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2022-11-10 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Election: The Aftermath
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If there's one take-away from the results of 2022's war (politics, at least thus far) is this: Trump is a crappy General and if he's not ditched 2024 is doomed.

Of course anyone with a brain knew this after 2020; the man was a gutless bully which also was obvious to anyone who had one bit of common sense well back to 2016, but then again neither the media or anyone else in the political punditry wanted to either admit or discuss it.

January 6th was the culmination of man without a sack from top to bottom, and yet still a huge part of the population continued to buy kneepads, to the point that there was a severe shortage of them for those who wanted them for mundane reasons -- like work in their attic or replacing their roof.

Yet two years after that fiasco -- a man who maintained he was cheated yet lacked the sack to arm up and go prove it, yet claimed to be "the guy" who should sit in the left seat with his finger on the button of nuclear holocaust for the world, a good part of the GOP voter base still bought his obese, germophobic BS.

Tuesday, November 8th, 2022 has now come gone. We'll see if that fantasy has finally been broken.

The usual recriminations are out.  Kansas had an independent on the ticket who got about 2% of the vote.  Milton Wolf is blaming said candidate in Kansas for all the abortions and breast-chopping off girls that are likely in the state over the next four years.  Notice what's missing and what's present: Only "approved" parties have a right to run for office and those who run don't have the responsibility to put forward a winning platform on their own; if someone else runs and the "preferred" person by someone's view loses it's not the losing candidate's fault they lost.

Uh huh.

Here's what people don't want to face: The extremes of abortion on both sides are a political third rail; nobody except for the nutjobs is in either of those camps.  The GOP tried to spin the Roe-v-Wade decision as a mandate to ban abortion entirely under all circumstances and got their teeth kicked in -- justly so.  If they had left it alone as a state-specific issue and come out strongly for that, rather than trying to press the USSC win onto the national stage several races, including Pennsylvania's Senate race and Michigan's Governor, would have been walk-off victories.  Instead both were losses and in that regard the Republicans literally sucked-started a political shotgun.

If you run on "abortion is murder" -- or can credibly have that position pinned on your campaign you lose.  Note that murder is a very-specific word; murder is always and everywhere a criminal offense carrying long prison sentences or capital punishment.  It therefore leaves no woman who can find any reason to undergo such a procedure, ever and under any circumstance, any possible path to vote for you since you are by your clear statement threatening to throw her in prison.  Would you vote to voluntarily go to prison?

There are plenty of people who try to link this to things like an ectopic pregnancy, which is never viable and, unless removed, is almost-certain to kill the woman.  That's BS and everyone knows it; there is not one so-called "trigger law" that mandates that a woman die if such was to happen and no such law would be constitutional.  However there are myriad other corner cases that remain -- and attempting to label all of them murder is how you lose elections.

The Republicans continue to refuse to face this fact and boy did they amp it up this time -- with the entirely-expected results.  No more than a tiny single-digit percentage of child-bearing age women will agree that there are no circumstances under which she might want to terminate a pregnancy short of her being dead if she doesn't and will accept being convicted of murder and thrown in prison if any of those other circumstances  -- like being raped, for example, or if the fetus is discovered to be horribly defective and cannot possibly live a reasonable life by any rational definition, never mind bankrupting both her and her partner before dying horribly -- arise.

If you're one of the people pressing that position in public, no matter the venue but especially if you were doing it in a political context you are the reason that the election turned out the way it did.  You caused it; you cheered it on and stoked the crazy, now you get to live the curse.

The really ugly part of that stupidity is that it meant we had no political debate at all about what is arguably the fiscal issue on the table and one that threatens to blow up the Federal Government within the next few years.

Tell me, America:  How many candidates ran on a platform that had as its primary feature ending the medical monopolies and, as a result, adding 15% to your actual disposable personal income?

Oh yeah, there would be side effects: One in five, roughly, would lose their job and of course they would be vociferously opposed.  But the other 80% would have basically the entire Bidenflation economic impact removed from their personal finances and not just once -- permanently.  What percentage of those people do you think would have voted for said candidate, assuming he or she didn't blow their own head off by bringing abortion into it?

ALL OF THEM.

There was not one candidate who did so that I'm aware of.

Not one.

Not one Democrat (of course), Republican or Libertarian for that matter who ran on something like this.

Nor did anyone that I've seen actually run on enacting legislative hard-stops on ever pulling any of the 2020 crap again including against their own authority should they try to do it.  DeSantis claims he did but in fact he closed things just like everyone else and while now taking credit for "reopening faster" the fact is that he has not stated that he was wrong originally.  Of course there is also his refusal to enforce the fines in his pet legislation, including against entirely-intrastate entities such as The Straz in Tampa where there was no federal jurisdictional question.  Therefore it must be concluded that he doesn't think he was wrong, he not only supports he demonstrably abuses laws through selective enforcement and further, despite having the capacity to prohibit blockage of treatments by pharmacists and physicians that has not been taken care of either.

Where were the candidates, incumbent or otherwise, stating clearly that no more of that crap will happen, ever again, period?

Zero incumbents who actually did slaughter people -- including shoving Covid-positive patients into nursing homes when we knew damn well that was rather likely to kill the residents, lost their job.  It certainly doesn't help that the Republicans ran a caricature of Satan in several contests, including Michigan -- but the fact remains that in those states where that sort of insanity happened at their specific direction and said governor was on the ballot they were all reelected.  Ditto for those who cost kids two years of education (I remind you that they all cost the kids a full semester, basically.)  Never mind the "squad" folks who want to get rid of cops -- and we've been witness to entire areas of cities burned to ash over the last two years, along with skyrocketing crime.  Pritzker, who signed and in weeks will implement a ban on cash bail, was reelected despite Chicago's weekly "shot clock" standing as evidence for how bad it already is.

People are trying to spin DeSantis' win as some sort of referendum on "freedom."  It was no such thing; Crist was a and remains a washed-up nutjob who had no realistic chance in the first place.  The "bench" issue with crazies is not uniquely Republican and as such DeSantis' win is equivalent to what would have happened if he ran against Bozo The Clown so spare me the accolades.

I thought we'd probably wake up and find ourselves with a clear GOP majority in both the House and Senate, and as a result there would likely be a nice market rally (gridlock tends to produce one) with a deferment of the Trump question for another few months, albeit with him likely announcing intent within a week or so.

While the House appears to be definitely GOP even with undecided races, the Senate is, as I pen this, undecided although I don't see how the GOP loses all three of the remaining to-be-decided contests.  Nonetheless without at least two wins its still 50/50 with Kamala as a tiebreaker and it shouldn't have been close.

All of that happened because Trump was in the game and the GOP's bench was both garbage and spewed crap about throwing women in prison -- but for the Oz debacle in PA Fetterman would have been roadkill three months ago.  He wasn't, and the reason he wasn't is that a literal nutjob -- yet another celebrity cardboard cutout -- was on the ballot opposing him.

Further, and perhaps most-importantly: If you back anything of the current "GOP" power structure at this point, including most-particularly those who took in and spent hundreds of millions of dollars on the promise of a "red tsunami" and instead produced a bit of blood-tinged piss -- you're nuts.

We, like every other nation's citizens, get the government we deserve.  Unfortunately what we now deserve plausibly includes the black flag going up.  That's by no means certain yet, but the odds have risen dramatically -- and our actions, and inactions, are why.

It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.

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Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2022-11-10 07:31:08

Well put Karl. Cheers.

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Rangeishot 1k posts, incept 2021-11-18
2022-11-10 07:31:28

I get that you really hate DeSantis (to a degree that I find bizarre), but with all due respect, in fact he did say that he regrets not pushing back on the lockdown shit. Not even Google tries to bury it. No need to run the "yoU suCK deSATAN cocKS!!1!" thing, we did that when I was New Guy and frankly it isn't true. He's not perfect by any means, but he arguably has gotten it right more than any other governor.

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Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-10 07:33:01

@Rangeishot - I remind you that this "regret" is posthumous and stands without compensation (that is, no penance); what stands is what he did, including the E/O at the end of April that maintained the hard lock-out on bars and gyms, never mind the threat of literal arrest for the "crime" of personal interstate travel, which I remind you is indeed a Constitutional Right.

What ALSO stands is that he has not once come out and said the jabs were a bad idea and with essentially no exceptions nobody should have conned by that crap. In fact he pushed them personally, although he DID sign legislation on mandates (and then refused to enforce said fines.)

Nonetheless he has not retracted his recommendation that everyone take the shots.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Vernonb 2k posts, incept 2009-06-03
2022-11-10 07:45:46

IMO Trump is primarily responsible for the losses in PA. If he had kept his stubby mittens out of the PA senate race instead of pushing Oz the results may have been different.

That scumbag Oz was already a lowlife and a carpetbagger scum millionaire only sealed the loss. Many within the republican party refused to vote for this POS.

Oz is about as anti 2A as they come and let us not forget the whole transgender mess. Oz was a loser from day 1.

Trump endorsed Oz because Oz said nice things about Trump. Trump cared more about his ego than the outcome of an election.

Brain dead and reckless is how I view Trump. His own ego makes it impossible to plan or secure long term wins. This is no general but an egomaniac.

Anyone else to him is simply fodder.

Even Oz's own ads were lies about himself. All Fetterman needed was to tell the truth - a rarity for sure.



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Njca 249 posts, incept 2018-10-16
2022-11-10 07:46:14

Whether the water is salt or fresh....
Blanca 486 posts, incept 2020-07-25
2022-11-10 07:48:43

Conservatives had some very significant tailwinds coming into this election. There was a deeply unpopular president, raging inflation, radical gender ideologies wrecking our children, and a poor economy still suffering from the ravages of the government covid authoritarianism. And yet the red wave didn't occur. As conservatives we need to recognize the following:

1. The country is much more liberal than we would like it to be. After the past 30+ years of the indoctrination of the youth by the education establishment it will be challenging to turn these liberals into conservatives.

2. Trump has served his purpose. It is time for him to move on and be a statesman/elder. It doesn't matter whether he was unfairly denied the presidency. In 2024 he will be 78. If he runs in 2024, he will likely lose.

3. Conservatives in government need to stop "conserving" and start winding back the destruction caused by the liberals over the last 30 years. What has been happening with each election is that the liberals implement radical policies, they become enshrined in law and executive orders, conservatives are swept into power, and do not reverse anything. And so the liberal agenda marches onward. Conservatives have been speedbumps and nothing more. And so many conservatives, rightly so, become cynical about the opportunities for reform.

4. Conservatives need to recognize the limits of this government. Find an area you like, and live there. Leave the blue hell-holes, and don't count on anything changing at the national level. The US is collapsing both morally and economically. Without repentance and change the outcome is inevitable.
Thegreatunwashed 235 posts, incept 2021-09-13
2022-11-10 07:55:06

It is beginning to look more and more like a Trump DeSantis mud fight awaits us in the Republican. At least it will be entertaining. Although I agree with most of TGs criticisms of both, in each case it can be said that at least they are not ALL bad. Something you cant say about 90% of elected officials. If any other likely candidate, besides perhaps Rand Paul, is the Republican nominee, I will not even waste the gas driving to the polling booth in November 2024.

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Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-10 07:57:18

I like the idea of a Trump/DeSantis primary war.

It will force both of these clowns out in the open with their actual positions, specifically the death stabs and has a good chance of forcing out into the open just recriminations on DeSantis' and Trump's lockdown policies too.

Neither one of them ought to get away with a single bit of that and yet so far both have. Nope, nope and nope. If DeSantis wants the left seat then let him earn it, including atonement for EVERY SINGLE ONE of this appearances touting the jabs and urging Floridians to go get them. Never mind his end-of-April E/O.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Jacksonlee 259 posts, incept 2007-11-11
2022-11-10 08:01:23

@ Blanca- Bingo!

The country and particularly the 18-24 year old range are for the most part far-left and the country will be driven even more in that direction in the future.
The 18-24 range came out big time for the Left and even more so the un-married women. The states and cities which are cesspools are unsalvageable and it would be a waste of time and effort to even try to change that. Leave them in droves and their congressional count will diminish. They will abort their future on their own.

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Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-10 08:03:20

@Jacksonlee - Sorry, I don't care where you are if you expect people to vote themselves into a prison sentence you're certifiable.

Either the GOP cuts that shit out and slices off the head of any candidate who tries it in the future as a matter of policy or they will not win. I don't give a fuck if you like it or not; women are 50% of the vote and you cannot win without their votes so any credible threat to throw them in prison for things that DO HAPPEN through no fault of theirs means said candidate loses AND SHOULD.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.
Cyben 55 posts, incept 2022-10-21
2022-11-10 08:04:59

Murder has nothing to do with legality. It has to do with morality.

Reversed cause and effect. Laws against murder are based on morality. If murder was only a legality, any form of killing is legitimate if you just change the law first.

I'd say to ask Nazi Germany how that goes, but many current polities are observably worse than that in all regards and still going strong.

Now zoom out. We do massive amounts of our medical research via products of abortion. That's human testing without consent, by any other name. Nuremburg? Hah, easy to loophole. Whoever's at the levers observably don't care.

Election losses are DEFINITELY NOT MONO-CAUSAL. In the cases above:
-There was some degree of cheating going on, possibly on both sides.
-There was definitely deceitful smearing going on... for instance nobody called for miscarriages to be charged as murders, and that stopped precisely nobody from claiming such was a common opposed intent.

Sorry, but if the standard is "can be smeared with" rather than "they actually said that", we already have too many unfit people voting to have anything other than a dumbocracy ever again until the lead lining. "Can be affixed" is based ENTIRELY on ignorance and/or malice of the groupies.

You wanna know who ACTUALLY would have to be prosecuted, rather than some raped or miscarried women? The medical/research/biotech industries hard-based on abortion products. And Biden just rolled out the orders that we're going to focus on bio-economy (neo-slavery is one of the less abominable interpretations of that).

The callousness toward the unborn is one of the most significant contributory causes to how we got the vex. Same continuum. If our standard were even "if it doesn't feel pain or fear" that would be bad enough, open season for "humane" murder neo-nomenclature... we don't even have that high of a standard. Our standard is "if you can't hear them scream".

Cue social media silencing.
Themortgagedude 12k posts, incept 2007-12-17
2022-11-10 08:11:11

I think its far more abortion than Trump. I don't think abortion changed many minds but rather got a lot of people off their couch and into the precinct to vote.

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Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-10 08:11:01

@Cyben -
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Sorry, but if the standard is "can be smeared with" rather than "they actually said that", we already have too many unfit people voting to have anything other than a dumbocracy ever again until the lead lining. "Can be affixed" is based ENTIRELY on ignorance and/or malice of the groupies.

But they DID actually say that, and the GOP position on an official basis is exactly as-charged.
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The callousness toward the unborn is one of the most significant contributory causes to how we got the vex.

Bullshit.

But its always nice to run that sort of shit.

NPR was wildly and intentionally dishonest in how they portrayed, for example, the MO abortion law -- claiming that it prohibited removing an ectopic pregnancy. Bullshit. Not only was that untrue they admitted it was untrue in their own reporting, which you'd think would be sufficient for anyone with even a 70IQ to discern that. You'd be wrong and the reason is that credibly threatening to throw someone in prison for an event they were not at fault for is vile enough that it acts like a switch -- and should.

The problem is that even absent the distortion NPR put on it removed there are very close to ZERO women of child-bearing age who will vote for any politician who puts a stake in the ground and says that if she's raped she must carry that child to term and, should she choose otherwise, that choice is illegal and someone is exposed to going to prison.

Either the GOP cuts that shit out or they lose races they should win on a regular basis. All of this dancing in the streets over Dobbs is why what should have been a historic blowout was nearly a loss.

You can BITCH about "callousness" all you'd like but that's bullshit and either the GOP stops it or they will keep losing elections. Its very simple: Threatening half the voting population with life in prison gets you damn few votes.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Tdurden 1k posts, incept 2015-01-29
2022-11-10 08:26:11

Some of the shit from Tuesday was almost to be expected. If you are of the mind that there was 2020 fuckery with ballots magically appearing in states like PA and MI, it would be hard to expect any different outcome on Tuesday with the same crew in charge of counting the votes. And even if you aren't of that mind, what has been the bog story of the last two years?: people fleeing states with the hard lockdown restrictions fleeing to red states. Kind of hard to have a "red wave" in those states when so many of the red voters moved somewhere else, isn't it?

Then there are some things that just leave you shaking your head. Caligula in PA sent his horse to the US Senate this week. Let that one soak for a bit. PA also voted a dead man into office. Not entirely unheard of. John Ashcroft lost his senate seat to a dead man so we ended up with him as junior bush's AG.

As for the women who went single-issue on abortion, ok, I can see that. The ones who voted blue I don't want to hear a fucking word of complaint when their kids are being treated like lifestock in the government schools and they can't go out after dark for fear of being robbed and/or otherwise violated. Karen can live with the fucking consequences.

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Cyben 55 posts, incept 2022-10-21
2022-11-10 08:26:49

The threat to throw women in prison for things out of their control was not credible. If that many women are buying it, the indication is instead that our women are noticeably more manipulable than even our men, which is quite something.

If on the other hand you're saying that this many women DID have control, and now refuse to face responsibility for their intentional actions... there is no reason to permit the irresponsible to vote, and many reasons not to.

If people who should objectively be in prison, regardless their sex, age, race, creed, ethnicity, or whatever else have you, are not only not getting there, but are deciding policy, and nobody cares to do whatever is necessary to remove them....

Sorry, I refuse to take a lay down and die position, and I am NOT the asshole in the room for that refusal.
Mrbobo 61 posts, incept 2021-12-01
2022-11-10 08:26:57

I can't believe that abortion is really that relevant to turnout. It's certainly a radioactive issue, but it has to be low double digit percentages on each side that gives that much of a shit. Barring those on a crusade to ban or enshrine it, I can't comprehend who even gives it passing thought given the myriad of shite going on.
I made a decent enough effort at ignoring the election cycle, but who was proposing the nationwide bans besides Lindsay Graham? Democrats from ads I saw in a few states were certainly running on protecting abortion, but I can't say I saw that as a campaign pillar for any Republicans.
Boredfree 924 posts, incept 2021-09-15
2022-11-10 08:32:37

Karl,

You have hammered home again and again simple ways to fix many of our political problems yet... yet?

People are not free of their personal burdens that tie so many's hands to the system.

People with loads of debt are more frightened of their personal destruction then they are of the Nation's destruction. Too many have, for too long, been part of the problem they want to fix.

We want our cake, but not the calories. We want freedom but not enough to do the work to achieve it. We want something to change, just not anything we are involved in.

I'm going to wander into the realm of the weird for a moment to state I feel our problem lies in our binary belief system.

Media, politics, heck most things are a choice between yes or no, him or her, Democrats or Republicans. Why isn't there a choice like none of the above? Why don't people ask why are we even focusing on certain things like Ukraine?

Three is a magical number. Three allows for mutations from the norm. The third choice frees us from the binary world politics and media prefer we live in.

Since graduating high school in the mid Eighties I began my real lessons in life. My head was full of the forced crap schools indoctrinated into us.

Unlearning the bullshit has been a giant task. The only lesson a person needs to understand is debt is slavery. The more debt the easier to control the debt slaves.

Scaling back expectations and investing in yourself is important. The time you give your job so your kids can have a richer life than you did are likely wasted. You're better off with less money and more time with your loved ones. You will never be able to buy the experience of hiking with your five year old. Ten year olds will suddenly become 16 and you should be there with them, not chained to your desk.

People tell me how lucky I am to live my irresponsible lifestyle of working when I want, playing when I feel the need and almost paying off our tiny mortgage in five years of living this way. How is it possible?

Because I chose my life to be this way.

I chose not to go into debt for a college degree. I chose to always buy and maintain cheap used cars rather than pay the debt for a new car. I chose not to breed as properly raised children are expensive in both time and financial terms. We built our home (and practice house, bathhouse, shed/shop and recently added a cool patio with covered bbq grill) ourselves. By ourselves I mean with our hands, not paying someone else to build 'our house' and we saved tens of thousands of dollars this way. We recycled old wood, windows and roofing materials to save even more money. It wasn't easy, but paying off $100,000 isn't easy either.

It's better to be able to choose your path then having it 'forced' upon you due to your debts.

And the ultimate irony is many who laughed at my wife and me are going to be forced to be frugal. And since they haven't been practicing it's going to be painful.

I hope you enjoy your $6 coffee while you can afford it...

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Hobbled 216 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-11-10 08:34:03

Blanca. Point 1 spot on. This is why as a younger 30 something guy I really started paying attention more closely. I am not a political animal but the Gore/Bush brouhaha made me notice our Republic was more fractured than I wanted to believe. And it starts with educating people about who we are so they aren't fooled too easily. Well that's over and folk don't know we aren't a democracy or that statism in any form leads to misery.

Point 3 - yeah, I cringe every time so called conservatives talk about compromise and reaching across the aisle. Bull puckey - fight for what your constituents who are actually your boss want darn the consequences. Every time they bend to a liberal statist position you lose they win. You conserve nothing, you lose ground never to be regained. They get more tax increases, more regulation, more laws, more "common sense" gun laws etc. EVERY TIME.

And may I add. Seems to me these political social issues TG spends so much time and ink should not be so mightily necessary to prevent destruction.. They should be more philosophical and educational to help us stay informed. But they have become urgent. The government, especially the Federal government, should not be such a large bureaucracy that they interfere in our lives to such proportions. Any single election should not be of earth shattering import that can cause the country to fall apart because their ability to cause destruction is not there. And any laws, EO, red tape can be peacefully resolved at the next election because .gov is limited from the get-go. Idiots like TG shows us can only do very minimal damage during any single term or legislative session and life goes on. But when they can affect us all so directly in every part of our lives each election becomes a knockdown dragout cage fight. This is not what our political forefathers envisioned.

I often encourage folks to read Batiats "The Law". Short pamphlet that makes such sense on the proper role of government. Very timely, astute and accurate commentary on what we are seeing 170 some odd years later.
Rangeishot 1k posts, incept 2021-11-18
2022-11-10 08:34:25

@Tickerguy yes I definitely agree the fact that he spoke in favor of the jabs and hasn't retracted any of that bothers me. It's probably the largest concern I have about him, in fact.

All a Trump/DeSantis war would accomplish is making it easier to install another Democrat potato. Yet I fear and expect that's what Trump's ego will deliver, barring some sort of clot-shot "suddenly".

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Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-10 08:31:47

@Cyben you need to stop lying, specifically about this:
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The threat to throw women in prison for things out of their control was not credible. If that many women are buying it, the indication is instead that our women are noticeably more manipulable than even our men, which is quite something.

Here's the MO abortion law and yes, it absolutely does threaten to throw people in prison for decisions made to mitigate harms that were not the result of a consensual act.
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2. Notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary, no abortion shall be performed or induced upon a woman, except in cases of medical emergency. Any person who knowingly performs or induces an abortion of an unborn child in violation of this subsection shall be guilty of a class B felony, as well as subject to suspension or revocation of his or her professional license by his or her professional licensing board. A woman upon whom an abortion is performed or induced in violation of this subsection shall not be prosecuted for a conspiracy to violate the provisions of this subsection.

Therefore yes, said law DOES threaten to throw people in prison; that it prevents the woman from being charged does not change a thing as throwing her DOCTOR in prison may as well be her. I remind you that a lot of doctors are women.

https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/miss....

Unless you're arguing that rape is consensual you need to stop lying around here.

That is not a request.

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The difference between "kill" and "murder" is that murder, as a subset of kill, is undeserved by the deceased.

Jacksonlee 259 posts, incept 2007-11-11
2022-11-10 08:35:02

@ Tickerguy. I didn't raise the issue of abortion in my little comment unless you are construing my usage of the word abort with abortion.

Of course rape is another matter.

I didn't follow all the political jargon this season so I'm not sure who was saying throw them in prison. If they choose to live an overtly promiscuous lifestyle without accepting responsibility for same, that's up to them but I'm not certain taxpayers should be on the hook for it.

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Dingleberry 566 posts, incept 2011-11-06
2022-11-10 08:35:17

The Overton Window has shifted thanks priorly to women and minorities. Your country as you once knew it is GONE.

Women (overwhelmingly the young & single) voted to kill babies and for a party that cannot even define WHAT THE FUCK A WOMAN IS. Vacuuming babies is obviously far more important. And no...you won't be reaching them with logic and reason, but please do try.

So going forward, can we please spare any sympathy for the inevitable future trans attack on "women" playing sports?

THEY VOTED FOR IT.

Repubs have to go against 90% of all forms of media. Go ahead and fight that. The media had hood rats thinking they were going back to the plantation if repubs won. That is how silly it is, but apparently it works. Then they have to go against the libs in their own ranks (i.e. the soccer mom). States like PA, MI, etc. are liberal SHIT HOLES. I know because I lived in one. Michigan hasn't elected a conservative for governor or anyone to the US senate in DECADES and 2 of the 6 "republican" reps who voted for Trump came from that hell hole. What are the odds? IT IS FULL OF KARENS. And tons of immigrants, illegal and otherwise. Oh yeah....the good citizens there just voted there to make drop box voting easier! You know what that means, don't you? They just signed their own eternal dem machine enslavement. They will keep their corruption, taxation theft rates, feral cities and crime, failing skoolz, shitty roads.....but they get to enjoy their legalized dope, so it's all good! Priorities folks.....priorities. Oh, and keep a governor that got caught coming to the state of DeSantis for sunshine and family fun while telling her lemmings to sit home and suck it, and sending gramps to his death in the nursing home. And advocated for jab mandates. But remember....vaccuming babies is far, far more important. Priorities folks, priorities.

You are chasing fools gold thinking that (overall) minorities are going to vote against promises of "FREEEEE!". You are chasing fools gold if you think anyone is going to fight (even slightly) feminism and all the socialistic woke shit that has spawned. You are chasing fools gold if you think today's youngster will "grow up" and become rational and lose that progressive stupidity (look at the millennial for fuck's sake). And the Zoomer is FAR WORSE. Look at how many are on head meds and are gender confused. IN FUCKING GRADE SCHOOL.

The Overton window has shifted. And will continue to do so. It has been for decades. And while there is an occasional speed bump, the trend is clear.

So now you know. And once rights are lost or restricted in the blue zoo....they don't come back. EVER.

I'm just glad I currently have a view of this descent into hell from the cheap seats. In a very red state that just got redder.

THANK GOD.

Djsnola 320 posts, incept 2009-03-16
2022-11-10 08:38:38

Without a doubt yesterday was the likely pivot for the Trump psychosis going forward. Desantis was the big winner yesterday, but thats because the media will for now play his hand up and show support for him to try and take Trump out. Honestly, at this point Im fine with that as Trump has taken all the oxygen out of the room and the more deranged he comes off the better we will be able to remove him from the conversation. I voted for him in 2016 and 2020, but I am emphatic that we move on. Who I will support? I dont know but that conversation cant be had with all this drama in the room. Also, as for Florida .. Yes Desantis and the Republicans did well there. However, one could argue hundreds of thousands of republicans have moved there over the last four years. These voters often were republican voters in places like Pa, WI, and Michigan. The realignment of people to areas of the country that better represent their values continues. My biggest hope for this nation to survive as one entity is a true return to extreme federalism.
Cyben 55 posts, incept 2022-10-21
2022-11-10 08:43:00

I don't believe for a second that all women have had an abortion. I don't believe for a second that all women have even had an inadvertent miscarriage, though I am aware that number will be surprisingly high to many. Hell, I don't even believe that all women have used birth control at some point or another.

Instead we're talking about some percentage of that percentage. Since the decimation ratio seems to keep cropping up everywhere from quelling legionnaire rebellions to capturing industries, let's say around 10% of women would need to have had an abortion, so 5% of the population. It's enough for fairly reliable sway.

I still doubt that many have had an abortion. Probably of certain minorities.

But overall being above 5% of women having either had or performed an abortion due to rape?

If that's true, then the people saying that we need to teach men not to rape are correct.

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