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2022-11-07 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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How many times have you heard save our Democracy or some simile of it over your lifetime?

Let me guess -- you think we have one, we had one, we live in one or you'd like to live in one?

If so....

You're fine with the majority deciding that everyone must take an experimental drug -- or even a non-experimental one, yes?

You're fine with the majority insisting on forced business closures on the mere claim that something horrible might happen if not?  I remind you that every governor did this, even DeSantis.  Personal friends of mine had their bars forcibly closed by the cops during the pandemic -- in Florida -- and when my home sale closed at the very end of April it was not possible to go have a beer and some food with friends the night before as by state-wide decree all such places were shut down.  Spare me your sanctimonious lies as it is a fact that I and close friends sat in a hotel room and had to order our food for delivery.

You're fine with the majority deciding that every dollar you earn beyond some level (which they choose) is to be distributed out to everyone who has a need, yes?

You're fine with the majority deciding that if you have a spare bedroom in your home (say, for guests who might come) then if there is no guest in there right now a homeless person of someone else's choosing can occupy it at your expense whether you like it or not, yes?

You're fine with the majority deciding that your daughter must bear zero, one, two or four children and, if she doesn't want to or can't find someone she wants to do so with she must be held down and forced, yes?

You're fine with what China in fact did in furtherance of that sort of policy including forced abortions and sterilization as long as the majority votes for it, yes?

You're fine with the majority telling your daughter or son that he or she must change and/or shower with people of the opposite sex at a government-funded school in the locker room?  Your daughter has no right to keep boys from leering at her bare genitals if the majority says that physical boys have the right to leer at her naked body while at a government-funded institution which, incidentally, you are  also forced to pay for via taxes on your residence?

You're fine with the majority deciding that your son must take in one, two or more orphans or those who have "unsuitable" parents and raise said kids, and if this means he must go get another job to pay for the food, clothing and similar, that's his problem, yes?

Speaking of which, you're ok with the majority making the same demand of you too, right?  After all, your kids are grown and gone so here's two more to take care of on your dime because the majority says so.  At your expense, of course.

You're fine with the majority deciding that any travel in a vehicle anywhere beyond your place of work must be pre-approved and is subject to regulation, taxation or outright prohibition because every mile you travel by such conveyance may harm the environment, yes?

You're fine with the majority extending the same decision-making to your ability to get to your job by personal conveyance if said majority, in their opinion, thinks your current commute and job is more damaging to the environment than one they choose for you then you must change jobs  -- irrespective of your preference and either job's salary?

You're fine with the majority deciding that there are too many people in this nation and thus when you reach some arbitrary age, become disabled and no longer able to pull your own weight or even that you just contribute less than your neighbor today you must accept your life being terminated, yes?

You're fine with the majority deciding that as of the moment of your death every asset you may have accumulated is to be distributed to each according to their needs, such as, for example, by making it all forfeit to the government at that instant in time, yes?

Indeed you're fine with being the victim of gang rape, yes?  Oh, that's crazy?  Well, no, actually gang rape is the embodiment of Democracy: A bunch of dudes vote on who to have sex with and then do so despite the minority's objection.

Any or all of those is unacceptable, you say?

Well then you don't actually believe in Democracy, do you?

Obviously not.

Words have meaning.

Democracy is the governing principle that says that 50.0001% of the population gets to decide what happens with no limitations and can enforce that decision via whatever means are necessary to do so.  If you are in some way in the minority, no matter what the issue might be or how close the question provided you're out of the majority by just one vote, your opinion has no value and you have no choice whatsoever even if the majority opinion is that you must be reduced to penury or even die.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep taking a vote on what's for dinner, in short.

Republic, on the other hand, is a form of government where explicit limits are placed on what the population can do through said government and collective action.  It is a form of government where the people have inalienable rights that are recognized, but not granted by said government.

As the government cannot grant that which it never possessed, nor can anyone else, the people cannot have those boundaries invaded no matter how many votes are taken or what percentage majority may hold said opinion and, if said boundaries are disrespected anyway each individual has the right through either personal or collective (with others) action to stop it by whatever means may necessary to do so.

Republic exists in the above example when the wolves attempt to hold the vote on what to have for dinner, the sheep pulls a gun and if the wolves do not immediately desist he shoots one of them in the head and if necessary he will shoot the other one too.  

In a Republic anyone in the minority has the legal right to put an immediate and if necessary final stop to any infringement on their unalienable rights despite being in the minority, even if a minority of one opposing all; said legal right is subject only to the determination that the infringement was in fact occurring or, as viewed by a reasonable person, about to occur.

Note that once you lose the essence of a Republic getting it back is likely to be an extraordinarily bloody affair and the odds that you do not become a victim in the process are not very good.  After all wolves really do prefer dining on sheep who either won't, because they're bereft of a sack or can't, because they've been disarmed, shoot them.

History bears this out with repeated examples.

Think back over the last couple of years and the problem with claiming "democracy" should be rather evident.

America has never been a Democracy; the very foundation of its government is that of a Republic.

Well, that's the theory anyway.

But unless you'd like your life and decision-making, never mind that of your children, to be voided in its entirety at the whim of others you'd better make damn sure we have less theory and more fact.

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Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2022-11-07 07:49:27

Yep. Every ducking day someone cries about democracy. Suck a dick. Its a fucking republic!!

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Spanky 201 posts, incept 2011-03-22
2022-11-07 07:49:31

Gang rape = democracy in action. That's why we have a Constitutional Republic.
Nma 307 posts, incept 2010-03-16
2022-11-07 07:49:38

2 things will happen in the short-term (prior to 2024):

1. All the fake numbers will start to be reconciled, and the upcoming employment and economic dumpster fires will be squarely blamed on the red wave occurring tomorrow. This narrative will be as effective as it is infuriating. Do not give in to the temptation to waste your energy defending Republicans in any way. Just the facts sir.

2. A decision by the Supreme Court will be ignored by this administration. Explicitly ignored, ala "now let them enforce it." That may or may not be the straw on the camel's back, hard to know what crops geopolitically between now and then.
Augeries 351 posts, incept 2019-09-26
2022-11-07 07:49:46

I was sure to set a reminder. Wouldn't want to forget to do my part on Tuesday!
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Hobbled 216 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-11-07 07:50:05

Yes thank you. I hope and pray many will read this. And understand.

I have long hated pundits and politicians saying we need to save our democracy. We ain't one and don't need to be one and for gosh sakes we the U.S. don't need to spread democracy to the rest of the world.
Smokeyblonde13 250 posts, incept 2021-10-29
2022-11-07 07:50:14

99% of Politicians: If MAGA wins, Democracy will die!

Smokey: Good. Democracy deserves to die. Hope it's a painful death.
Shadowmask 4k posts, incept 2021-05-24
2022-11-07 08:19:15

Why would anyone defend repukeicans? They created this mess right alongside the demonrats.

On January 6, all the sheep bleated about "democracy" and threats to it. The same sheep cheered on riot season. That was what drove home the point for me that we lost and are only riding the last wave down to the rocks.

We as a society are too dumb to survive as a republic. Thanks to the worthless class (who all vote), the 40% or so productive people left will be mandated to do all the things mentioned in the Ticker.
Jpg 776 posts, incept 2009-03-23
2022-11-07 08:34:00

Democracy - fancy word for "mob rule".
Bluto 1k posts, incept 2021-07-10
2022-11-07 08:43:08

The "muh democracy" folks really don't even believe in that. Their ultimate goal is to do away with real elections, just like in every other totaltiarian regime.

Consider the following:

-- How many votes were there to close businesses in 2020?
-- Where were the elections or congressional votes to mandate the clot shots for 100 million workers via OSHA?
-- How about votes to mandate the clot shots for medical workers, federal contractors, military, etc?
-- Who voted to close the national parks in 2020?
-- Who voted for face diapers?

ALL of the decisions were either made by one man at the federal level, or 49 at the state level. (I'm exempting the 50th state, South Dakota, because I think Governor Noem was the only one to not order shutdowns.)

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Sancho 123 posts, incept 2013-12-06
2022-11-07 08:46:04

The enemies of Democracy are productivity and decentralization.

When less than 50% of the people can produce enough to cover the needs of everyone, then everything gets f***d. In food is less than 3%. That is, less than 3% of the people produce the food for everyone. So, it is clear that the 97% democratic process won't be fair to food producers. Witness N2 regulations in Netherlands or the robbery to soy producers in Argentina via exchange rate manipulation. All in the name of "climate", "social justice", "paying the fair share".

Couple that with centralized power, and there is no trouble free solution to it.

That situation was shown in Atlas Shrugged, where the only solution for this situation was for productive people to abandon it, and let the freeloaders collapse.

In the US, this was not an issue because of the dispersion of power among states. You posted a video some time ago by Antonin Scalia explaining this.

But now, with federal agencies holding a lot of power over daily life (EPA regulating the amount of water per flush in toilets) the situation is fast approaching the point where the system cannot solve the problem organically, returning some of those powers to the states or the people.


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Bluto 1k posts, incept 2021-07-10
2022-11-07 08:46:26

Another example of "muh democracy" in action:

We recently had a decennial census. Those results were audited, and it was found there were egregious errors (some up to 5%) in many states. Oddly, just about ALL of those "mistakes" added population to the blue states, and subtracted population from the red states.

The result of this is about 3 more House seats for the Democrats, and 3 more Electoral Votes for "blue states". And that doesn't even include the intra-state distribution which likely throws even more seats to the Democrats.

Are the guardians of "muh democracy" calling to fix this, which could easily be done through Congress?

Of course not.

Instead they are leveraging an inherently dishonest population count to stack the deck in their favor. This is no different than saying we are going to count Person A's vote once, but we will count Person B's vote four times. Blatant vote fraud, and the Democrats not only don't give a shit, it was likely their minions in the Deep State that orchestrated it.

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"One man with courage makes a majority" Andrew Jackson
Hobbled 216 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-11-07 08:55:16

Smokey - no offense. But even if the "Republicans" have a red tsunami this week nothing much will change, Sure it would be nice if they could force a reversal on energy policies. But as our host points out if they don't reign in medical costs on day one and stop profligate spending with trillion dollar deficits nothing changes. Economic pain is a certainty now, it is only a matter of degree of pain.
Swredpill 41 posts, incept 2022-01-04
2022-11-07 09:07:39

"The Orville" A largely overlooked TV series inspired by Gene Roddenberry's vision of exploring today's societal problems in a science fiction setting. Seth McFarland is a genius. 54 seconds.
Pilot 2k posts, incept 2008-10-15
2022-11-07 09:42:34

Our Representative Republic has been a joke, probably at least as long as i have been alive. 60+ years. We no longer have one. What we do have is a classic Oligarchy. Rule by the most powerful (read $$$,Influence, bribery, and crime).

At some point enough pain will come for enough of us who are supposed to be "represented" to spur revolution. Until then just more of the same.

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Saw-whet 38 posts, incept 2021-08-11
2022-11-07 09:43:14

Kudos to the Tickerman for the great lesson in civics. It is to be lamented that this is not taught in the Government brain laundries any more.

A good example of The Tyranny of the Majority-(democracy) in action is our medical mis-care $ystem. The woo floo was a perfect example but we see it in action in every other aspect too.

For example the poo pooing of the benefits of lifestyle changes I.E: exercise, diet, keto etc.

On a somewhat related note may I recommend today's article by Dr. Joseph Mercola over at Lew Rockwell that espouses the benefits of lifestyle changes, particularly keto and carnivore diets.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/11/jose....
Kwwilson 153 posts, incept 2022-03-02
2022-11-07 10:08:39

Absolutely agreed, Karl.
Unfortunately my homeland country of birth has never even pretended to have the principles of a republic. (That is, individual sovereignty.)
The government here claims to be simultaneously a constitutional monarchy (ie. a sovereign king who owns even the people, but with limits on paper) and a parliamentary democracy (ie. a tyranny of the majority (of elected representatives) which is entitled to that same right of ownership of the people, but with limits imposed by aforementioned king), Neither of these beliefs respect the right of an individual to differ, or not go along.
This would be no trouble at all if, as was the case a little over 100 years ago, one could simply book passage to a nation whose principles were more aligned with your own. However, as became clear quite sometime ago, and was under scored during the pandemic, my Canadian passport in fact represents ownership of my residency, life, and productivity. Much like a hall pass in elementary school, it is a permission to leave the reservation temporarily but also A permanent record of who is entitled to drag you back if they so choose. As I understand, some ex-pat Chinese are currently experiencing this as well.
I am not at this point financially self-sufficient without an income, and my current sources of income are not sufficiently location independent.
International relocation would be extremely challenging even if I was able to identify a jurisdiction that satisfied my governmental, cultural, and climate desires. Besides, at the moment I am not aware of anywhere that ticks enough of these boxes. We joke about Texas, but they have their own cultural issues, as well as the fact that (legal) immigration is a challenge. And residency without citizenship still leaves me subject to the whims of the government recorded on my passport.
I am firmly of the belief that nothing larger than a city state can be effectively governed for the benefit of the population. Perhaps after what I expect to be the upcoming period of instability, we will return to much more locally directed authorities.
Dingleberry 566 posts, incept 2011-11-06
2022-11-07 10:09:47

Speaking of "democracy".....is there anything more outlandishly heinous and hypocritical than the Washington (Com)Post credo of "democracy dies in darkness"? Pretty much all of the social and mainstream media is like that today, trash heaps full of evil propaganda.

Democracy = mob rule. Our founders knew this and wrote a Constitution with this in mind. Public schools used to teach why we had inalienable rights, the tyranny of the majority, etc. and how we were politically a unique republic in this world. And why we have an electoral college, which incidentally the marxist dems want to get rid of.

Today pubik skoolz and universities are now marxist-producing idiot factories. This does not bode well for our future. We have been trending this way for a generation or two.

Unless things change (and quick), once the millennials take the reins of power, they will have a "democracy" alright.....but not the utopia they expect.....but more akin to the "Democratic" People's Republic of Korea.

Enjoy the tyranny, starvation, blackouts, etc.

You won't ever vote yourself to wealth kids. Learn this now.

Once takers really start to pinch the makers.....its lights out. Literally.
Chilzany 134 posts, incept 2021-09-16
2022-11-07 10:10:25

This. It disturbs me deeply everytime I hear or see the phrase "our democracy". It's as if people never had U.S. Government in high school (10th grade if I recall), never understood the difference. I wonder (benefit of a doubt) if many that "democracy" is shorthand/same difference as/for "constitutional republic" (too many syllables? too hard to spell?).

I'd like to see the curriculum that is being used these days. Back when I had the class, the teacher had the curriculum so memorized, she never glanced at her notes, just talked from memory every single day. We students sometimes made fun of her behind her back for it. It was boring having her drone on and on from memory, but am now thankful she did. Solid grounding in the subject of BoR, 3 co-equal arms of gov with distinctly different roles, difference between Senate and HoR, process for constitutional amendments, etc, from her. She focused on the basics, no deviation from the memorized curriculum.

Watergate, Impeachment, Nixon's resignation all happened during those formative education political awareness years for me. They were not current affairs discussions in my history/gov classes since the teacher focused on the basics without attempts to apply to current affairs. Impeachment came up as an extemporaneous 5-minute speech topic in Jr. English class. I drew the subject as random draw from the hat. I'd do a better job with it today with 40+ years of perspective added.

I will use this ticker with younger family members to extent I can get them to read what I put under their noses to think about. and share with slightly younger friends who may be clueless as well, to extent they are willing to read and/or discuss.
Flappingeagle 4k posts, incept 2011-04-14
2022-11-07 10:22:16

If I thought that voting tomorrow would kill democracy in the USA I'd vote 10 FUCKING TIMES!

Flap

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Ktrosper 5k posts, incept 2010-04-06
2022-11-07 10:22:26

Spanky wrote..
Gang rape = democracy in action. That's why we have a Constitutional Republic.

Bingo.

Great ticker, KD. Thank you. Sent to my boys/fam.

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Joedirt11 79 posts, incept 2022-07-08
2022-11-07 10:24:25

Karl, I'm not sure where you lived in FL but the month of March 2020 was the only month that the state of FL was shut down. Come April I was out having drinks and dinner with clients. I can name dates and restaurants. A little place called Seed to Table in Naples comes to mind. It's a very upscale grocery store with multiple restaurants and bars. The owner gave Collier county the finger in regards to their mask mandate at the time. I still run into Karens today that hate the owner and won't go there. Just makes it a better place. :) If your ever in Naples I suggest you pay the place a visit.

That said, there were places that did not reopen in April or even May for that matter. That was the owners choice. There were many business owners that were too afraid of the coof to open.

I believe some of the larger cities like Miami and Tampa may have remained closed longer do to their local gov's but here in SW FL we don't always play by the same rules the rest of the state does.
Tickerguy 190k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-11-07 10:26:37

I lived in one of the most redneck parts of the state for 20 years.

Don't try to tell me that said area, the ENTIRE area not just one little town or another, wasn't shut down. The Hell it wasn't and the Hell I didn't wind up having to order sushi for DELIVERY the night before I closed on my house.

There was not a single fucking thing open other than truck stops between TN and FL during that period of time either, and while the gas was very cheap (nice when you're hauling a fully-loaded trailer containing your house several times) in terms of anything else -- not so much.

And a couple of weeks later when NW FL "reopened" and I came back down to say goodbye to people I couldn't BECAUSE of the cocksucking piece of shit DeSATAN that so-called "reopening" was bullshit too. No bar service (at all), originally no indoor dining or drinking (at all) and then they ran even more bullshit where "only your party can be together" with mandatory spacing between tables, no bar service, etc.

And NO, this was NOT local authorities -- this was STATE regulations under threat of revoking STATE liquor licenses so cut the bullshit and stop lying on my forum. You can have any opinion you want around here but if you blatantly LIE about something I KNOW is factual your ass is going to be struck with the door on the way out.

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Mrbobo 61 posts, incept 2021-12-01
2022-11-07 10:29:11

One can only think it's the false connotation of agency that the word projects to idiots when the reality is intimidation. Like all things in the evil or stupid debate; when I hear the pervert in chief's recent speeches it is hard to tell whether the constant bleating of the word democracy is indicative of dipshit speech writers or crude NLP.
The same thing goes with the constantly changing modifiers on MAGA he keeps trying to make a thing. Nazi is played out and MAGA is substituted but they still can't find a catchy enough branding.
Wifi 10k posts, incept 2013-02-13
2022-11-07 10:43:46

Quote:
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/documents/1776....

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