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 How You Start A Civil War
Heartlander 2k posts, incept 2021-02-25
2022-09-19 13:55:14

@Ingar
Quote:
they [the elites] are too arrogant to see that they could ever be wrong about anything.

Not just elites, but run-of-the-mill Democrats as well. And not just out of arrogance but also out of sheer stupidity. I'm thinking of California, where wildfires, blackouts, taxes, homelessness, and all manner of other problems just get worse and worse and worse. And the people bitch about how bad things are getting... and keep right on voting for more of it. They do not connect the dots. It never even enters their mind that the ultra-left Democrat officials they vote for, and the policies they enact, have anything to do with the ensuing disasters. They're like some ultra-primitive tribe somewhere that doesn't know there's a connection between the act of sex and a baby ending up in someone's tummy.
Ugrev 1k posts, incept 2010-03-08
2022-09-19 14:04:25

I don't want a divorce, I want an unconditional surrender of these fucks.

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Irregular Warfare is now in play
Packetcap 714 posts, incept 2021-07-23
2022-09-19 14:20:21

Notice how the language has been softened, illegal aliens has become "migrants". Just like in Europe.

Did you all see this short video clip of one of the rich, hippy Martha's Vineyard white women overjoyed her pets were leaving town?

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/....

The one in the brown hat is the one I'm talking about. LOL


Hapie 258 posts, incept 2020-07-25
2022-09-19 14:23:04

@Ugrev "I don't want a divorce, I want an unconditional surrender of these fucks."

They will surrender but only when facing the fear of their own massacre, a merciless "divorce" or recognition of their own complete impotence.

Even just the recognition of their own complete impotence may do it!

To begin with, just do not comply, prove to all that they are ghouls and curse them to hell!

Heartlander 2k posts, incept 2021-02-25
2022-09-19 14:23:10

@Augeries

Loved your comment, but this:
Quote:
those doctors who were forced to remain at their current workplace by judge order?

...Are you sure about that? I mean, WTF?! I never heard about this. And I have followed the Covid mischief obsessively. How did I miss this? Can you point me to anything that would back this up? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it's the first I've heard of it.
Ihsmta 805 posts, incept 2008-04-10
2022-09-19 14:27:27

I've wondered if the airport on Martha's Vineyard can refuse landing permissions to a plane they suspect is carrying migrants?

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"Economists are no different than the prophets of ancient Pompeii who reassured that Mt Vesuvius would never blow. After all, it never had before." Baxter Black, DVM and Cowboy Poet

"You can avoi
Eleua 20k posts, incept 2007-07-05
2022-09-19 14:27:37

Quote:
I don't want a divorce, I want an unconditional surrender of these fucks.


Calling it...

@Ugrev wins the TF posting sweepstakes for 2022.



What "we" did to Germany/Europe after WW2 was to "denazify" it, by using every means available (starvation, execution, humiliation, gaslighting, etc) to prevent anyone from challenging the new orthodoxy in Europe (You will be ethnically obliterated, subservient to international bankers, and pay for it all).

I want the West to be fumigated against cultural Marxism, globalism, etc.

Don't care how we get there.

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Diversity + proximity = WAR
We are governed by sexual degenerates, Satanists, traitors, retards, cowards, sociopaths, and megalomaniacs - CHANGE MY MIND
That kind of sums up the
Prof_dilligaf 401 posts, incept 2021-09-02
2022-09-19 14:27:48

A few critical supply "shortages" and all of the blue West is transformed into a giant Jackson, Miss., in very short order. Hell, a little internal sabotage in the Central Valley and the Bay Area and SoCal are well fucked.

I'm not as conversant with the details out East, but I doubt that the Atlantic Coast megalopolis is self-sufficient in that most basic of necessities, dihydrogen monoxide. Their electricity generation and distribution systems are obviously extremely fragile as well.


The neocons and their sycophants in DC getting thoroughly wrecked with sanctions is quite a delicious idea. I'm sure much of the world would be happy to join in (not that any one can feasibly transport water or electricity anyhoo).
Peterm99 9k posts, incept 2009-03-21
2022-09-19 14:58:00

Ged1591 wrote..
. . . many if not most of these people are fleeing socialist regimes and are inlikely to vote for more Democrat fuckery.
Beg to differ.

What they want is to enjoy the fruits of the Democrat (and for many years also Republican) socialist fuckery of ever more gov't benefits and/or handouts on the taxpayer dime. Only after they get to the point at which the amount of benefits they receive from gov't is exceeded by what is extracted from them via taxes and/or inflation are they going to turn against the rulers of the "system" as it exists.

And, from what I've read, the large majority of first- and even second-generation illegals never get to that crossover point.

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". . . the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance b
Eleua 20k posts, incept 2007-07-05
2022-09-19 15:34:51

Quote:
many if not most of these people are fleeing socialist regimes and are inlikely to vote for more Democrat fuckery.


Case study: American Blacks that are the descendants of slaves in the US.

No group has more first hand knowledge of how fucked up living in Democrat paradises is. No group is even close.

No group, has been catered to by Republicans more than American Blacks. Nobody is even close.

No group votes more heavily for Democrats than American Blacks. Nobody is close, although secular Jews are within striking distance.


If anything, the trends show that the first generation are as good as it gets. After that, their kids and grandkids get on the "Whitey owes me" gravy train (a lifetime of propaganda does that). They revert to their innate tribal instincts and vote themselves a cargo cult.

...and NO, you can't make it up on volume. Doubling down on stupid only makes you lose twice as fast.

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Diversity + proximity = WAR
We are governed by sexual degenerates, Satanists, traitors, retards, cowards, sociopaths, and megalomaniacs - CHANGE MY MIND
That kind of sums up the
Joancrawford 358 posts, incept 2013-10-14
2022-09-19 15:54:00

Eleua-Case study: American Blacks that are the descendants of slaves in the US.

No group has more first hand knowledge of how fucked up living in Democrat paradises is. No group is even close.

True. Blacks enjoy being on the plantation. BTW, exactly how many blacks did you see waving goodbye to the newly arrived migrants in Martha's Vineyard? Where the actual F*CK were the most discriminated against residents of MV, the Obamas and Oprah? I hear crickets.

Blacks have fallen into the trap. Goodies today, promises of more goodies tomorrow. Once YT is effectively killed off by these monsters, you'd think they'd come to realize who is NEXT on the chopping block.

Maffs be hard I guess.......

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Don't f*ck with me fellas! This ain't my first time at the rodeo.

America-it was a good run while it lasted. RIP!
Jw. 565 posts, incept 2019-10-10
2022-09-19 15:54:18

Gee, it only took two years for the Republicans to start doing anything like this and it couldn't have anything to do with the November elections..... Nah. Nope. Definitely not....

Nothing to see here folks, move along.



@Eleua, and they keep voting Democrat.... Stockholm syndrome? Abusive relationship codependency? May be because the Republicans threaten to take away the trough every few years (make it harder to get welfare checks).

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The spending must continue, until it can't.
Billhrny 186 posts, incept 2019-06-19
2022-09-19 16:24:27

I think we need to peel back another layer of the onion - they dont necessarily want a civil war, they want the changes they think they will get as a result.

We saw a significant ramp up AFTER Trump left office, why? For all his faults he did install a ton of federal judges including 3 SCOTUS seats. That was a big blow to the progressive Left Marxists.

We have seen another ramp up AFTER the recent SCOTUS decisions regarding the 2A and Roe. Again more blows to the Left.

Now circling back to the begin beginning, why do they want increased violence? Simple, they want the guns, they want them so bad you can feel it.

They want a new Constitution without the 2A, with a greatly expanded Supreme Court, and with restrictions on speech that will allow censorship on the basis of racist PC verbal violence. They want control. They want a digital currency that can track every single transaction a person makes.

They will try to spin any insurrection as a right wing coup attempt, that was only allowed by the very freedoms in our racist misogynistic constitution written by a bunch of old white men. The solution they will propose will be a re-write.

Ten years ago I would have thought the above was tin, I think its pretty much what the plan is.

They will fail. The one common trait I learned by living in DC for 4 years is that these people are extremely arrogant, and although they may have book smarts, they lack street smarts and an understanding of people outside their own group.

They also overestimate the support of the military and intel complex. Yes, the senior leadership tend to be woke commies, because they were chosen to be as such, but most below the level of Colonel or below a GS-15 are not supportive of the new regime.
Phils 135 posts, incept 2018-02-07
2022-09-19 16:40:12

I have a different perspective on this situation. The pre civil war skirmishes started around 2010, when Obama directed Lois Lerner and the IRS to damage and intimidate the Tea Party political opposition group. This activity continues with the FBI, Social Media (Facebook) others engaging in criminal conduct and voter fraud, to damage the opposition to the Democrat social plan.

They have removed the ability to solve conflicts through the voting system.

There was a three year hiatus for the Covid-19 event, but now the skirmishes have resumed. Social unrest, letting criminals out of jail, unrestricted illegal immigration, FBI intimidation, political insults, public school abuses, inflation, etc. are all part of the Great Reset Plan.

The big stumbling block for the Dems is that they have no current leadership that can inspire confidence in their program. A hard recession could cause the social mood to swing in either direction.

Edward.fish 338 posts, incept 2021-12-17
2022-09-19 17:27:25

Blanca wrote..
Yes, slavery was an abomination. Did it justify Lincoln's actions?

@Blanca -- I come down on the side of 'No', for the simple reason that history showed that abolishing slavery could be achieved without [civil] war with William Wilberforce. (There was a movie about him a few years back Amazing Grace, which I would recommend.)

Blanca wrote..
Yes, the South struck first at Ft Sumter, after numerous provocations. Sound familiar?

@Blanca -- Ft. Sumter is always framed as being the south attacking, but if they seceded then they were no longer part of the United States and therefore the United States did not have legitimate claim to the fort... at least, this much should be acknowledged, the legitimacy of secession being a separate question.

One thing that is really quite fascinating is that none of the leadership of the Confederacy was charged with Treason. I'm of the opinion that this is because, should it have been perused in the courts any ruling would have been damaging to the Union. Why? Because the aforementioned question, the legitimacy of secession, would force a conclusion damaging to the Union:
(1) If secession was not legitimate, which was the Union's reason for going to war, then the waging of war upon the States is, by Constitutional definition, Treason.
(2) If secession was legitimate then the Union's actions were a war of aggression and not a response to rebellion.
There was simply no way that the legitimacy/righteousness of the federal government's actions would survive an actual assessment.

Joancrawford wrote..
There is sometimes talk about the state of Texas seceding. I've often doubted this in the past, but it could become a real thing, with perhaps other states following suit. I don't particularly want the US to break up as a union, but frankly it's time for a divorce.

Consider it like a marriage. Your spouse is determined to drown out every objection you have to his/her behavior. Your spouse behaves erratically, wantonly engaging in wild expenditures and throws you an occasional scrap to keep you quiet. You clip coupons, sweat to make the rent each month, and pray to God you keep your health because Lord knows you cannot afford to get sick.

@Joancrawford -- I get what you're saying, but there's a big flaw in the analogy, a pretty damning difference in the two: the divide between the citizenry and the 'elite'.

Consider that even California, with Proposition 8, chose to recognize marriage as between a man and a woman and codify it in their State Constitution. -- The only reason that this isn't California law is because a federal judge struck it down claiming that it violated the US Constitution and then, the USSC refused to hear the case.

So, what does this tell us?
It tells us that there is a huge divide between the 'elite' and the common man, that even "insanely liberal" places like California are far more "conservative" than most would first assume.

Susanlauren wrote..
Exactly on point. In my opinion, Biden and Company are doing everything in their power to create a civil war.

@Susanlauren -- Civil war is an excellent way to weaken an enemy before attacking; this sort of thing is exactly what we should expect if a foreign power were in significant control/influence of our political leadership.

Tickerguy wrote..
"Conservatives" are no such thing. Exactly WHAT are they attempting to conserve?

@Tickerguy -- Exactly.
It would be a different matter if, over the last 20 years, the "conservative" Republican-party had done pretty-much anything in furtherance of their stated platform-planks... instead the most we got from them was "display only"-style policies, when they weren't actively stabbing their support in the back.

Billhrny wrote..
I think we need to peel back another layer of the onion - they dont necessarily want a civil war, they want the changes they think they will get as a result.

@Billhrny -- Looking at the where that they're pulling illegals from, to include the "H1b" fraud-machine, I think it paints a picture of what they want; observationally:
(1) India: they want people who are intelligent enough to "perform the script", but not intelligent enough to go off-script --think, for example, of "tech-support", and how even if you're a technically knowledgeable person the "tech-support" will force you through their script-- also the caste-system.
(2) China: they wish to import the "human-hive" disposability & "not my problem" attitude towards others --think of all the "LiveLeak" videos of China-- similar to India.
(3) South- and Central-America, they wish to import the casual acceptance and indeed expectation of corruption; this will allow them to "drop the mask" altogether, not even having to pretend anymore.
(4) Africa, particularly Somalia, where the same Third World corruption as S. and Cen. America but with the "enhancement" of being able to be "African American" and thus "camouflage" into (and motivate) that segment of society.
(5) Mexico, similar to the South and Central Americans, but with a long tradition of [ostensibly] being disarmed and accepting gun-control... at least as governmental policies.
In short: they want a society that is accepting of corruption, devalues human life, will agree to disarmament/government-control-of-weapons and has a caste system... with themselves at the top.
Hobbled 155 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-09-19 17:38:00

Wonder if I missed it, but let's say the looney bin parade gets what they want re: environ regs. Is there any feasible way the oil refineries and their allies industries can produce what is necessary anyway for things that can never be green friendly? I am thinking diesel for semi-truck, railroads, ag tractors, warehouse and dock heavy lifters and such. No way electric machine can pull those heavy loads. Say most cars and SUV'S are electric. Will there be enough demand for the refineries to keep up production? I assume the nuts think so but I doubt it.
Hobbled 155 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-09-19 18:09:32

And from what I read Lincoln was talking peace while preparing to attack Ft. Sumter by sending troops and weapons. He was talking out both sides of his face. Could be argued the south took preemptive route before the north could decimate them. Lincoln was not the homey backwoodsman history records. He wanted a strong supreme central government. He wanted the power the influence and was not a fan of the established Republican form of constitution we had. And it disturbs me how many so called conservatives consider him one of the greats.
Twainfan2 1k posts, incept 2018-12-04
2022-09-19 18:09:43

@Edward good point on Ft Sumter. If I recall correctly, Lincoln snuck forces into the fort in the middle of the night which prompted the South to start firing on it. If my memory is correct, that would be an invasion by Lincoln and the North since South Carolina had already seceded by that point.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-19 18:10:28

Exactly @Twainfan2 - He sent alleged "supplies" to the people there by ship that were in fact ammunition and troops. The South detected that and said "oh fuck no!" and there we go.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-19 18:15:14

@Hobbled - Well, yes and no.

The "crack" from oil is more-or-less fixed. It CAN be varied some, but you can't (for example) just make diesel out of a barrel.

Remember that jet fuel is basically kerosene; you also get gasoline, diesel, various distillates on the lighter end and then heavier distillates (lubricating oils, bunker fuel for ships, etc.)

So if you kill one of the major outputs (gasoline) in terms of demand what happens if the others continue to be required is the price of the disfavored one collapses, exactly as it was before. Gasoline was so cheap for that reason; nobody wanted it, but you inevitably produced it. So...... yeah.

This gets amusing, in a big way, if the sort of split we see now continues. Diesel at $5.50, gasoline at $3-and-change? How many people will say "fuck you!" to EVs if THAT continues or even gets MORE dramatic? What if gasoline is $1.50/gal while diesel remains near $5? Would YOU buy an EV or tolerate your state mandating them under THAT scenario?

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?

Inspectrcalahan 353 posts, incept 2021-01-15
2022-09-19 18:24:27

PGT Beureguard was supplying food and water to Sumpter. The commander at Sumpter was his friend and classmate. Lincoln wanted a war so he sent military supplies to the fort.
Obtw the Bonnie Blue flag was the first flag of the Confederacy . Historically the flag of Spanish west Florida . Beureguard was from New Orleans.
I fly it at my home and have a tag of the Bonnie Blue on my truck. The only time anyone ever asked about was @ Gettysburg . Viewing the hillside location of Pickets Charge. The University Greys from Oxford MS were pretty much wiped out that day.
Hobbled 155 posts, incept 2011-02-09
2022-09-19 18:25:09

Nope. EV is interesting but I am a cheap son of a gun. Don't see paying 14 to 15k for batteries every couple of years. My cars are paid for and I like it. Thanks for the explain.
Tsherry 10k posts, incept 2008-12-09
2022-09-19 18:25:13

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I've wondered if the airport on Martha's Vineyard can refuse landing permissions to a plane they suspect is carrying migrants?


Air Traffic Control Tower

Midwest ATC
11/1/22-15/14/23 Winter ATC Hours: 0700-1700L
5/15/22-10/31/22 Summer ATC Hours: 0600-2200L


Now why do you think Biden lands planes at 0330 at smaller regional airports or airports in mid sized cities?

Local towers are closed and control likely reverts to the larger regional ATC's who are uninterested in what is being transported.

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Fuck Joe Biden with a GIANT RUSTY CHAINSAW.
Packetcap 714 posts, incept 2021-07-23
2022-09-19 18:26:12

@Edward.fish, also in CA we had a proposition 187 which would have required the state to get rid of the illegals.

It was passed by the voters, and struck down by the Federal courts after a five year fight.

Ihsmta 805 posts, incept 2008-04-10
2022-09-19 18:44:07

@Tsherry - Thanks. Makes perfect sense.

I keep reminding everyone that the Fed Gov is over committed through mandates and regulations that they do not have the resources to enforce except for selectively. There's not one Fed agency that isn't under funded and under staffed. That includes the DOJ and FBI. They're constantly playing wack-a-mole trying to give the impression of control. That's why the Feds lash out occasionally, such as the raid on Mar-a-Lago; to intimidate. It will be a miscalculation on their part that blows out of control. Over confidence will be their down fall. They'll pick the wrong target, at the wrong time, and send in too few resources. That's when things get dicey...

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"Economists are no different than the prophets of ancient Pompeii who reassured that Mt Vesuvius would never blow. After all, it never had before." Baxter Black, DVM and Cowboy Poet

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