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Patrick58 232 posts, incept 2019-08-08
2022-09-21 15:10:57


I accept your arguement (Occam's Razor - simplest explanation is the obvious motive), however, after the hospitalized Covid patients were ventilated, they could have "brought them back from the dead" with a half dozen cheap interventions, so that the "half dead" patient could remain a host for the medical community to parisitize. They chose to end their lives instead.
I believe there was intent. I recall the story about a SE Asian woman who had the "balls" to get a judge to order Elmhurst Hospital to allow her aged father to be able to get "Ivermectin" .... and the hospital not only resisted, but she (the Asian daughter) had to bring in her own medical doctor to administer treatment.
The "old boy" pulled out of it! You think it's just about money. I don't think so. That hospital fucked with her 9 ways to Sunday. If a simple "bribe" was all it would take, then I would say it it's just about the juice! Here, I think it's a bit more then the squeeze.

I can't argue like you do, I'm not in your category. I happen to reserve that there's something that's a bit more to it then just dough.

I lost my mom to the vaccination. She was in "high end care", had been tested for "antibodies" and had them (I asked my ignorant lawyer brother who signed for her), and contracted the virus three/four weeks after the vax. It's not business as usual, this is "personal". You (Government) want to vaccinate my kids and grandkids who have already developed "natural immunity" so at your own peril. This is "personal". I don't give a "rats ass" if it was just about dough. If given the chance, I'll punch their ticket. 50 pieces of silver?
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-09-21 15:11:16

Vanderbilt medical center (in your nick of the woods, Karl) established a pediatric transgender clinic in 2018 because they were told it would be a good "money maker". Apparently gender-bending is a good growth market for the medical establishment.

It's all in the mitochondria.

"It's the future,'re not."
Starrynight 174 posts, incept 2021-11-26
2022-09-21 15:11:23

@Tphedlund - just one more thought on the theme of how a "great reset" or the UN 2030 sustainability goals could be achieved: through war, famine, disease, pestilence, death. These conditions bring chaos, conflict, and cover for elites to restructure society under "emergency" conditions. They distract the public and allow people in power to offer radical "solutions". Anything becomes possible; what was previously unthinkable, becomes thinkable.

We have the disease and pestilence: c-19, and who knows what else may be coming.

We have the war: Ukraine, and who knows where else more conflicts will arise.

Famine seems to be on the horizon, as people talk about various food shortages and agricultural problems.

And we have rising excess deaths all over the world. "Suddenly and unexpectedly".

Did you notice that these are the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse?

I am not claiming that we live in the End Times, but I would point out that these four Horsemen are means by which elites may think they can social engineer the future they want.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-21 15:12:11

@Patrick58 - Ah, but you see if the hospital let that drug be used after all the other things, and it worked..... how long before the Administrator got either buttfucked or worse someone sued them for intentionally inappropriate care and shoved the bill up their asshole?

THAT is the problem.

NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Starrynight 174 posts, incept 2021-11-26
2022-09-21 15:36:04

@Olddad - I think you're right, there's a big potential for civil unrest and people taking to the streets. TPTB may have miscalculated and their chaos and fear-inducing methods could cause things to spin way out of their control. They seem to expect to keep a lid on things by "controlling the narrative". We will see how long that works. Maybe the vast majority will be controlled by propaganda. Or maybe a cold, dark winter will force people to realize the narrative can't keep them warm. That is my hope: that people will come to their senses when confronted by reality. But we seem to be living in a post-modern society where people don't believe in truth and facts, and thus they are easily manipulated, so that they can't even see the truth when it's right in front of them.
Tphedlund 35 posts, incept 2017-01-27
2022-09-21 15:36:19

@Starrynight - Yes, it is all coming together quite nicely for Klaus and the WEF gang. When one considers that all of these conditions were not only preventable but actually intentionally produced, it looks like a well coordinated plan.
Starrynight 174 posts, incept 2021-11-26
2022-09-21 15:36:24

@Daedwards - thanks for that link to the article about Germany's suicide. I don't know if the RAND paper is authentic, but I think the main point is entirely plausible. That is, from a Great Powers geopolitical perspective, I believe the declared policy of the US government is to prevent any nation or group of nations from threatening US superpower status. This explains a lot about US diplomatic, defense, and economic policy. Which countries might present a threat to US global hegemony? Europe, Russia, and China come to mind. So, the US will use any means necessary to keep them down. NATO is a tool to do this. Having the EU fighting with Russia knocks two of those potential rivals out right there. That leaves China still to deal with somehow.

To me, this may explain the policy choices of the Czech Prime Minister that I described earlier. He may be a "true believer" in "helping" Ukraine. I don't know what he really thinks or believes. But he may be calculating the position of his country within this larger geopolitical framework. Czechia threw its hat in with NATO. That's the side it picked, and like a good little apparatchik he will follow the US/NATO playbook even if it harms his own country, even if it harms his own political career. He is beholden. I wouldn't be surprised if he's been offered several seats on the boards of international corporations so that after his time in office he'll rake in millions for doing nothing. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if he's selling out his own country. And in that sense, what I've said completely agrees with @Tickerguy's post, that these leaders are not necessarily purposely trying to be evil, they are just in it for themselves.
Hapie 258 posts, incept 2020-07-25
2022-09-21 15:36:31

If we just stop acknowledging their power and stop following their orders, and make our lives independent of what they do, they will have no power.

We just need to adjust our lives to survive without them.

Of course, it will take giving up a lot of what many consider as "necessities".

Mankind and societies have survived with a lot of hardships, but people have never flourished living under tyrannies.

So, either open war, of kill for survival or get killed, or total boycott from their power.

Patrick58 232 posts, incept 2019-08-08
2022-09-21 16:21:36


I misstated Elmhurst Hospital. It was NOT. With permission Edwards Hospital, my sincere appologies. So when you know you have an effective treatment, you squash it. Knowledge of the "cheap cure", is just about "money"? Maybe? So they have NO OBLIGATION TO CURE A PATIENT, BUT RUN A COURSE OF TREATMENT THAT ENDS IN DEATH? The "money end" dies with the patient. (Yes the government incentivized the Covid protocols that ended in death .... knowing that there were cheap interventions that would cure the patient). Seems to me that there's something more than money at stake here?

Why not cure the patient after their lungs and other organs are damaged, so that you can make them a hospital "bank account", for successive treatments to mitigate damage?

Hyppocratic Oath is Hypocritical Oath? (Maybe I missed something, but I no longer trust doctors in the West). I guess our disagreement is just about "intent"? I think it's about money for doing the "bad thing". I think these are some "bad MoFo's" who need to dig their own graves. (In my eye's, it's payment for murder). Somehow, I can't square that circle that it was just about money.

It's like legalized murder for hire. I'ld say it was just "dough" if they survived. Either way, I want these fuckers to get what they deserve. I don't give a "rats ass" what their motive was. "I was just doing my job, just doesn't cut it".
Twainfan2 1k posts, incept 2018-12-04
2022-09-21 16:26:02

@Kfell Im with ya. This country is so full of mentally ill people it's ridiculous.

On a side note, did we lose Blackcrow? I haven't seen her comment in a while.
Twainfan2 1k posts, incept 2018-12-04
2022-09-21 16:26:13

Patrick, they have 300+ million other potential patients. They dont care about not curing a few thousand. To cover their asses they had to let people die as Karl has explained.
Katniss99 144 posts, incept 2012-06-05
2022-09-21 17:08:26

I've lost all trust in the medical profession. I'm done with that crap. I now see a functional medicine doctor that does not participate with insurance. My toddler will also see a doctor who also doesn't participate with insurance when he needs medical care. Over the summer I got a call from the state Dept of Health asking why I didn't take my son for his 24 month vaccines. None of your dang business, thankyouverymuch. It's all about the money. From here on out, nothing goes in my body or my kid's body without me doing the research ahead of time.
Olddad 189 posts, incept 2019-08-22
2022-09-21 17:16:13

Check this out. Here's your answer, at least from the current admin. Holy fuck, we are headed straight to hell.
Patrick58 232 posts, incept 2019-08-08
2022-09-21 17:17:08

@Twainfan2 - Thanks. Keep in mind that those ventilators should be considered "your ticket puncher". Hyppocratic Oath for $1000 Alex? (I mean no disrespect to you).

Karl - Thanks. I just can't square the whole propaganda, censorship thing. Money is one thing. I can't reconcile the large group of MD's, PHd's, from here ignoring "protocols that work" in favor of "I need to keep my job, or they'll can my ass, and I lose my license", who cares if grandpa dies on a ventilator? Just doesn't cut it with me.

i've taken up enough of your time, appologies.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-21 17:17:37

How much does that doctor make killing your grandfather?

NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Jw. 565 posts, incept 2019-10-10
2022-09-21 18:15:36


Read the EUA order I posted earlier. It shows a pretty clear path as to why things are the way they are. And if you read the rest of the similar orders you can see how the process is constructed bit by bit.

This is first and foremost a money grab, a small killing off of the population is simply an accepted and likely welcomed side effect (Medicare takes up a significant amount of cash DC could route elsewhere). If they kill too many the spending (and subsequent profiteering) will be over far too soon for their liking.

I know of people who have been into Chinese herbs for decades. Twenty years ago 99% of doctors believed it was 100% bullshit because of what they were told by the FDA, AMA and others who have created a monopoly on medical information and "medicine" distribution. That tide was slowly turning, however COVID will likely turn it back again.

Vitamin C has a label on it that says it does not prevent or cure any diseases and cannot be construed as medicine, yet Rogaine which does not cure shit is considered a "cure" and can be called one under FDA guidelines. Vitamin C is probably better at curing COVID than the vaccine is, yet hardly any doctor on this earth will ever mutter those word.

Most doctors and nurses bought into the FDA long ago, they absorbed information generated by the controlling institutions to make themselves doctors and nurses, they did not learn 'medicine' through their own testing of theories and ideas. The idea that the information provided by the the FDA, AMA and others, would be wrong is counter intuitive to how they were educated.

It would be akin to suddenly telling a mathematician that one plus one is now six, when for their entire life they were educated to believe it was two. Would you believe me if I told you the sun was not going to rise tomorrow? You would think I was crazy, right? That is the equivalent to telling a doctor that the FDA is wrong.

And look what happened to the doctors and nurses that went against the FDA, AMA and other controlling agencies... They got royally fucked.

The spending must continue, until it can't.
Evergreen 186 posts, incept 2021-12-26
2022-09-21 18:50:02

How can a PTB contribute to walking a nation over the brink?


PTB's are activist by nature, by dint of their having run for office. What motivated them to run? Graft + ideology. The parties are agglomerations of both. The candidates REALLY buy into the briefs they have been given endlessly about global warming, so there's your anti-energy policy in a nutshell. Once in office, they get their eyes and ears filled with charts and dire warnings about dark days ahead when the warming wrecks all. They believe it. Thus, they are zealots about forestalling it. How? By throttling back the only way they have been briefed: anti-carbon.

Bank on it. There may be a host of pure grifters thrown into the mix, but very much so there is a critical mass of warming zealots who are on a crusade to save the planet with anti-carbon. If covid+ has a side benefit of increased mortality, well, the zealots aren't exactly on a tear to save lives--just the planet and humanity. Someone once commented about how liberals hate people but love humanity...or some such.

It really can be simple. And, because they are dumb to knock-on effects, there is no contemplation of cause-effect.
Patrick58 232 posts, incept 2019-08-08
2022-09-21 18:56:56

Karl, a patient on a vent, can be charged $39K for what I've read (Medicare). I'm guessing the MD can get a couple grand of the grift, more if he's got some ownership in the hospital and hits his "incentives'.

@Jw. Thank you.
Thank you both for your kindness, "logic" and "truth". I've accepted both.

I'm less than a few weeks away from seeing friends, family in SE Asia, - several who are MD's so that I can get the standard "full panel" bloodwork performed, as well as some meds to carry me over for a few years (BP & Heart Rate). I QUIT the medical system here in the states. I'm doing my part just "not subscribing" to anything that's part of the "medical system over here". I pay my "capital gains" taxes, and others, but "nothing more to medicare and social security". At this juncture, the only one I trust anymore is my CPA, who I've kept employed for more than 25 years. I'm not one who needs to lean on SS or Medicare for squat.
Tritumi 1k posts, incept 2008-11-29
2022-09-21 19:19:42

@Abelardlindsey, regarding your comments on Japan. Let me grant the severity of your view. Let us say that Japan has a culture expecting to extract value for services.

Perhaps that explains:

1. why things generally work according to expectations here

2. why it has a culture
Riverrat10k 354 posts, incept 2009-10-23
2022-09-21 20:51:43

Unfortunately, Karl, I madey elderly mother cry, and pissed off Pop when I accused them of political inaction.
Feel bad about it, I had been drinking, but I felt it should be said. I can be a dick sometimes

Guess I'm just scared.

A motion to adjourn and go fishing is always in order.
--me channeling Heinlein
Lamarth 1k posts, incept 2008-03-15
2022-09-21 20:51:48

We're not sacrificing to Moloch, we're sacrificing to Mammon.

The Government Inequality: Total Wealth before Government Intervention > Total Wealth after Government Intervention
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Diversity is our strength.
Kikknback 1k posts, incept 2020-03-17
2022-09-21 20:52:01

The American citizens are enslaved under their very government (Operating on TPTB's orders) as financial revenue generators. You are only allowed to take home enough to pay for rent/bills, food and a car note...paycheck to paycheck.

Rule of LAW and the Constitution were put in place to protect the people from losing their freedoms. Being financially enslaved is not living with your freedom when the government has grown to a size large enough to extract a family's ability to prosper in society.

Living financially is living in a BANANA REPUBLIC.

No Rule of LAW.

No ability for the average family to prosper due to taxes, and cost of living.

The American government tells you the Civil War was to free the slaves.

The American government added an amendment to the Constitution to free the slaves, making slavery illegal.

If there is a law making slavery illegal, how does the American government get away by breaking that very law by creating taxes, and an economic environment that turns a free human being into a financial slave for life?

The communist Government, at all levels, brainwash the Useful Idiots.

The communist Mass/Social Media, at all levels, brainwash the Useful Idiots.

The communist Education System, at all levels, brainwash the newly created Useful Idiots.

The communist CRIMINAL MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, at all levels, brainwash the Useful Idiots.

You can never have a FREE, and functioning Republic when ALL major industry of your society are creating Useful Idiots to run society.

A Useful Idiot will never fight for their Freedom.

All Useful Idiots fight to keep their master's Freedom, because Useful Idiots / Communists are followers, not leaders.

"The most grotesque act of Treason is to be born into a free Constitutional Republic, for which you did not risk your life or shed blood to create, and sit back and watch it slowly be taken from you w
Jwm_in_sb 5k posts, incept 2009-04-16
2022-09-21 20:52:09

It may have started out as greed but they've miscalculated severely hence the doubling down that made no sense. If they weren't trying to kill a lot people but were just indifferent in pursuit of fortune, then they are contemplating it now just to maintain control and prevent a guillotine party.
Abelardlindsey 1k posts, incept 2021-03-26
2022-09-21 20:52:15


I stand by my comments. I lived in Japan from '91 until the late 90's. I arrived at the tail end of the bubble when everyone thought Japan was going to overtake the U.S. as the world's biggest economy. Within a few months of my arrival, it became clear to me that this would never happen.

What people outside Japan see is the hyper-efficient and competitive export economy. Toyota, Honda, Sony, not to mention industrial equipment and tools (Japan still makes the best machine tools in the world). The problem is that the domestic economy is anything but. It was clear to me that much of the domestic economy essentially extracts "rents" from the export economy, without creating comparable value. For instance, when you go to rent an apartment. At the time (I don't know if this is no longer true) you had to pay all kinds of fees that totaled to six times the monthly rent in order to rent that apartment. Also, it involved players (like the real estate offices) that do not create any real value. Another example is getting a driver's license. They have specialized driving schools that you have to attend in order to apply for a driver's license. I believe these schools are quite expensive (like the equivalent of several grand of U.S. dollars). This is just two of many examples.

Whether this kind of rent seeking is beneficial to Japanese culture is debatable, but was not my point. My point is that the U.S. has become a lot like this in the form of "rent" extraction by the medical field, education, and real estate fields. My other point is that having an economy based on such kind of "rent-seeking", particularly if it is more intense with the having and raising of children, has consequences. One of those consequences is lots of young people deciding its not worth having kids. I believe Japan is experiencing this consequence (and so is the U.S. of late).

It's all in the mitochondria.

"It's the future,'re not."
Mike77079 70 posts, incept 2010-06-21
2022-09-21 20:52:37

I think maybe they're trying to kill some of us. Like 10 to 15%. I hope I'm wrong.
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