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 Putin's Gauntlet
Msheff 55 posts, incept 2018-05-03
2022-09-22 21:30:32

Phils wrote..

President Putin has become a liability for Russia. ... There is no workable recovery plan. He needs to be replaced.

Maybe he remembers what that nice Ms. V Nuland said and did in the country of U circa 2014. Maybe he knows what position she holds now. Maybe he thinks your suggestion is the objective of the NATO support. Maybe he's not willing to go quietly.
Bakerv 855 posts, incept 2021-04-21
2022-09-22 21:55:24

What some don't seem to understand is that there is no need for carpet bombing, massive destruction of infrastructure, no need to lay waste to the majority of the citizenry.

When winter comes and there is no light, no heat, nothing of basic sustenance that all manner of nations around the periphery of Ukraine, needs and wants, then it is a simple matter of sitting back, fighting a low-intensity to mid-intensity war of attrition on a nation of no internal means of support and waiting for the inevitable to occur.

We, as in the not so Untied States, cannot muster, nor are we willing to engage in a world war involving the transference of troops across oceans, the build up of a massive force capable of waging a land war in northern Europe.

So in the end it will be a whimpering shuffling shell of Europe who goes begging to Putin for the things necessary to continue life. There is no stomach for war among those currently sending weapons and all manner of trinkets and baubles that are being shuffled off into the vast bazaars and markets of third world shitholes.

And there is certainly no stomach for pushing buttons to unleash the hole cards that everyone has and no one will ever use.

Putin has in the end taken all the shit thrown at him by the vacuous fucktards who think they own the world and can dictate terms across borders and oceans and crafted a plan exposing and leveraging the weaknesses and the vulnerabilities of those fucktards and is now in position to change the world. In my opinion for the better.

The only thing that stops him is the oldest trick in the book...



Traelin0 463 posts, incept 2021-01-28
2022-09-22 22:41:24

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Trannys? Hood rats? Karens? Soccer moms?

Score us a line of trebuchets and I for one will help lob all of the above over the city walls. Taking out the trash is so overdue it's ridiculous.
Mooreshawnm 39 posts, incept 2010-03-16
2022-09-23 07:20:03

Rarely have you been so very very wrong.
Jack_crabb 15k posts, incept 2010-06-25
2022-09-23 08:35:22

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Rarely have you been so very very wrong.


Wow, I expect more from someone that has been here at TF for over 12 years. Either rationally lay out your arguments or take your 39 posts, go home and don't come back.

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Molon Labe
Where is Henry Bowman when you need him?
How many are willing to pledge this? We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor
Picklenick 7 posts, incept 2022-06-09
2022-09-23 08:50:45

I recently read an article that attempted to add a plan B. Plan A for the west was to support Ukraine and the puppet proxy government installed by Obama and Biden. This hasnt gone so well for the west. Plan B is now to get Germany more involved in an attempt to destabilize its economy. Germany is one of if not the biggest economy in the EU and is basically holding it together at this point since UK Brexited. The purpose of this is to ultimately break the EU from dependence on Russian energy, so the US can start supplying higher cost energy and can prop up its already disastrous economy a little longer to fight the unstoppable Multipolar world that is developing quickly. This will spell the end of the Dollar as the worlds only reserve currency.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-23 08:57:56

Meh @Picklenick.....

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Hobbled 151 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-09-23 12:14:07

What I don't get is exactly that. We supposedly believe in self-determination as that is in OUR historical DNA. But because we chose a representative Republic form does NOT mean that is the only acceptable outcome of government realignment from a previous form. No, I do not wish to live in Russia or China. But I also reject pure democracies even if they exist and parliamentarian monarchies (ding dong the Queen is dead long live the Queen - I don't care if the British loved her, ain't none my affair). I am partial to the Republic form if we could get it back to where it belongs. If these folk are free to choose and they choose Russia so be it. Don't care and is not worth the first drop of American blood or any amount of American money to thwart THEIR will.
Hobbled 151 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-09-23 12:33:54

I have 2 sons in uniform. Gotta say I am sick of those who say the military is for suckers serving the Evil Empire. My 2 scored high on the ACT - 29 and 31. They choose to join, one after getting his Associates degree. They are not stupid or naive. They are hard working intelligent, Christian men and not crayon eaters. If you knew them you would be proud men like them are serving you and your loved ones. We need men like them. No nation can survive without a military. No, the onus is on the politicians to use this precious American asset wisely and not as cannon fodder for power or wealth of their ambitions. Nope my boys are honorable it is the political that is disconnected and Dishonorable.
Bakerv 855 posts, incept 2021-04-21
2022-09-23 13:00:33

@Hobbled

Were they able to navigate around the vax mandate for the military?

Sounds like fine young men.
Jack_crabb 15k posts, incept 2010-06-25
2022-09-23 14:14:45

Yeah, @Hobbled, your sons do sound like fine men. But, if fine men are being led by utter shitstains in the senior NCO and officer ranks, which they are, where does that leave fine, young, honorable men?

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Molon Labe
Where is Henry Bowman when you need him?
How many are willing to pledge this? We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor
Edward.fish 333 posts, incept 2021-12-17
2022-09-23 14:53:28

Jack_crabb wrote..
But, if fine men are being led by utter shitstains in the senior NCO and officer ranks, which they are, where does that leave fine, young, honorable men?

@Jack_crabb -- TBH, broken.

I suspect that is one of the major underlying causes of the monstrous military suicide rates.
Hobbled 151 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-09-23 18:14:28

Agreed jack. And we talked about that before they joined. I personally was not overjoyed - but one in particular is in the USCG and it doesn't surprise me. Since he was really young he had a rush to danger/strong desire to help and protect people in danger personality. So his choice is really no surprise. Both are strong mentally intellectually and morally and I am proud of them - not the military.
Hence my comments. Don't bad mouth those who obey the orders - pray for them and encourage them to understand the U.S. Code of military justice to know what is and is not a lawful command and to put everything on the block to stand against the Constitutionally illegal. I did what I could to teach them in homeschool and now they are men who must make their own decisions. And for pete sake let's all hold the civilian leadership accountable as much as we can. And no I never meant to imply I have seen such sentiment here, but I do see it in so called conservative posts. We need men like mine. And there are many fine ones besides mine who I think want to serve you.
Hobbled 151 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-09-23 18:20:38

So don't really care but why the down vote. Do you think we don't need a military at all? I know my sons serve with yahoos but there are many good men and women who need our support. Do we turn it over completely to the PC tranny BLM Antifa affirmative action crowd who couldn't hit the barn door from the inside with all the doors shut? We would be in far worse danger if all good men and women shunned the uniformed services.
Disgusted 415 posts, incept 2021-07-20
2022-09-23 19:28:30

Hobbled, This has nothing to do with how fine your sons are. The simple fact is no one should be joining the military, especially at this time. It's a dysfunctional fucking mess right now from the Shitler and Chief to Fully dysfunctional Milley, and on down the ranks. By joining, young people are supporting this shit show. If no one joined it would force the bastards to institute a draft and would show the assclowns and everyone in the country something is terribly fucking wrong if no one supported the clown car brigade. Also the simple fact is everyone "in charge" have absolutely no problem sacrificing YOUR sons and wouldn't give a rats ass to send them to die for whatever idiotic idea they have. Rationalize all you want, but those are the undeniable facts.
Fumei 3k posts, incept 2019-01-08
2022-09-23 19:53:43

We would be better off if they killed the domestic enemies with the same zeal that they killed foreign enemies. They have not, so I will continue to refer to them as green goons.
Hobbled 151 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-09-23 21:27:09

Hmmm. Food for thought I guess. But sure leaves the entire U.S. vulnerable - including everyone here, some who could make a change including our venerable host. Or as I wonder, if fine people are out what we have left would be American Republic, freedom hating members who would love nothing better than turning the F-18 and tanks etc. on all dissenters. They have already bragged of this. The military and it's hardware exist it is only a matter of when where how and on whom it is used. Foreign soils or domestic. It doesn't just disappear. And fwiw I will restate I am proud of mine and the other fine people they serve with they tell me about. I am not proud of the military and civilian leadership. It pains me to say we have lost our way and we will all suffer. As we all know war is hell. Even Victor's suffer. I fear there will be no Victor's in what is coming.
Ncrown 11 posts, incept 2021-07-24
2022-09-23 23:02:21

@Hobbled - tell your boys to get out at the next exit. While they may be honorable men, those honorable men have no place serving dishonorable men.

And, as for those freedom hating members who would love to turn their F-18s and tanks on their own backyards... bring it. The quicker the better. Let's get this shit show started so that we can hit rock-bottom and rebuild again.
Hobbled 151 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-09-24 08:50:18

Wow. Didn't mean to cause trouble. I understand our .gov is out of control at all levels. Further admit that it needs to be fixed, we are in desperate straits at local state and fed level. A fight is being prepared for us we are being goaded into it. And we should have the brass to not fear it. Trying to take in what several here, where I consider the host and commenters more rational than anywhere else. But for all good people to abandon gov work? Never really thought about it at that level. I hope the good ones are keeping the bad ones in check to keep them from going full retard on us. I would rather the good use their position to sabotage the plans of the bad from the inside. Wishful thinking I know. Evil is more difficult to beat than that.

Will have to ponder on that. I am with you guys and wish I could have a sweet tea with you once a week to have these conversations in person. Too many are asleep to what is going on and I get blank stares when I try to engage like this. Not trying to cause trouble Karl on your site, I appreciate the chance to learn and flesh things out with like-minded (more or less) folk.
Asimov 138k posts, incept 2007-08-26
2022-09-24 09:29:57

Hobbled: Just FYI - many times thumbs down on posts that don't seem to justify one are simply a miss click. It's particularly easy on mobile.

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It's justifiably immoral to deal morally with an immoral entity.

Festina lente.
Iou 1k posts, incept 2009-03-16
2022-09-24 10:24:48

@Fumei,
"We would be better off if they killed the domestic enemies with the same zeal that they killed foreign enemies. They have not, so I will continue to refer to them as green goons."

We would all be dead already as WE are the domestic enemies.

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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies
Hobbled 151 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-09-24 10:24:53

Asimov- not worried about that. Been outside the in'group my whole life. I admit to being weird and I am comfortable with that. I just love the discussion and chance to refine my thoughts to try and be consistent in my worldview. I wanted to initiate the conversation. Thought provoking.
Jack_crabb 15k posts, incept 2010-06-25
2022-09-24 10:25:14

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But for all good people to abandon gov work? Never really thought about it at that level. I hope the good ones are keeping the bad ones in check to keep them from going full retard on us.


Nope. Ain't happening. No f'ing way. Sorry, but it's the truth.


As for this:
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Wow. Didn't mean to cause trouble.

Robust conversations around questions of our time is why a lot of us are here (and love this place). Don't apologize for bringing up tough topics. (Perhaps the only issue is it is running a Market-Ticker post off-topic. Probably not fair to our genial host. Do you have access to The Bar where this topic could be further explored - if you are interested?)


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Molon Labe
Where is Henry Bowman when you need him?
How many are willing to pledge this? We mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor
Dbigkahunna 383 posts, incept 2010-01-10
2022-09-24 10:32:25

Voyager, the oil destined for Keystone heads west to BC then to the far east or California. Production did not shut down or drilling because of the Keystone action. The illusion of Ametican energy independence came from the availibility of cheap capital to finance drilling.
Nobody was making money except for those furnishing the capital. They were getting their funds @ 3% skimming 20% and getting 8% of the action. When it busted out in 2015 and 2020, they pulled out. Yea the price of energy was cheap in 2020 and early 2021. The wells drilled in 2019 and 2020 were peaking.
Then the inevetable well decline hit. Production started falling.
Prices started rising.
But by 2021 availibility of capital had dried up. No one wanted to put capital at risk. And cost were rising.
The exploration companies went back to basics and a bunch went Tango Uniform. Today, the production companies have gotten production back to pre-pandemic levels.
But they are chasing the tiger.
When something breaks and drilling slows down, within 12-18 months we will be back to mid 2022.
Putin understands this. The price of crude is a world wide price and this is set on the margins.
Does the US have enough energy to supply itself?
Yes.
But at a higher cost than most will want to pay. And definitely not enough to supply our needs and the requirements of a hot war in eastern Europe. Unless dear leader believes this will be supplied from our allies in the middle-east who we have gone out our way to piss off.

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Blessed, Grateful and Living a Dream
Ckaminski 6k posts, incept 2011-04-08
2022-09-24 11:15:43

Coast guard is the only branch of service I considered applying to. They're helping folks every day. Yes they still got sent to shitholes to fight in foreign wars, but generally they're saving Americans every day and not working on toppling regimes for political points or to feed the MIC.

Generally. There's always exceptions.
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