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 The 28th Amendment
Eleua 21k posts, incept 2007-07-05
2022-07-13 15:41:19

If we are dreaming big...

"The 14th Amendment's citizenship clause shall be construed to have its basis in the bestowing of citizenship to the recently emancipated slaves within the United States. It is not now, nor in its history, to bet, or have been construed to grand citizenship on a birthright basis within the boundaries of the United States, unless both parents, whether biological or lawfully adoptive, are recognized citizens, or legal permanent residents for seven consecutive years or more, of the United States, at the time of birth of the child. Any such legal precedent or distinction based upon jus solis citizenship shall be null and void.

(I'm going to need help wordsmithing this next clause)

In cases of blended citizenship status between legitimate under the proper construing of the 14th Amendment, and the illegitimate concept of jus solis ("birthright") citizenship with ineligible parentage, to claim citizenship under this amendment, no less than 75% of the ancestory of a person so seeking citizenship shall, as of January 1, 1966, have been otherwise entitled to citizenship under the legitimate construing of the 14th Amendment.

No citizen of the United States shall hold dual citizenship with any other recognized sovereign past their 25th birthday. Any citizen affirmatively obtaining citizenship from another sovereign past their 25th birthday shall be stripped of their United States citizenship and forego any right to reside permanently wthin the United States. All naturalized citizens shall affirmatively renounce, without deception nor purpose of evasion, their prior citizenships as a result of their naturalized citizenship status, regardless of age.







No way in hell this could get ratified, but the debate over the H-C act of 1965 promised the ethic balance of the US would not change. It was retarded to believe them, but if we are engaged in the retarded concept of "jus solis," then we can retroactively define the citizenship, as ex pos facto does not apply to constitutional amendments.

My main points are:

Birthright citizenship is bullshit. Congress alone determines citizenship requirements, and playing hide-and-seek with the USBP/ICE, while actively breaking the most fundamental of laws, shall not be the basis of a governmental benefit.

The 14th, as was the 13th and 15th, were about recently emancipated slaves. They were put in to prevent Southern Democrats (who just lost a war) from engaging in fuckery over the issue.

Hart-Cellar act was bullshit and we are resetting the clendar to one month past its passage. Even then, we still have a bunch of bullshit "legal" immigration based upon illegal chain migration.

No fuckery with dual citizenship. You are either loyal to the US or you are not.

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Diversity + proximity = WAR

-They wanted camps; I want ropes.
Burya_rubenstein 2k posts, incept 2007-08-08
2022-07-14 10:44:23

Quote:
The 14th, as was the 13th and 15th, were about recently emancipated slaves.

I hope I'll be forgiven for saying that it should have said so in the first place.
Eleua 21k posts, incept 2007-07-05
2022-07-14 11:49:20

Given the recent tumultuous history of the Civil War, and how the 13th and 15th OBVIOUSLY applied to emancipated slaves (outlawing slavery and giving them the right to vote), the 14th should obviously be construed that way.

Granted, it seems like the authors of our constitution should have written it like it was targeted for an evil, retarded 5 year old, since those people tend to grow up and "interpret" it in the manner contrary to its obvious meaning.

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Diversity + proximity = WAR

-They wanted camps; I want ropes.
Loonereclipse 2 posts, incept 2008-02-25
2022-07-15 07:06:12

Interesting discussion on how to best represent civilians within this ever expanding democracy. We clearly saw that there are some decent people left in both state and federal levels of government over the past couple of years, but there appears to be an epidemic of disinformation. In both the financial, political and internet realm that has come together to destabilize the country and its direction. While many are focused on finding someone to blame the situation gets worse and the solutions more distant.
When the dollar takes precedence over morality and our investment in the constitution we have a crisis as ones intent becomes suspect.
In short the founders were able to deal with the disinformation and were protected by the isolation of the population and the continent. The old saying the bigger they are the harder they fall comes to mind when looking at the expansion of world economies and political systems. Vaccinated or not no one will be immune to the choice our leaders (financial cronies)make. Covid, election turmoil and the Russian war in Ukraine are illuminating the fragility of the nation and the globe. Some will fall harder than others. Trying to figure this out can be dizzying.
We currently have a country that has strong beliefs in upholding and protecting the rights of the unborn and the purchasing power of people set to kill our youth. How can one even take sides in this kind of mayhem. Not sure these issues can ever be resolved and so I am not expecting things to become more United any time soon. We will save a bundle on cutting the cost of abortions and make a fortune taxing the selling of weapons which will help the economy. But I am not sure we are protecting our quality of life. Seems like the perfect time to be looking at constitutional amendments for answers.
Johnminter 6 posts, incept 2022-08-25
2022-08-25 17:01:35

I like it. I suspect it would be an uphill battle to get it passed. Any ideas on how to sell it to the electorate?
Lenguado 3k posts, incept 2010-01-12
2022-11-08 18:02:38

'Any natural born or naturalized citizens of the United States whom receive Federally based financial aid payments, from programs that do not require their prior taxed contributions, may not vote in Federal Elections.

This clause requires voter identification via the use of State issued REAL ID identification prior to voting, and that States and localities must maintain valid and accurate voting roles that verify both United States citizenship and non-receipt of Federally based financial aid payments, from programs that do not require their prior taxed contributions.

This clause in no way restricts or prohibits United States citizens from voting in State, County or locality elections or races. Polling stations may need to provide separate Federal election ballots.'


Essentially, if you are on ANY Federal welfare programs, you don't vote for Representatives, Senators, VP, President. However, this still allows retired folks on Social Security and on Medicare to vote - but not Medicaid.

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"War is when your government tells you who the enemy is. A revolution is when you figure it out yourself." --Unknown
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevita

Reason: clarification
Mjeff87 1k posts, incept 2021-11-22
2022-11-08 18:39:54

I absolutely love and support everything about that, except the Real ID part.

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Si Vis Pacem, para Bellum
Lenguado 3k posts, incept 2010-01-12
2022-11-11 12:24:59

Yeah, I forgot that you don't need to be a US citizen to get a Real ID. Just have to be here legally. So that isn't the best avenue I guess....

But, how else to verify US Citizenship? Everyone has to have a Passport to register to vote? Or bring your Naturalization papers?

Not a /sarc response. A question of what other practical method to be able to verify US citizenship to register to vote. Or, maybe make it up to the state to do the citizenship verification?

Hadn't thought it all the way through.

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"War is when your government tells you who the enemy is. A revolution is when you figure it out yourself." --Unknown
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevita
Tsherry 10k posts, incept 2008-12-09
2022-11-13 08:06:02

Quote:
legally.


How quaint.

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This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. - The Hunt for Red October
Burya_rubenstein 2k posts, incept 2007-08-08
2022-11-15 12:42:59

I don't see anything on the sample to indicate citizen vs. legal resident, let alone whether the person in on the dole.

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I guess the election workers will have to look it up for each voter. But this would require an internet connection which is a bad idea for other reasons. Maybe the verification can be done before election day while compiling the voter roles?
Jack_crabb 15k posts, incept 2010-06-25
2022-11-25 19:26:11

Fuck Real ID. That is all, motherfuckers.

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Molon Labe
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Wayiwalk 573 posts, incept 2016-11-09
2022-11-29 19:19:44

Agree Fuck the real id.

NJ lost many citizens on 9/11, and real id was to make this country "safer"...but for a very long time the state kept getting extensions and exemptions from implementing it, I guess because, it's hard.

Florida got its program together almost a decade earlier. But derr...Florida man.

I think NJ got its program voing around the same time it started offering ID s to illegals.

What a shit state.

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The Lockdowns Will Continue Until the Morale Improves!

I keep thinking, "it can't get any worse" and then it does!
Fumei 3k posts, incept 2019-01-08
2022-11-30 08:26:58

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