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Prof_dilligaf 401 posts, incept 2021-09-02
2022-09-16 17:06:39

"But if you don't pay your bill, well, that's a "once in a while" deal"

Probably not for too much longer for a whole buttload o' people . . .
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-16 17:07:33

Yeah @Prof_dilligaf but since they charge a pretty nasty penalty most of the time if you get disconnected I suspect if it blows up the meter contacts after 10 or so disconnects under load they don't give much of a fuck since they collected a nice "fine" from you already for not paying the bill....... likely more than enough to fund the meter replacement.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Word 38 posts, incept 2018-01-25
2022-09-16 20:55:49

@Tickerguy
What are your thoughts on this.
https://drsambailey.com/a-farewell-to-vi....

Essentially saying Viruses don't exist.
Pattyofurniture 25 posts, incept 2022-04-18
2022-09-16 20:55:53

Nice read, thanks. The most I work with the meters is when I have to yank the entire thing out of it's socket to tighten load side connections, service changes, etc..

A lot of bleating out there about 5G and smart meters and all things wireless. I know enough to know inverse square for distance and make sure cells on roofs are turned off if you go up there for work, because your guts won't appreciate if you're careless and work too close.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-16 20:56:46

@Word - Flat-out bullshit.

A HUGE percentage of our DNA as humans is traceable to viruses.

That's fact, so.... yeah.

Citing crap around here from some rando place on the Internet is a REALLY good way to get banhammered around here.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Word 38 posts, incept 2018-01-25
2022-09-16 21:25:51

@tickerguy
I wouldn't call it some rando place on the internet. They're both fully trained doctors and have been calling out covid from the start much like you have.

After what's happened over the last 3 years I think more questions need to be answered. Everything covid related has hinged around the PCR test which we know to be bullshit.

Anyway just wanted to get your thoughts on the topic.

Ban away if you feel you need to.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-16 21:26:33

Meh.

'No such thing as viruses'?

Bullshit.

Yeah, I read that crap some time ago. A few million years of evolutionary evidence says its bullshit.

I tire of this sort of bullshit so go run that crap somewhere else.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?

Doladin 66 posts, incept 2022-01-15
2022-09-16 23:00:13

Karl, I absolutely love articles where you go into technical details. I'm 30, and have never grown up with mainstream journalism that would apply an engineering approach, or even mention details or ask questions that aren't on the brochures.

If I was a soyboy fag into "tech", even those publications are just unboxing and discussing social justice issues.

That said, I am a skeptical person and will try to do my best to minimise emitting devices around me. I am somewhat spiritual and believe our bodies can attune to things not quite explained in the sciences (think prayer, meditation, collective conscience, manifestation, positive thinking - I find it all very "plausible")

I saw a funny anecdote that many recent "pandemics" in the past century or so came about the same year a new wireless technology was rolled out en masse!

My greatest issue with the smart devices is not just usage tracking, but priming consumers to be subconsciously influenced on their habits by small rewards and penalties. A little bit of 1984 meets Atlas Shrugged.

All sorts of companies are rolling out "reward" programs which absolutely influences buying habits. Insurance companies are doing similar, changing premiums depending on your behaviours. It's a slippery slope
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-16 23:23:57

Well that's a different matter entirely @Doladin; being involved in tech firms (as an employee, then as the owner) I'm well-aware of what they are trying to do, and how -- most of the time without the user's knowledge (and therefore without consent too.)

That's not the issue here in any way.

As for avoiding RF emitters, well, you're posting here so..... no you don't.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2022-09-17 07:16:19

Always grateful to learn new (old) stuff around here. You are a fucking awesome teacher Karl! Cheers!

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Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2022-09-17 08:10:32

I have a question. I have an electric hot water tank (80 gallon) on a timer system set for off peak hours. Is it more cost effective to run the timer? Or is it more cost effective to let the tank heat 24/7? Any thoughts?

I am not at all worried about my smart meter, nor am I worried about the electric ⚡ company knowing my pattern of electricity usage. I have better things to be concerned about (smile and wink).
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-17 08:16:03

@Susanlauren - If the cost of power is variable then yes.

If it is not then its more complicated. I have a monitoring and control system on my hot water heater; tank-style heaters lose more energy ($$$) at the start of an idle cycle than further on simply because the delta between the room they're in and the water is higher, thus more energy is lost. But, properly set, a hot water heater produces USABLE hot water for most purposes (e.g. a shower) WAY down said curve. The problem comes when you run out in the middle of said shower, of course.

Thus IF your use is predictable than a 'base' timer MIGHT be of some value. But if it isn't then the system must be adaptive or the savings are small and the potential convenience factor hit is large, thus its probably not even worth the cost of the timer switch. Mine is adaptive, in that it can detect (for example) use of the washing machine. In addition it can and does entirely remove the 'float' (e.g. it will heat the water, but once it detects that the unit has reached set point it shuts it off so there is no float loss over time after the tank reaches temperature.)

What I do here has a quite-measurable and real impact on power consumption (the switch also meters use, so I know EXACTLY what said impact is) and is worth it. A base timer probably isn't when convenience is factored in unless your power rate is time-sensitive. If it IS time-sensitive (e.g. cheaper at night) then it almost-certainly is a win in any event.

Standby losses during times of disuse are pure wasted money. Keeping the tank hot between 11 PM and 6 AM, for example, if everyone is sleeping during that time, is a wild waste of money and roughly a quarter of the day! If you wake up at 7:00 AM and that's the earliest you will want hot water then turning it on at 6:00 will measurably reduce consumption since it removes a good part of standby loss during the sleeping hours, and the reduced delta means the loss that does happen occurs more-slowly.

Just by way of example during this electrical billing cycle this is what the water heater has used thus far:

51.636 kWh
0.000 W

It is currently 'off' (that is, drawing nothing) but that's the power consumption thus far. I reset the metering when the bill comes. Automation saves me about 20% of what just 'leave it run' would be, and our power is level-cost (no difference with time of day.) If it was materially cheaper at night the savings would be considerably greater.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?

Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2022-09-17 08:59:37

Karl. I appreciate the detailed reply and explanation. You are probably helping more than just me. I suspect others may have had the same question. I have the opportunity to go on a time metered plan with peak, off peak and shoulder peak rates. I purchased my new home from an elderly couple. He was an engineer who loved to tinker and improvise so the timer is already a part of the hot water tank system. This helps me decide.

Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-17 09:02:47

Pay very close attention to those "tiered/timed" rates if they're optional. We have them available here and IMHO you'd have to be nuts to elect them for MOST residences.

If you're forced into it then you are, but if not then you need to carefully analyze time of use to figure out if it leads to lower or higher power bills. The problem with the option here is that the discount "off peak" hours is WILDLY too small given the escalation of peak pricing.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Lastquagga 11 posts, incept 2022-04-30
2022-09-17 10:19:37

Why do they use crappy disconnects. 200A single phase SSRs rated to 480V are up quite a bit from pre-COVID, but still under $40, qty 1. Wouldn't take much circuitry on my part to meter my shop by phase if I wanted to.
Jdough 219 posts, incept 2012-05-04
2022-09-17 10:19:40

Really interesting and for me timely post as my water meter was just switched to a smart one and I had been wondering how that worked. My electric meter has been smart ever since I bought the house. I figured they were cellular based but the mesh is more interesting and clever, as is the explanation about the water turbine powering the smart water meter. Thanks.

I'm sure the utility is getting more money now because the readers they hired to read our old style meters never actually read them and just wrote some low number every month. How do I know? I've had to use the shutoff at the meter because have no customer side shutoff and the meter itself was covered with dirt and debris and unreadable. I doubt I was the only one. I haven't poked around in the new meter yet because they changed the covers and I need a different meter key to get it open but I will be to make sure I can shut it off if I have to.

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America is a third world country with iPhones - Anonymous
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-17 10:20:58

Yeah a curb key for your meter style is a MUST. If you need one and don't have it.....

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-17 10:36:14

@Lastquagga - So that's $80 for both phases (and both must trigger at once); have you ever seen the $5 worth of parts in one of those on the disconnect side? Mechanical, solenoid-driven and stays either open or closed when driven, etc.

An SSR would, with fairly-trivial logic, also allow the meter to supervise sag and disconnect under unstable conditions, which would be quite a good thing when you get down to it in terms of damage to customer equipment, never mind sequencing with a short delay on stabilization/restoration (also a good thing.) But no, that costs money, so....

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Lastquagga 11 posts, incept 2022-04-30
2022-09-17 12:01:00

$80 if you buy them one at a time. I'd be surprised if they can't get the pair for under $30 in quantity.

Yes, I've seen the parts in contactors. Replaced one at church a while back. 40A 208V 3-phase. Actually, replaced it with SSRs for less than buying a rebuilt contactor. Again, I'm sure they could get better pricing than some random nobody walking into the local electrical supply house, qty 3.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-17 12:01:46

Oh no! The parts of those meters ain't a regular contactor like I said it's Chinese and it's crap

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Chemman 263 posts, incept 2021-05-03
2022-09-17 12:24:18

Inverse Square Law. I was told there would be no math or physics.

The big conspiracy theory out in my rural neck of the woods is chem trails.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-17 12:24:38

That's even MORE stupid.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Susanlauren 1k posts, incept 2021-05-01
2022-09-17 12:58:48

Yeah. I am not sure the metering rates for off hours make sense. You issue a fair warning, Karl. I think my best option is to turn on the timer the former owner set up for the hot water tank and skip the schedule for rates based upon time of day offered by the electric company. At a glance, it sounds great, but as I began to consider my electric usage throughout the day, it does not look like such a great deal.

As to the original topic, every single one of these alphabet letter government health agencies need to be defunded and disbanded. They are all captured by big pharma and corrupted to the core. They do not serve the purpose of protecting and safeguarding public health. Good riddance. As for chem trails, 5-G, smart meters and so forth ... Show me the evidence and if you can't, then STFU.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-17 13:00:40

How many people did malaria kill because people believed that "Silent Spring" bullshit?

Did anyone get slagged for that?

No.

They should have been flensed in public with Xacto knives.

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?

Keepingmyoptions 313 posts, incept 2007-10-21
2022-09-17 17:09:41

You forgot chemtrails and ELF.

Any comments with those in it should be banned, except this one, of course.

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