create this fraud under the guise someone is disenfranchised? If voting is important, get an ID. You need one to pick up a prescription, so who doesn't have one? Illegal aliens. The point is, they are disenfranchisng all of us, putting elections under the who can read the leaves and cheat the best.

Several weeks to run elections gives the parties the count of how many votes they need to win. Electronic poll books tell the story. Concentration of voting places, eschewing precincts allows for more official misconduct. Letting a Soros funded organization called ERIC puts the wolf in the henhouse. Soros funded the Maricopa County Sheriff making sure no one gets elected.

A man I can't name was contracted by a Republican to develop a program to rig a machine to cheat before theyear 2000. It was a short code and he says no one would ever know it was there. The Democrats know it is there, because they have bitched about it for years until they realize it is in their favor. Then if you bring it up, you are an electon denier. HRC is still bitching, alonh with Jummy Carter whose opinion is worth nothing at his age other than you think it is raining. Rather than this monkey scene anything other than unriggable elections that can be verified by audits should be allowed in the US. We are far from it and with State employees running them, I suspect anti statists ever have a chance.

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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-11-14 18:00:03

Then there is this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article....

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Its all in the mitochondria
Hobbled 222 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-11-14 18:22:50

Yes, agreed TG. That ship has sailed. I think I am your age, 58 at the end of this month, and society and the idea of sex and consequences has moved. I just want to be thoughtful and respectful even though I may disagree with anyone elses worldview. I try to be honest and will admit I am often an idiot, but I am not egotistical enough to say I have arrived at all the best answers. Again, that is why I like to comment here, you are the only site where I comment because it is respectful more often than not and I can learn and infuse my thoughts with well reasoned positions on things.

It is a hard subject and I am not equipped to be perfect or perfectly consistent so how can I make laws requiring others to be so. But as much as I may want our world to have a Biblical worldview, from a theological perspective I cannot condone nor advocate for a theocracy. IMO it seems you would be at the mercy of any group that got the upper hand in the moral/theological debate and they may not be truly Christian and I would be horribly disappointed and would be forced to accept not just a supposed amoral moral neutral position but even a clearly un-Biblcial one. Neither position is good, but I am doing the best I can.
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