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 Putin's Gauntlet
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-09-22 11:03:53

Judge Napolitano has a youtube channel that is worth viewing. He has had several interviews with Scott Ritter and Doug Macgregor about the Russian/Ukrainian situation. Needless to say, what these people are saying is quite a bit different than what we're getting from the MSM.

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"It's the future, and...you're not."
Iou 1k posts, incept 2009-03-16
2022-09-22 11:46:47

@Hapie, War is a very profitable business for those in power. The objective is no longer about winning. It is about fleecing the citizens of the west for as much as they can get away with. The playbook is well used...

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Disgusted 415 posts, incept 2021-07-20
2022-09-22 11:46:52

The Shitler administration is illegitimate so anything that mashed potato head MF'er says is illegitimate. I'm surprised Putin has put up with attacks on Crimea and the ships there. Looks like that's coming to an end. Eventually he's going to shoot at U.S. satellites that are used for targeting with the missiles that were sent to Ukraine. They are a legitimate target for Russia, since they are part of the weapons systems used against them. Let's see how long it takes for him to figure that one out. What will our response be? That would be a huge escalation.
Also, Medvedev made it clear this morning that nukes are on the table if any Russian territory is threatened; including any newly acquired areas. The Ukrainian "government" is also threatening anyone voting in the referendums with prison. It just keeps getting worse and worse, because our incompetent assclowns do everything wrong. At some point there will be a miscalculation and things will get completely out of control. If anyone thinks anyone in the Shitler Administration has the brains to get out of this without nukes flying, you are fucking delusional.
Hstella 1k posts, incept 2009-08-18
2022-09-22 11:46:56

Right now the Russian "partial mobilization" is limited to calling up the reserves (and only a few of their reserve forces). There is no talk of a draft at this time except in the west. However, consider the US position regarding Montenegro seceding from Serbia. The contradiction is glaring. "It's righteous if we do it but unholy if you do the same thing" is a horrible foreign policy.
K5555 100 posts, incept 2021-04-18
2022-09-22 11:47:04

Nothing says your cause is a just and popular cause with full support of the population so much as threatening to prosecute and jail voters for 12 years as Ukraine is doing...
Quote:
According to her (Ukrainian Deputy PM Vereshchuk), Ukrainian citizens' would risk facing criminal prosecution and jail time of up to 12 years if they participate in referendums on joining Russia. During a national broadcast, Deputy PM Vereshchuk stressed, "There are not and will not be any referendums on our Ukrainian land. It is all a farce and a circus.

https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/09/06/ukr....

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Fight like you are the third monkey on the ramp to Noah's Ark and it is starting to rain.
Leber 48 posts, incept 2021-11-27
2022-09-22 11:57:35

Democratic Ukraine is threatening 5 years hard time if you vote.

In 2014 places like Crimea, Donetsk, and Mariupol voted by 97-98% for independence from Kiev and/or joining the Russian Federation.
If that had been Putin's plan [as everybody claims] he would not have delayed for 8 years.

Judging by the number of votes <2014 for Janukovich and the Party of Regions, more than 80% of the people identify with the Russian-Ukrainian side ... in fact these people represent a slight majority of the entire population of Ukraine. People easily forget that the Ukrainian Army units from this territory defected and became the LDNR militias, and that it is not Ukrainians fighting Russians, but that the frontlines are predominantly Ukrainians fighting Ukrainians. Places like Mariupol were subject to violent occupation by the Azov battalion (and other town by other similar Nazi gangs). Ukraine has been talking about extermination on public TV and kidnapping & shelling civilians for the entire period since the coup among those who did not want to recognize it.

Putin would not be holding a referendum if he did not know in advance that upwards of 80% of the population favors independence from the Kiev regime, especially since many have fled, either to Russia or to Kiev-controlled territory (where nobody will be voting).
Phils 133 posts, incept 2018-02-07
2022-09-22 11:58:36

President Putin has become a liability for Russia. He badly misread the social mood of Ukraine,
Europe, and the USA. He is in an unwinnable situation.

There is no workable recovery plan. He needs to be replaced.


Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-22 11:59:04

Yeah, sounds like a great plan. Let's get a hard line old Soviet style guy there instead.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Kolya02 46 posts, incept 2021-08-20
2022-09-22 12:02:57

@Neal
Quote:

It is a certainty that the vote will be for joining Russia. Im sure there are many irregularities such as pro Ukraine and ethnic Ukrainians from those regions will not have voted as they fled west to Ukraine proper or to take refuge in the EU. But with those regions being predominantly ethnic Russians, and with Russia being much better off economically than Ukraine, the result will be an honest reflection of the will of the locals.


The mistaken assumption here is that ethnic Ukrainians needed to flee these regions due to ethnic/national repression. Yes the Ukrainians claim it, but with the ubiquity of cell phones and Telegram channels devoted to this Special Military Operation, without having seen a SINGLE video of citizens murdered or raped, soldiers tortured, or citizens threatened by the Russian military or residents of those Republics, I call bullshit. AS usual, the 180-degree OPPOSITE is true: the rape, murder, and repression have all come from one side against the other. Any supporter of the Ukraine who wanted to stay in these regions could have done so and voiced his or her opinion, period.
Hapie 258 posts, incept 2020-07-25
2022-09-22 12:05:08

@Iou "War is a very profitable business for those in power. The objective is no longer about winning. It is about fleecing the citizens of the west for as much as they can get away with. The playbook is well used..."

All the more reason we need to get rid of them ASAP!

TPTB got a lot more aggressive after 9/11, in their money and power grab, and now they are at the height of it.

It has all been pre-planned and the perpetrators are highly motivated while those who have been robbed and now being enslaved have been too busy getting brainwashed by the MSM.

Windellmc 105 posts, incept 2012-02-26
2022-09-22 12:11:18

Yeah all the neocons on social media think getting rid of Putin will solve everything. They never seem to think they just might get a real Hitler or Stalin instead.
Baltgayveteran 78 posts, incept 2021-09-16
2022-09-22 12:11:23

@Jdough: "...That's the big question. My take is Putin's plan is this:

...3. Declare the Special Operation complete and a success

The problem is that by all appearances Ukraine has seized the initiative in the war and I don't think they or their western backers will want to stop pressing, they will want to test this red line...."

Russia will take Odessa too.

The Ukrainians got slaughtered at Kherson. They also had terrible losses at Kharkiv. One can easily argue they won a Pyrrhic victory and they simply don't have the manpower and equipment for further counter-offensives.

Keep in mind that once cold weather hits the EU that the EU won't be in a position to send more weapons/funds to the neo-Nazis in Ukraine.


Leber 48 posts, incept 2021-11-27
2022-09-22 12:12:02

@K5555

My source was quoting 5-10 years.

Incidentally, Putin does not control the nukes by himself.
Four parties have to agree, unless there has already been a strike.
Any first-strike decapitation of the leadership results in an automatic "dead man's switch" to launch everything they have.

People are making too much of this. Russia will not throw around nukes if Ukraine does not respect the sovereignty of the new oblasts. The threat must be existential, which means the viability of the Russian state is being threatened.

Putin clearly mentioned the nukes in response to nuclear blackmail by Western leaders (such as Liz Truss & Pentagon spokesmen) who have been talking of pressing the button, in conjunction with the continued shelling of the Zaporizhzhia NPP. Russian spokesmen have not even mentioned the term "tactical nuclear" strike.
Jdough 218 posts, incept 2012-05-04
2022-09-22 12:33:38

@Baltgayveteran said:
Quote:
Russia will take Odessa too.

The Ukrainians got slaughtered at Kherson. They also had terrible losses at Kharkiv. One can easily argue they won a Pyrrhic victory and they simply don't have the manpower and equipment for further counter-offensives.

Keep in mind that once cold weather hits the EU that the EU won't be in a position to send more weapons/funds to the neo-Nazis in Ukraine.


Anything's possible, the fog of war and information operations are so thick around this conflict that unless one is plugged into non-public sources it's hard to say for sure what the real situation is. But I don't think the reservist mobilization, referendum push and new red lines coming right on the heels of the Ukrainian counter-offensive are a matter of coincidence.

One day, if we're lucky, we can read a more accurate accounting of the history of this war.

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Hstella 1k posts, incept 2009-08-18
2022-09-22 12:33:45

The Kiev regime threatened citizens with jailtime for just accepting Russian humanitarian aid.
Jw. 559 posts, incept 2019-10-10
2022-09-22 13:20:40

Since when have facts come between a politician and some war profiteering?

It was bad when only the Republicans were the war hungry party, now both parties get wet in the panties when the sniff of MIC profits come their way.

DC wants this war nearly unanimously, it will happen, it's simply a matter of time.

Buckle up Buttercup, we're in for nasty weather.

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The spending must continue, until it can't.
Scott9mm 24 posts, incept 2021-08-08
2022-09-22 13:20:49

International relations are based on power and wealth. Principles matter only to the extent they are useful in marshalling domestic opinion and support. There are always exceptions, like cases where the outcome doesn't matter.

In this case, I think the NATO countries see this as an opportunity to minimize Russia for a long time, especially considering Russian demographics and general decay of their intellectual infrastructure.

About Russia I am less certain. Was this a miscalculation of a desperate last opportunity to fix long-standing geographic vulnerabilities?

But Ukraine is the puzzle. What did/does Ukraine hope to gain from this war? A small number of individuals will certainly be enriched but most of the population will flee or be killed and the infrastructure will be a shambles. What possible outcome would be good for Ukraine? And that begs the question, which side is Ukrainian leadership really on?
Scott9mm 24 posts, incept 2021-08-08
2022-09-22 13:20:55

Supplemental to my post just now. Collateral (and predictable) results of the Ukraine war include global food, fertilizer, and energy shortages. Could these be the actual goals of the US engineering this conflict? Maybe "engineering" is too strong but this war would not be happening without US and NATO support.
Bakerv 855 posts, incept 2021-04-21
2022-09-22 13:21:00

@Phils forgot the "sarc" tag.
Jack_crabb 15k posts, incept 2010-06-25
2022-09-22 13:21:07

Quote:
The Kiev regime threatened citizens with jailtime for just accepting Russian humanitarian aid.


Because the Kiev regime are benevolent dicktaters, right?

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Where is Henry Bowman when you need him?
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Reason: forgot this wasn't the Bar and needed to be reviewed by Karl
Mannfm11 8k posts, incept 2009-02-28
2022-09-22 13:22:48

Hopefully this will be real short. It isn't Russia. It is the US establishment looking for the next war. The US State Department seemed to buy into the mess in the former Yugoslavia (Too many countries and somewhat ignorant of the total mess), but find a place to create a bogeyman, they ignore the same ethnic cleansing, including NAZI's to create a conflict.

There is nothing more dangerous to a free Republic than a constant state of War and Emergency. If we don't have an enemy, create one. Throw in Russia is a source of hydrocarbons and strategic metals and the leadership of the west appears to favor continual crisis, what better enemy.

This stuff all started when Putin closed the door to the Western criminals looting the country. It isn't racism the West is guilty of, but looting countries of their mineral wealth around the world. NY and London didn't like Putin stopping them. The rule is let us rape you and you will be okay.

Right now, Fox Business has a neocon demonizing Putin. We get a full stream of the war party. Contrary to popular thought, Donald Trump was probably the only President that wasn't a neocon since Coolidge. Obama did his preaching, then Clinton and Kerry went around the world and made messes. Democrat Administrations sow the seeds for war, Republicans carry them on with bipartisan support, the Democrats play the peace party. This has been going on all my life.

What are they doing now? Biden seems to think military presents too big a challenge to Americans with AR 15's, so deems them useless. How well did the US military do in Vietnam, Afghanistan or Iraq? Yeah we blew the hell out of them, but lost a war of attrition. The USSR lost a war of attrition in Afghanistan and likely went broke waging the war. No one has a military capable of occupying 3 million square miles, full of armed citizens, unless almost all the citizens agree, not even Joe Biden, with his F-15's.

I was listening to an analyst on the Duran. He stated that NATO forces would have had problems with a ground war against Ukraine. War of occupation depends on supply lines, the main reason Russia has never been conquered. In Hogan's Heroes, the joke was always a German getting assigned to the Russian front. The fear was always the USSR invading Europe. Air superiority was always our ace in the hole. I'm not sure the West has such an advantage today. Maybe for a week or 2, but then the supply line catches up.

How much US political corruption has been channelled through Ukraine the past 18 or so years. All 4 years of Trump a war was waged in DC to keep Trump's hands off Ukraine and Russia. Any discussion with Russia was reported as if it was treason. Zelensky was installed by the US neocons and I believe Trump was set up by them and Zelensky, on that phone call. Ukrainian Vindman was the head guard, a product of NY Ukrainian mafia.

The point here is the territory in Ukraine that is in conflict was no different than any other mapping mistake in Eastern Europe that has led to conflict. The solution to all of this was simple, but it would have avoided the next cold war. DC and London couldn't have that.

Lastly, what most people don't seem to understand is Ukraine was the western frontier of the USSR. Much of the USSR military was there. It wasn't an insignificant part of the USSR. We aren't talking about Arkansas in the scheme of things, but more like California. Being where it is, it was also likely the center of organized crime. The standard of living in Russia is much higher than Ukraine, as revealed by the retirement checks received, if one qualifies for one from Russia. Why are we backing a criminal state?

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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
Heartlander 2k posts, incept 2021-02-25
2022-09-22 13:31:41

"Putin is backed into a corner" or "desperate" cracks me up. Notice the timing of all this -- just days after Putin, Xi, Modi, Raisi, and the leaders of a dozen other countries got together in Samarkand for the meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Not only was Mr. Putin clearly the animating force in that gathering, but new countries are salivating to get into the group. Check out that meeting -- which most Americans were utterly oblivious of, but which will go down in the history books as a pivot point.

And for a real, instant antidote to Western caricatures of V. Putin, watch at least a little of this 30-minute press conference Putin did on the sidelines of that SCO meeting.

https://thesaker.is/vladimir-putin-press....

Observe a man who is cool, competent, confident, and in totally calm control. He was like that to begin with -- that is his character, known for many years by those who actually study the man -- but now he has the additional confidence that comes from knowing that the countries that together have nearly half the world's population have got his back.

The partial mobilization and the four regions' referenda are not things that were thrown together quickly in desperation. They have required long, detailed preparation. Nevertheless, the timing of their kicking into gear -- on the heels of the historic SCO meeting -- cannot be insignificant.


Disgusted 415 posts, incept 2021-07-20
2022-09-22 13:45:50

This is a good article explaining Putin's and Russia's plan:

https://sputniknews.com/20220921/checkma....

The only problem is it assumes that there is any sanity with the maniacs in DC and the Ukrainian Nazi's. I just don't see that the war will end no matter what the referendums say. "This side" will say that it was a sham and just continue to attack and the other side will keep responding to the attacks until something gets out of control. It's not going to stop, there's too much money to be made and there's no brains on "this side".

Jpg 721 posts, incept 2009-03-23
2022-09-22 13:46:04

@jack_crabb

To be followed by

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Packetcap 705 posts, incept 2021-07-23
2022-09-22 13:46:10

Quote:
President Putin has become a liability for Russia. He badly misread the social mood of Ukraine,
Europe, and the USA. He is in an unwinnable situation.

There is no workable recovery plan. He needs to be replaced.


Apparently @phils believes that Putin is a singular dictator that controls an entire nation on his own. There aren't any other elected bodies or agendas. Of if there are, they exist for show. LOL

Replacing another nation's elected leader because they do things you don't approve of is standard Washington neocon nonsense. .
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