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Phoenix800 97 posts, incept 2021-09-18
2022-09-21 20:52:43

My friend's elderly father, in his early 80's, just had four hours of surgery to unblock his intestines. Scar tissue surrounding his hernia mesh has him all messed up. My friend was told that his father may not survive the trauma of the surgery.

My doc has been bugging me for 15 years to go get a hernia mesh installed. No friggin way dude...

They want us as sick as possible so that they can extract funds treating the problems. The media will cover up any 'unfortunate' deaths.

I have relatives who work in the medical industry. They have a signficantly higher standard of living than I do.

It's all fucked up. Morals are either gone or never existed in the first place.

How is it that humanity has surived for so long but now everyone needs at least five prescriptions to get through the day?
Ronniemcghee 276 posts, incept 2012-07-28
2022-09-21 22:22:16

No I won't forget or forgive.
I will always remember this ~

DoD civilians will be suspended without pay and then fired if they do not get vaccinated | Federal News Network

Margbp 58 posts, incept 2021-12-02
2022-09-21 22:50:49

Human beings are selfish and self centered by nature. Some of that can be good when it's used for a healthy self preservation. But in our leisure- driven, pleasure-seeking, soft world that has metastasized into full- blown narcissism. It's everywhere,at every level. One guy might get into politics to get his narcissistic supply but your neighbor harrassed shoppers without a mask or relatives who wouldn't get a vaccine to get her fix.

And they came out of the woodwork. From the manager of a office supply store enforcing strict but made-up covid protocols that were completely different than the business next door, the liberians who wouldn't open until long after every other facility, the ninny who sends out the email asking what the covid protocols are for an outdoor event to the so-called local health commissioner who has zero training in infectious diseases.

Narcissists double- down. They never admit mistakes. They gaslight. They play the victim. They don't care about you. They only care about what they want at the moment. They don't consider long range consequences. They get off on making you react. That's actually more of a high than getting what they want.

And the ones who aren't the narcissists are the enablers.

Maybe some doctor or nurse wasn't the narcissist but was the enabler to the narcissistic hospital administrator who issued forth the decrees. Or the priest who went along with locking his church was the enabler to the narcissistic bishop.

So I don't know if there's a "grand plan" afoot but I think many, many people took advantage of opportunities to bully others and as narcissists they didn't consider long range consequences and their enablers were happy to help.

Narcissists only learn from a hard stop.
Chilzany 125 posts, incept 2021-09-16
2022-09-21 23:07:39

@Ronniemcghee, same story, different dept. The Deadline was my "it's time" moment to pull the retirement trigger.

I'm working still to regain health with support of naturapath after the extended stress of being under that job/vax threat, while I was also still dealing with the stress of being the long/close distance caregiver for each of my parents through end-of-life during the 3 years prior while still trying to work fulltime and manage their financial and daily wellbeing consecutively as executor/caregiver.

After my dad passed, a traditional medicine heart doc kept trying to persuade my 87 yo mother to undergo aortic stent surgery in 2019-20, thankfully I was present the first time they presented her with that idea, and sheltered her from their pressure to undergo surgery over the next year. An anesthesiologist had told us the year before (different surgery), that she could blink out on the table under anesthesia at a moments notice due to heart condition and he wouldn't be able to bring her back.

That conversation happened in the minutes prior to going under. Cardiologist had given the green light. At that time, I was still honoring her as mature adult capable of making her own decisions tho she attempted to defer to me even then due to indecisiveness and passiveness symptomatic of Parkinsons condition. I could have lost her then in the next 15 minutes, but didn't, to my everlasting relief. That experience however armed me and forewarned me when the next (aortic sten) battle materialized, and I sheltered her from that next battle using my power of attorney for healthcare.

A very advanced elderly Parkinson's patient becomes very passive, not all that capable of making good decisions without a close relative to protect them from mmoney-hungry surgeon employees of a major hospital system. took me til that first high0risk surgery to realize how vulnerable she was to the medical system given her condition(s), especially with my dad gone not long before. they had been married over 60 years and he was a strongminded decision maker in their marriage to the end.

Californialost 93 posts, incept 2021-10-14
2022-09-21 23:40:13

The Bad Guys may not be actively trying to kill all of us, but does it really matter?

If you've ever gone hunting, every once in a while, you'll hear some guy off in the distance belting out rounds like he is trying to soften up the beachhead at D Day in Normandy. That is what now feels like to me. We are out in the woods, trying to live out our hunter lives and those jackassess at the WEF may or may not be trying to kill us, but they are pumping so much lead into the forest, it really doesn't matter if they are aiming or not, we are gonna get hit.

I also think there are several major agendas being pushed, so it is impossible to see the entire plan, because everything is mixed together.

Anyway, I can't do anything about the Bad Guys, so I just live my life, eat healthy, workout, prepare for tomorrow. Can't worry too much about things I can't control.
Sloonie 2k posts, incept 2008-04-16
2022-09-21 23:40:19

Yes, for the 'protocol', the money...this is long, speed it up, but an awful story that should not have been, and one of thousands.

and a couple supportive other pieces:

Ugly out there. Do NOT comply. Stay away from hospitals!

"If might is right, then love has no place in the world. It may be so, it may be so. But I don't have the strength to live in a world like that..."-Father Gabriel, 'The Mission'

Mannfm11 8k posts, incept 2009-02-28
2022-09-22 09:31:47

Patrick58 wrote..
Karl - Thanks. I just can't square the whole propaganda, censorship thing. Money is one thing. I can't reconcile the large group of MD's, PHd's, from here ignoring "protocols that work" in favor of "I need to keep my job, or they'll can my ass, and I lose my license", who cares if grandpa dies on a ventilator? Just doesn't cut it with me.

I will venture a claim that most of the younger people who died were killed by the hospitals. I have seen enough stories. If it was only old people, the fear wouldn't have been so high. I would bring up the people dying were 80+. Especially, if I was speaking to a blackguy they would relate someone they knew died at 35. I guess Remdesivir and vents are no respector of age. Just think, you can go to prison without harming someone if you drive at .10 BAC, but you can get fat killing people with crap treatments in hospitals and literally make people go to court to stop you.

The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
Sloonie 2k posts, incept 2008-04-16
2022-09-22 09:32:03

Abelardlindsey wrote..
I stand by my comments. I lived in Japan from '91 until the late 90's. I arrived at the tail end of the bubble when everyone thought Japan was going to overtake the U.S. as the world's biggest economy. Within a few months of my arrival, it became clear to me that this would never happen.

What people outside Japan see is the hyper-efficient and competitive export economy. Toyota, Honda, Sony, not to mention industrial equipment and tools (Japan still makes the best machine tools in the world). The problem is that the domestic economy is anything but. It was clear to me that much of the domestic economy essentially extracts "rents" from the export economy, without creating comparable value. For instance, when you go to rent an apartment. At the time (I don't know if this is no longer true) you had to pay all kinds of fees that totaled to six times the monthly rent in order to rent that apartment. Also, it involved players (like the real estate offices) that do not create any real value. Another example is getting a driver's license. They have specialized driving schools that you have to attend in order to apply for a driver's license. I believe these schools are quite expensive (like the equivalent of several grand of U.S. dollars). This is just two of many examples.

Whether this kind of rent seeking is beneficial to Japanese culture is debatable, but was not my point. My point is that the U.S. has become a lot like this in the form of "rent" extraction by the medical field, education, and real estate fields. My other point is that having an economy based on such kind of "rent-seeking", particularly if it is more intense with the having and raising of children, has consequences. One of those consequences is lots of young people deciding its not worth having kids. I believe Japan is
experiencing this consequence (and so is the U.S. of late).

Aye! I have no knowledge of Japanese culture/economics, but this makes perfect sense, as all we have been told, believed, is bunk.
Honestly, (sorry TG) but I really think we are living in a matrix, a movie, a facsimile,a dream a lie, an image, and the truth has always been available to us via our core, our hearts, our soul. (or, for many, God, the Bible).
One way or another, between the above and space weather/planetary shifts happening (we are in new area of galaxy) set for major shift.
something is bigger than we can call, and the best, imo, while entertaining selves with political or cause/effect, and the duality, we just need to love enjoy, be real, be good, and the rest will just be.
(I think of the movie Knowing)

"If might is right, then love has no place in the world. It may be so, it may be so. But I don't have the strength to live in a world like that..."-Father Gabriel, 'The Mission'

Tritumi 1k posts, incept 2008-11-29
2022-09-22 09:32:16

@Abelardlindsey, thank you for clarification. The objection to a rentier society would be justified when there is substantial inequality in treatment or were the contract implied in the "rent" be abused. Neither are substantially the case. Objecting in principle to the practices involved certainly depends on the consequences. No argument there.

You refer to two of the most annoying examples encountered by foreigners in daily life, apartment renting and car ownership. Both are still practiced, though rental practices it varies by region, with not all requiring key money, gift money, security deposits, and first and last month rents up front. Insecurity of renting to foreigners increases the barriers from bias, usually. The yearly car inspection fees (that increase with the vehicle's age) are still in place, I believe.

More onerous in my experience was navigating complex decision making processes and the huge multi-level distribution system.

As your point is that

the U.S. has become a lot like this in the form of "rent" extraction by the medical field, education, and real estate fields. My other point is that having an economy based on such kind of "rent-seeking", particularly if it is more intense with the having and raising of children, has consequences. One of those consequences is lots of young people deciding its not worth having kids. I believe Japan is experiencing this consequence (and so is the U.S. of late).

I've no argument either your observation of the U.S. trend or the fact of consequences. In Japan, a robust mercantilist manufacturing culture generated both huge profits and leverage that easily afforded rentier excesses (and lifetime employment) until credit leverage overran all sustainable projections. The Yen peaked at 85 to $USD1 in 1986.

Demographics rule all and Japan is in a sad way for some time. The U.S. has a different demographic challenge, identity driven more than anything else now and in the future. Comparing rentier consequences in a tight, rule bound society with a loose, anything goes society is certainly something to chew on.
Gregorykeating 24 posts, incept 2021-08-11
2022-09-22 09:32:23

Tom Luongo is an American macro political/economic analyst. He says there will be no 'Great Reset'. His reasoning goes loosely like this: The push for the reset and one world order and one world currency is coming from old european money which is the power behind the world economic forum.

The reset can only occur if the U.S. dollar is made worthless through massive money printing. Bernanke and Yellen are Davos critters who were happy to play along. They printed all the money necessary to keep the world's economies and banks, especially the ECB and the european commercual banks afloat and weaken the U.S. dollar.

Enter one Donald Trump who appointed Jerome Powell to lead the Federal Reserve. Because of the covid thing Powell came under enormous political pressure to print trillions of dollars and he did so against his will. Now that covid is over Powell has implemented quantitive tightening and is raising interest rates. This will crush the European Central Bank and the EU. QT and high interest rates will also send the world economy into a painful recession. The process will be painful but, in the end, if Powell can see it through, the Fed will be the last man standing and the european socialist ***holes and their dreams of a one world order will be crushed. Powell, Jamie Dimon, et al are not one world order players and will not surrender U.S. dollar supremacy to the europeans.

So goes Luongo's theory and I think he is right. This is bloodsport at the highest level.
Starrynight 174 posts, incept 2021-11-26
2022-09-22 09:33:15

@Ronniemcghee - absolutely, we cannot forget. Time passes and new "crises" emerge and our attention wanders to new issues, but we cannot forget the uncrossable lines that our leaders crossed during the pandemic. By that I mean, they crossed into tyranny. They used the coercive power of the state to push an experimental drug on the whole population, and segregated and punished those who wouldn't comply. In my opinion, this calls the legitimacy of the whole system into question.
Cobra2411 14k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-22 09:33:18

The overwhelming number of deaths in PA came from nursing homes. I was pretty convinced Heir Wolf and his ilk wanted granny dead. Reality is they were expendable when it came to making the crisis look as bad as it did. This way they could get more of the emergency money.

I don't think they want anyone dead, but if you die it makes no difference. You are but an insect to them. It's even better if you come out of this needing life long medical care.

Greed, power, control and the perception of being right. That's what they want.

Some days I feel like people deserve what's coming.
Other days I realize it's not just some days...
Ged1591 15 posts, incept 2016-10-29
2022-09-22 09:33:23

I've always used Hanlon's Razor to interpret such things. No they are not trying to kill me. It's just a feature of their greed and stupidity.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-22 09:37:18

One of my associates here died during Covid; he got hit pretty hard, went to the hospital and presumably they stuffed him full of Remdesivir. He's dead; the last I heard before he got tubed and died was that his kidneys were fucked.

Gee, I wonder what actually killed him?

What pisses me off more than anything else? When he got sick he never called me, despite knowing I'd had the virus, got hit pretty hard, was ok and that I had a stash of what I used to beat it. He knew full well I had said stash because after I got it I told him and quite a few others that I had it and what I had stocked back. His call, of course, but I'm utterly convinced he basically killed himself by listening to the doctors, sitting at home doing nothing of value about a deteriorating situation until he couldn't breathe.

NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Spitcher2 55 posts, incept 2018-05-17
2022-09-22 10:05:28

This post has been categorized under "Corruption". I don't recall exactly when I first discovered KD's writing, but I'm sure what led me here was a desire to understand what was going on with the bailout of Wall Street in 08-09.

Karl, if you were in charge of the world's largest and most powerful commercial and investment banking empire, how would you run it? Where would you spread the seeds of money creation?
Rporth 102 posts, incept 2016-09-28
2022-09-22 10:05:42

I have told so many people about simple stuff, Vit D, C, some zinc, quercetin - let alone Vitamin I that we have a stock of.

*VERY FEW* listened, and guess what? I have taken the above to friends who got sick, I didn't want them to die cause I like them. It gave me a chance to snap their shorts to get base level stuff and *TAKE IT DAILY*... and then figure out a schedule for Vitamin I - I send them Ann B's site for dosing.

So damn simple, but even relatively smart people just don't bother.

damn it.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-22 10:07:35

@Spitcher -
Karl, if you were in charge of the world's largest and most powerful commercial and investment banking empire, how would you run it? Where would you spread the seeds of money creation?

Where they, in my judgement, had the best odds of turning into full-grown success.

A board room full of (or a CEO/COO/CFO/etc.) that has a history of fucking people? Nope. Not a penny, and not to punish either; it's simply a function of where you're most-likely to get success absent using said corrupt influence, which always looks good but is ALSO always a gamble because if the other guy is doing the same shit you have no actual advantage.

NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-09-22 10:30:14

Money is the driver of what we're seeing with the medical establishment. But there is also another factor. Conventional medicine is not really a legitimate technical discipline.

For instance, when Boeing designs and builds a new jet plane or Intel designs and fabs a new semiconductor chip, the design phase involves the use of understood scientific and engineering principles. For the jet plane, it aerodynamics, metallurgy, and a host of other things. For the new semiconductor chip its device physics, then-film materials science, and the fabrication processes used (deposition, etch, litho, etc.). In medicine, they really do not delve into the underlying molecular biology as part of developing a new compound. An example of this is vaccines. How do adjuvants work and why are they needed? No one really knows. This is the same story for most other medical conditions as well.

From a bio-engineering standpoint, it is becoming clear to me that nearly all medical conditions (other than infectious disease) are due to a combination of mitochondrial dysfunction, accumulation of senescent cells, reduced proliferation of stem cells, epigenetic damage, and possibly glycation. A proper form of medicine, based on bio-engineering priciples, would target these causes for treatment.

That current medicine does not tells you that it is not a legitimate bio-engineering.

It's all in the mitochondria.

"It's the future,'re not."
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-09-22 10:30:25

BTW, Karl is right about cancer. Clinical cancer is simply the result of a degraded immune system. Thus the bio-engineering approach to treating and preventing cancer is to regenerate the Thymus gland.

It's all in the mitochondria.

"It's the future,'re not."
Querant 257 posts, incept 2021-09-19
2022-09-22 11:04:11


"No one really knows. This is the same story for most other medical conditions as well."


Human bodies are not machines. Nature can be engineered only within certain limits. Knowing those limits and understanding the interdependency and complexity of those systems transcends human wisdom at this stage of our evolution. The problem in medicine, as in so many other human endeavors, is hubris.

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Book of Job, Ch. 38
Edwardteach 337 posts, incept 2021-05-01
2022-09-22 11:47:17

They may not be "trying to kill you", but you can bet that they are looking for ways to not have to have the system pay to support those who are no longer useful (to them) and everything is on the table, including "culling the herd".

Know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin command here.
Joedirt11 44 posts, incept 2022-07-08
2022-09-22 12:35:34

@TG, the people trying to cull the heard don't need to know how to change a lightbulb or any other car part or home appliance. They just buy a new one.

I'm not saying they want us all dead. Someone has to build said car and home appliance, new jet, produce energy, etc. The goal is to have far fewer of us. Much easier to control a smaller group of people. I meant slaves.

A small guaranteed income will allow these slaves to buy basic necessities. It will be controlled by some central digital bank. That's happening already if you pay attention. Paypal, gofundme, credit card companies are routinely shutting down people that don't support the narrative. There is a war on cash. New CC coding for firearms for example. Guaranteed income is being experimented with in several cities around the country. IL and CO for starters.

@starrynight made a lot of good points. These governments are doing things that are self destructive even to their own. They destroy income, taxes, and productivity. I truly believe they are fully capable of using nukes, also self destructive. Reducing available energy, shrinking the food supply. Just google "hunger crisis" and you'll see people starving to death all over the world.

The hospitals all had a protocol to follow treating c-19 and it was murder. No doubt in my mind. There was no outside the box thinking from hospital administrators. Use the protocol or your fired.

I've come to this conclusion. To believe that there isn't an order of people that want to shrink the world population and control everything you have to believe that everyone is completely sane, intelligent, and that there is no such thing as evil. None of the three are true.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-22 12:38:57

If you believe that Joe, then you're one of the people who's complicit in it because you haven't done a thing to the people who are actually committing all those murders. That makes you an accessory.

NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Jw. 565 posts, incept 2019-10-10
2022-09-22 13:24:17


Sorry for your loss. I consider myself lucky that I have been spared any personal losses via COVID. However against my wishes and seemingly against my parents own common sense they took the vaccines. They are getting older and they were freaked out by the mass hysteria of the whole thing. Hopefully they will not receive boosters but the system has their claws in them now and there is no going back.

It is honestly saddening to see so many "care givers" be corrupted by the greedy. There seems to be no means of atonement great enough to wash these sins from the hands of the participants. It is this that makes me believe that we have passed the line in the sand with regards to getting solution based treatments to common causes and have ventured into a downward spiral of greed based remedies that will typically do more harm than good. It is easier for 'caregivers' to deny the truth than to deal with the aftermath of accepting their part in the murder of millions.

Until the people who have been brainwashed by the corrupt look up and find that they are profiting from deaths due to the greed of others (and some of their own), I expect personal losses will increase. DC has been corrupted completely by medical and war profiteering, the citizens have been turned complacent and lots of blood will be spilled before a resolution will be had.

There will be darkness before we find light.

The spending must continue, until it can't.
Grf 1k posts, incept 2008-12-08
2022-09-22 13:24:42

I view this as a mass psychosis driven by fear porn that got away from the State actors that kicked it off.

Burning witches, lynching, dancing plagues, and human sacrifice were all routinely and happily gone along with in the past. I used to wonder how decent people could just follow along and participate. Now I know.

"Every time we on TF talk about God and gays, God frees a banker and gives him a bonus." --me
"Your farts are interstate commerce and if they want to stick a muffler up your ass they will do it." --B
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