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 9/11 Can Now Drink
Drifter 1k posts, incept 2016-02-11
2022-09-11 16:23:33

When I saw J. Gorelick on the 911 commission, I knew it was nothing but a white wash.

Instead of sending every saudi back to the motherland, .gov decided to wage war on all of us.
Whitehat 10k posts, incept 2017-06-27
2022-09-11 16:33:20

The mistakes of this event, unpunished as always, led to today's Medical 9-11.

The parallels are soul crushing to say the least.

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smiley Je souhaite
3dogs 161 posts, incept 2018-12-25
2022-09-11 16:41:07

War on Drugs?

War on Terror?

Who would have thought, after all this time, it was a WAR ON YOU!

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I don't care if it hurts! I only care if you can't feel it!
Sonoran_monk 1k posts, incept 2021-08-16
2022-09-11 16:52:53

Since terrorism is violence or threats of violence in pursuit of political goals it is clear the biggest terrorist group is in D.C. Look at ****ler's recent speeches for a current example.

As far as the 'discrepancies' of the event, even if they came out and said, "yeah here's what really happened...", nothing would come of it. Look at the COVID situation and all of the admitted lies and chicanery.

Also **** Trump for signing an extension of the PATRIOT Act. He was skeptical of the explanations at the time as he was interviewed as a prominent New Yorker.

The overlords have a keen understanding of human psychology and they have been playing the fools like a fiddle for decades.
Loonster 1k posts, incept 2012-10-28
2022-09-11 16:53:11

I was in high school at the time of 911. I swallowed the government's lie. All of it. A few years later I got into a discussion with a friend about the merits of the Bush wars. He challenged me in that if I believe I am so correct, I should join. I did.

At the time, I reasoned that I would rather live with the regrets of joining than the regrets of not joining.

I learned the hard way.
Cmoledor 1k posts, incept 2021-04-13
2022-09-11 17:03:05

But at least you put your money where your mouth was loonster. My respect for that.

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The whole world is one big ****ing scam
Why are you giving a vulgarity warning here? Our genial host is an advocate of both skull****ing and sodomy via rusty chainsaw. Credit to Rollformer
Generalee 79 posts, incept 2011-04-30
2022-09-11 18:37:27

I recall the horror of the poor souls leaping to their demise. I recall seeing the second plane hit the second tower. I recall the rage toward those who planned and executed the attack. I recall what a bad idea the Patriot Act was and how it was improperly named (guess that has been going on forever). I recall flying and dealing with TSA once and said f this. I recall the bailouts and fraudulent mortgage foreclosure crap that further inflated our fiat for generations to come. I recall the changes that allow money market accounts that were frozen till it is advantageous for the bank, I recall the mark to market rule and I said f it all and I pulled everything to cash and closed it. I wasn't raised a gambler and I am not going to play along. I recall the short deadline to get the Vax or get disciplined. I recall asking Dr for letter that natural immunity was good enough and a medical accommodation would be warranted and got a shrug of the shoulder and a bloody recommendation to get the un-tried experimental jab. Hmmm. At least I have my memory. Unfortunately my family and offspring know the truth and how the gov't can't be trusted for anything.
Kwwilson 100 posts, incept 2022-03-02
2022-09-11 18:38:12

@Edwardteach -
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Does anyone else ever write out comments and then look at them and think gee that's just pointless "ditto" repetition or blindingly obvious for this audience or just plain meh or what have you and delete them without submitting? I find myself doing that more and more.
Same. Unless I feel I have something truly unique to add, I find Im staying back from joining the choir in these posts.

@Wifi - thanks for the history. These peoples stories should be put before us all, to exemplify the personal costs of allowing our governments to throw ours to the slaughter for some illogical overseas pursuits. At worst it might help others in Loonsters situation, at best it might make some see the larger problems of govt (deliberate?) failures that led to 9/11 and then were perpetrated in the name of (anti)terrorism.

@Loonster - I will add my thoughts; anyone willing to stand for their beliefs at high risk/costs is worthy of respect. Those who are astute enough to determine when those beliefs are incorrect and change them, sometimes at higher personal costs, even more so. Thanks for sharing.

I do not have a lot of unique commentary on this subject, other than as a non-American. I was appalled to watch the US government identify numerous enemies, first domestic (patriot act) then foreign. I was much more appalled to find my government eager to participate in the coalition of the willing. I was not against you, but I was certainly not in support of going to war overseas with you, either. (Nor sending other strong young men to stand/fight/die overseas on my behalf, in a battle picked by my government which I oppose)
Indianarube 770 posts, incept 2020-03-22
2022-09-11 18:38:25

@Susanlauren writes
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The aftermath has been even worse.
@Invisiblesun writes
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9/11 gave us two wars, the DHS, the Patriot Act, "legalized" spying on Americans, trillions of dollars in government spending.
And ole Rahm here tells us why, in less than twelve seconds, regardless of party affiliation.
Msheff 58 posts, incept 2018-05-03
2022-09-11 19:03:07

Divided and.... conquered. Mission accomplished.
Riverrat10k 354 posts, incept 2009-10-23
2022-09-11 19:29:17

Unfortunately, I have been a cynic about the .gov at WAY too young an age, from
about 1973 or so.

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A motion to adjourn and go fishing is always in order.
--me channeling Heinlein
Bossu 27 posts, incept 2019-01-14
2022-09-11 19:46:24

re: Planes

You'd think that on that day, there were some fighter jets near NYC or D.C. that could do what was called for, if not for NYC #1, but surely NYC #2 and absolutely for D.C., but did nothing. They were told to stand down.

Fast forward to today... Do we have fighter jets in the air or within 5 or 10 minutes of being in the air around major U.S. Cities? Probably not,
since personnel are not being adequately trained to operate ANY war fighting equipment but instead are placated in their daydreaming of new pet names for their mutilated crotch.
Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-11 19:47:24

An alert level in general on our soil? Armed (that's another set of sign-offs inside the US)?

HA!

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?
Tritumi 1k posts, incept 2008-11-29
2022-09-11 20:10:59

The day was a double shock for me. First, of course, the event itself. I woke up to it and the first thing I saw was the first tower going down and constant replay. The second reason is more, what can I say, odd.

Odd, because two nights before I had a dream.

I awake on an old bare mattress on old coiled springs in an old tenement room, flaking paint, dirty windows. These look down on an old bookshop I frequented and I located myself in the second floor of a low building on the west side of the corner of Greenmount and 33rd St in Baltimore. (I lived in the area in various locations and in fact was born on 33rd St and attended university a short walk away.)

In my dream, a phone rang and, on a scarred and chipped desktop a laptop screen came to life. A female voice advised me to go back to sleep that the cell was not yet to be woken. I returned to bed and that dream segment ends.

Needless to say, as I can recount it here, that dream has always stayed with me. Later that day I wrote to a friend that the consequences and retributions would be incalculable. That weekend I attended a trade show out of town and learned that the brother of a rep from a rival firm was on Flight 93.

When I consider the historically significant trauma spikes my generation has been battered by, 911 is as potent as the JFK assassination. For those whom 911 is their formative event, the imagery is perhaps even more severe.

The consequences continue to be calculated.

Bzelbob 301 posts, incept 2021-09-12
2022-09-11 21:21:39

Add to the litany of government failures the name Christine Todd Whitman and the EPA.

Like the "safe and effective" message for the vax, she told New Yorkers that the air was safe to breathe when anyone with the IQ of a donkey could see the air was literally full of ash and asbestos.
When .gov says "safe and effective" they mean for them, not for you.

9/11 is over, but the fruit from this poison tree continues to grow.

All that is gold does not glitter;
all that is long does not last;
All that is old does not wither;
not all that is over is past.

Not all that have fallen are vanquished;
a king may yet be without crown,
A blade that was broken be brandished;
and towers that were strong may fall down.

- Tolkien - older version of 'All that is Gold does not Glitter'

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"Threats are illogical. And payment is usually expensive." - Sarek of Vulcan
Msheff 58 posts, incept 2018-05-03
2022-09-11 21:21:58

The people matter they are vital but you cant expect any support from people you cant protect.
General Sir Harold Briggs, First Director of Operations, Malaya, in The Running Dogs of War: Malaya 1948-1960 by Noel Barber.
Crossthread 12k posts, incept 2007-09-04
2022-09-11 21:51:20

ALL I've got too add, **** the Government..
RIP

Inline

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Everyone of us are ignorant, its just we specialize our ignorance on different subjects.

The only walls that will confine you are the ones that you build yourself
Capcomp 314 posts, incept 2009-09-10
2022-09-12 10:18:45

I still vividly remember 9/11/01. I worked for DOT in downtown DC. Walked across the 14th street bridge towards the burning Pentagon. Hitched a ride on the GW Parkway as you could not walk on the path to National Airport as Flt 93 was still in the air and they thought it was heading to DC. Got dropped off in Alexandria and was able to hop a commuter train home to my wife and 4 small kids.

Later in the day I watched a low flying small private plane get buzzed by an F-15.

That day forever changed me. I had been in fed.gov since 1985 in a variety of places but after that I no longer wanted to work on the wrong side of the river from VA.

I stayed in fed.gov until Feb 2008 when I resigned (not retired) my position (TSI/SCI).

I've been self-employed ever since and while it does not pay as well it is much more satisfying.

I will never forget the events of that day. It was what propelled a whole lot of change for me.
Tritumi 1k posts, incept 2008-11-29
2022-09-12 10:19:34

While the dust was still spreading, one reporter asked a guy in a baseball cap for a man on the street comment. That fellow immediately blamed bin Laden.

I thought at the time how remarkable. And how remarkable for the media set up.

Somewhere I have a screen capture I grabbed of baseball cap man and will post it if I find it.
Guerin 121 posts, incept 2021-09-26
2022-09-12 10:19:46

I couldn't drink when this happened, and was in class during it. 2001 phones didn't have news alerts, so the world literally changed from before class to after. It was more than a little ironic since I'd been on a plane to Europe that summer and the man who arranged the trip had made sure the group flew out of Canada since he'd had someone he knew killed on another airplane terror attack and was fearful of a repeat.

9/11 was notable in that the government seems to have shifted at that point to explicitly framing its failures in such a way that the only solutions were more money, more power, and the weakening or elimination of procedural safeguards.

The folks visited the memorial in Shanksville a couple times. I think it's emblematic of the way the government is that the chimes installed there don't work most of the time, and to be honest, the brutalist nature of the place is a pretty poor way to honor the dead.
Mannfm11 8k posts, incept 2009-02-28
2022-09-12 10:34:56

Looks like all we received was a NAZI Act misnamed patriot and several trillion in war debt, much accrued by attacking a part not involved.

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The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectable.---John Kenneth Galbraith
Checkthisout 327 posts, incept 2010-10-01
2022-09-12 10:37:55

If I'm not mistaken the executive branch has the authority to dismantle the 'agencies' portion of the government. We just need an executive with the balls to do it. I'm not holding my breath.
Inline

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Tickerguy 188k posts, incept 2007-06-26
2022-09-12 11:01:58

As is usual I DID get my upper-body workout a couple of times.... smiley

"Naw, he won't do it."

Uh huh...

 

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NASA faked out a computer instead of running the test.
Then tried to launch and aborted instead of going "BOOOM!"
Did they abort the JABS after faking THOSE tests?

Metalqueen 165 posts, incept 2021-09-10
2022-09-12 11:20:50

The real "conspiracy" question that remains has nothing to do with "controlled demolitions" or "CGI planes", but with the failures of the so-called "intelligence" agencies themselves.

I don't think it is smiley to ask (1)What did they know and when did they know it, and given what we have learned about the nature of these agencies in the 21 years since (2)were some of them in on it?

smiley and smiley may not be enough.

Wifi 10k posts, incept 2013-02-13
2022-09-12 12:24:34

How to tell who was banned, the old system showed, "banned" under the user, or am I missing something?

Maybe a big blood stain, or brain matter under the user name.

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