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Lake Mead will drop below the usable water level threshold in the next couple of years, give or take. When that happens, hoover dam will no longer generate electricity, and all the tens of millions of people who rely on the lake for their drinking water are going to be fucked. It is conceivable that whole cities and communities will be unlivable. Human beings need water, food and shelter in order to survive. The reason the population in the desert stayed so small was because the land won't support many people naturally, and the desert is a hot mofo in the summer and without AC it is a miserable place to live. I predict Las Vegas and Phoenix will see a huge decline in population in the coming years, simply by necessity. If I can see this, other folks can too, but nobody in leadership seems to be putting a plan together to deal with it. Instead they whine about climate change, as if that will fill the lake back up. Idiots. They will all wail and cry when the lake runs dry and say "nobody could have seen this coming". It will be a huge humanitarian and financial crisis when 20 million people have no water, and finally realize that they live in a fucking desert. The death toll could be epic. Or the refugee crisis that follows will wreak havoc on the areas that have to receive all the people fleeing the desert.

To quote Susan Lauren "This will not end well"
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Funny timing. I had a rant yesterday with my wife about the pickle California is in.

There was a time that state was forward thinking outside of the narrow areas it presently focuses on.

The obvious answer would have been development of SAFE (esp considering quakes) nuke power and desalination plants for water. They live right next to an ocean, it could not be easier.

Would have been easy 2 decades ago for a California "Manhattan" project...maybe would have reached fruition by now. Better use of all those brains in their formerly great schools.

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Bagbalm wrote:
Same thing when I was a kid in North Carolina in the early 60s nobody would build more than a tar paper fishing shack on Emerald Isle.

Same here on the SENC Coast..
If Interested, look into the History of North Topsail Island.. Or ANY of Our Barrier Islands here on the Coast.. Folks

That said..

If you look at the *OLD* Topographic Maps, areas outside of Wilmington, N.C., The Country side Per se.. consisted of nothing but.. SWAMPS..

Of course NOW real estate Developers have Sold the dream great weather, Low Taxes & living close to the Beach..

Having "built" & over built, on top of these Swamps, Which in effect absorbed those (excessive) rainfalls & filtering out the water(s)..
Where-as NOW a pretty good Thunder storm Makes roads impassable, and Whole neighborhood(s) "flooded"..

Even during Higher than Normal tides are NOW a major problem..
Never mind Dozens of Scientific papers showing Island Roll-over, essential to a Barrier Islands Health.. Controlling Erosion etc etc..

Good/Decent Tropical Storm or even a Hurricane, SENC turns into one giant LAKE..
See (examples) of Hurricanes Floyd, Florence, Fran, Bertha in recent years.

Even NOW, these crazy Cucks are trying to get High-Rise Condo's built on the WEST Bank of the Cape Fear River, in Wilmington.. A Certified Swamp(s) & Wet Lands.. (Used Historically for Rice Fields in the Late 1800's..)

Everyone of us are ignorant, its just we specialize our ignorance on different subjects.

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As far as forward-looking projects reaching fruition these days, see: California High Speed Rail project. "... so far behind schedule that it has yet to lay a single mile of track, despite 14 years of work and about $5bn spent."

The last large public project that actually did reach fruition, and is still in use, was the California aqueduct project started in the 1960s. Yes, there was a time....

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Not all that long ago, the islands/beaches around here were considered "country" and not very desirable but to a select few. Hell, I had family on Sullivans Island in the 1800-1900s and they were, by no means, wealthy. Now, it's a very exclusive island to live on.
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Just last month the California Coastal Commision unanimously rejected plans for a major desalination plant in So. Cal. The leftist mindset is crazy.


On May 12, the California Coastal Commission board of directors voted 11-0 to deny the application from Poseidon Water to build a desalination plant in Huntington Beach. Since 1998, Poseidon has spent over $100 million on design and permit work for this plant. At least half of that money was spent on seemingly endless studies and redesigns as the Coastal Commission and other agencies continued to change the requirements. The denial of Poseidons application makes it very unlikely another construction contractor will ever attempt to build a large-scale desalination plant on the California coast.

This is a historic mistake. If youre trying to eliminate water scarcity, desalination is an option you cant ignore. Desalination has the unique virtue of relying on a literally inexhaustible feedstock, the worlds vast and salty oceans. At an estimated total volume of 1.1 quadrillion acre feet (1.1 billion million acre feet), there will always be enough ocean.

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Does this mean that there is an inadequate amount of land and water to accommodate the yearnings of every Bengali lad to have his very own convenience store in the USA to enrich the lives of Americans?
I thought that the chamber of commerce had studies showing abundant water in the USA but a paucity of suburban paved over land and a dire shortage of H1B visas.
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My one acre island on Lake Winnisquam has a house that sits on it and is 21 feet above the high water mark of the lake which is regulated by a dam at the south end of the lake. My island is in Meredith NH but my mailing address is in Laconia. The flood maps from FEMA use the mailing address and they want $13k a year for flood insurance. However, if they used the actual address in Meredith, I don't need flood insurance. A private flood insurance company came to look to give us a quote. They saw exactly what we saw, that maybe a 1000 year flood might get my house but if it did, the entire lakes region of NH and downstream would be completely destroyed. So they decided to charge us $1100/year for the privilege of insuring us. I spent $1k for a survey company to topo the island and submit a request for FEMA to update their maps. Its been 5 months since we submitted the request and we are still waiting for FEMA to update their maps. We are subsiding the asshats building mcmansions in Miami.
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Bumfuque, CO
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Any conversation about snowfall and drought in the west is seriously lacking unless the effects of El Nino and La Nina are included. Snowfall is highly variable and the effects of the two patterns will direct snow on a northerly or southerly path. Climate "scientists" tend to cherry pick the areas to reflect the lower-snowfall areas for that year.

DenverWater, the utility that serves Denver and some metro-area suburbs, is currently expanding Gross Dam which will increase the capacity by almost 300%. The water to fill this up will come from the Colorado River Basin via cross-Continental Divide diversions. *If* there was such a concern about drought, this project never would have been approved by the EPA, USACE, etc.

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I fought this repeatedly when I lived in the Panhandle and always lost, but refused to shut up about it regardless. You want to put up another condo? Fine. Pay an impact fee that covers the increased road capacity construction and utility build-out necessary to serve the people who come when you're done, and do it up front. No? GTFO.

@Karl ... was your county somehow exempt from DRI (Development of Regional Impact) requirements? Or was that after 2012ish? DRI went away when Rick Scott nuked the entire Dept of Community Affairs (I think 2011?), but that's the sort of thing they were meant to address. I was involved in some very large (1500+ acres) project planning in the mid 2000s and ran the hyper-expensive DRI gauntlet, but I'm pretty sure the traffic thresholds would have kicked in for condos, if nothing else. Just curious.

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there are two apostrophes on your phone, a slanted one and a vertical one. Only the vertical one ' works here. Hold on the key to toggle

Also smart quotes don't work.

RE: stupid people doing stupid things--I was in a national park up north once and all of the bushes were chewed up to about 3' off the ground. It was from an arctic hare population explosion the previous year. The guide mentioned that the populations tended to soar and crash. When they soared, they eventually ate up the easy forage and tended to die off in large numbers. People are sort of the same way in some respects. The times when things are crashing are hard.

Not directly related to building in Las Vegas on on the flood plain is a book I read a few years ago--The Twilight of Abundance, by David Archibald. The first half talks a lot about a cooling cycle that may be / is starting. It's fairly pessimistic, as the title suggests.
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@Rangeishot - They had managed to get around them somehow, and kept at it.

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To give readers an idea of the California water supply usage:

- 80% is used for agriculture

- 10% for traditional residential use

- 10% for wildlife preservation (don't suck the rivers dry)

The entire burden of water rationing falls on Residential. Farmers are never asked to do with less, or to change what crops are growing. We grow things like rice and alfalfa in CA which are very water intensive.

No talk of ending food exports to other states to conserve water. Can't get a desalinization plant built.

The assholes in Beverly Hills and other wealthy areas don't want their landscaping to die so the water companies are installing flow restrictors to force customers to use less.
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Incept: 2021-01-15

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Well , we have lots of problems in Mississippi, but lack of water aint one of them. We are supposedly in a drought right now. Cant burn my windrows at the farm. Everything is still green as gourd. Lakes are full , creek is running through the bottom. Lots of places in the bottom still mucky . Garden is doing well.

Got a heat advisory high of 98 humidity in mid forties. But hell , thats just summertime in MS , the humidity should be about 85 here. If you spend a few hours working in the heat, sitting in the swing up on the hill ,under the big oak u can get a chill when the wind blows.
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There is plenty of water off California, of course, but its salty.

There's plenty of water ON California too... if only they'd stop tearing down damns.


It's not just on the Klamath, they've been doing this in the Sierra as well.

Going back into history, the Los Angeles basin was a horrible plot of land on which to build a civilization due to the irregularity of water. The reason why downtown LA was established inland, where it is, and not on the coastline was that it was one of the last reliable pieces of high ground along the banks of the LA river where water flow could be utilized for living without fear of the occasional flash flood.

Even then, it was a sparsely populated backwater area, governed by the Presidio up in Santa Barbara. There was just no "carrying capacity" here for significant civilization. Spain literally GAVE large plots "ranchos" of LA land away to retired soldiers in lieu of cash, and their repeated attempts with agriculture and cattle raising all inevitably failed due to occasional drought. The only crop that finally managed to suit the environment was citrus.

It didn't really become a viable place for a metropolis until after Mulholland and his aqueduct from up in the Eastern Sierra watershed. And, LA would not have been able to support the population density it does without an extensive system of flood control channels and catchements that manage the irregular flash flooding.

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Anyone who can think can see global warming is a fiction played on people who haven't been alive long enough to digest the story to put in totalitarian rule and economically rape them. They are going to meter us, bet on it. The same people will own the credits, like Al Gore.

For a place that has many billion years of history and almost no data, in most places, a few years doesn't make a trend. Read the science behind global warming and the critics, you find they jiggled the cooling temperatures out of the data. They issued last year was the hottest on record, when evidence said different.

When we moved into the county I live nearly 60 years ago, there were maybe 50,000 people drawing out of a mudhole lake. They expanded the lake in 1970. The nearly 1 million people moved in. Back in 2013, that lake got pretty damn low, but several years of decent rainfall has kept it at a high level. They finally built another lake. There are probably another million people coming. Hopefully they built on another branch of the river or it will just be storage in a series of dry years.

I live on a creek. I'm pretty high up, but I have imagined a bad enough flood, it could get the house. Fortunately the watershed only goes a little over a mile or there would be a lot of concrete to fill up the ditch. I received mail from the city a few months ago, informing me last year was a 100 year flood and they needed to assess damage. Water was over the bridge on the cross street and up to the landscape wall. I can only hope they are right.

Dallas is proteccted by levies around downtown. They were built a long time ago. I have seen sustained water near the top a few times over the past decade. Lakes have limited capacity, full when it rains dwindling when it doesn't. It either rains here year to year or it doesn't. Water has to flow. In the meantime, concrete up north has multiplied several times and real history compared to time is short.

They go places like Antarctica and film stuff, like it never happened. Same up north. The Titantic sank around 1914. Seems to me it hit an ice berg. That didn't freeze floating around the Atlantic.

What they are really praying for is a high rainfall year. This is the only thing that fills resevoirs. Lavon dwindled over a few dry years. High rainfall is the exception, in some places and in dry areas, they can be few and far between or show up a few years in a row.

I bought this book about a big ranch on the plain between Big Bend anf the mountains south of Alpine. Seems around 1910 it was purchased and the new owner was met with a rainy year. It gave him the impression he could run more cattle, then normal returned. For those who have never been there, it can be hell on Earth and like Karl says, one look tells you arid. The Rio Grand is a flowing creek there. There is a hell of a lot of land drained by the Rio Grande. Unknown to most, it is nearly as long as the Mississippi. You would never know it. The Colorado isn't short itself. They only flow the water there. Both have deep canyons.

We can breathe a sigh of relief about water here a few years, if it rains enough to fill the new lake. It can rain 50 inches here in wet years, 15 in dry years.

Texas was prone to bad tornados in the 1930's. You go to an old farm house, you often find a storm cellar. They recognized there were tornados and built for them. If there were enough to create that reaction, you have to assume there were plenty. They didn't have the capacity to measure them and there were fewer people to experience them. Today they call that global warming. They called it nature back then.

On another aside, you have concrete for warmer summer nights. I grew up in a house with no AC, but ceiling and attic fans. It cooled down when the sun set. You can forget about that today, as it is still 95 here at 10 PM in July and August. It was probably 10 degrees cooler 50 years ago. Go out 50 miles, it still is.

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And after they supply you water State and Federal grants are needed to legally dispose of your sewerage. Progress?

Yeas ago there was an article, possibly in Geographic, which described a Royal home in Scotland, IIRC. All waste water was drained to a nearby swamp. The article never mentioned who gave permission for this to continue.
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On another aside, you have concrete for warmer summer nights. I grew up in a house with no AC, but ceiling and attic fans. It cooled down when the sun set. You can forget about that today, as it is still 95 here at 10 PM in July and August. It was probably 10 degrees cooler 50 years ago. Go out 50 miles, it still is.

Urban heat island. I have experienced this first hand (don't have to go 50 miles for it in Birmingham). I've been lucky enough to own a couple of roadsters and am very familiar with heading out of town to the house on a Summer evening and feeling that temp drop.

Seems this effect on temp data is ignored too. Many of the temp stations used to support the alleged warming weren't in the heat island 10-20 years ago.
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This group spent 20 years opposing the Poseidon desalinization plant.

No one else will try to build the same kind of plant now in California, because the "environmental justice" wackos will oppose everything.

Oh, and did you know the California Coastal Commission that rejected the plant isn't elected and answers to no higher power in the state? They are literally one of the the highest powers.
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Stop for a moment and ponder the absurdity that Karl's article about a. weather and b. population trends has to be posted on the non-advertising side of the site. We are very far from where we were just a few years ago. What will a few more years bring?
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The West is going back to being what it Naturally is. A Desert. Desert rats know how to live here, others will eventually leave.


Call it 'No Free Lunch', the 'Steady State', a 'chaotic strange attractor', or simply 'reversion to the mean'.
It all means things return to their equilibrium state when no more energy is put in.

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I read your article...but, when you quoted the "expert" as having talked to CNN, it was difficult to continue. Do people still watch those clowns?

Hubby and I took a tour of Lake Mead and the Hoover Dam in 2018, and we both thought that there were too many hogs sucking at the water trough and it is going to catch up to them.

Its a desert! For the left tards, that means hot and dry most of the time.

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Here's somethings to consider regarding "Climate Change"

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Uhhhhh, Leilani Estates circa 2018 anyone? If you remember that far back. Don't build your home on top of a volcano. To the majority of the land owners' credit, they DID understand that the inundation of lava was a real possibility since the area is in the highest risk zone for lava. Most of the people (and I'm one of them) knew that they were rolling the dice when they bought in that area, and they rolled snake eyes. Many people didn't take it too horribly as they were well aware of the risk- as bad/ sad as it was. Funny, for as liberal as the area is there was still a bit of practicality coming out of those brains. The property was cheap, and two acres was less than the price of a mid range car. On the bright side with the complete wipeout of the area, since the land was so cheap the neighborhood was starting to get real tweeky with a lot of bad customers coming into the area; so getting that element out was a net positive. Crime was on the rise. Plus I met the new nextdoor neighbor earlier in the year who was camping permanently on his lot (a Leilani HOA no-no) before the flow who had come from San Jose, CA- and he was a real douche bag; so there was a bit of karma there that I won't have to deal with him again.

Funny, I was just reading an email from my water district in central California. This is their magical thinking when it comes to building more houses, which they are doing en masse, quoted from their newsletter:

"With growth comes new water supplies. When developers build homes, they pay a charge that goes into a District account that is used to purchase new water supply sources (groundwater wells or surface water treatment capacity). This process increases the total local water supply that is needed to accommodate growth."

Yeah, that will really fix total water capacity in this state. Denial is more than a river in Egypt.

And, I don't know if it was discussed earlier but somewhere in central California they just shot down building a desalinization plant after all of the EIR's and what have you. The point of recommendation for the "no" from one of the oversight groups was that the plan did not satisfactorily account for sea level rise and climate change. Are you f-ing kidding me!!?? Build a wall around the plant to account for sea level rise! But, oh, we can't build walls they're racist.

Anyways, we're too stupid out here to bureaucratically make any progress on our overpopulation woes. We do need more capacity for drinking water because the Delta Smelt (which they found none of in the last survey) needs its fair share of water flushed downstream straight into the ocean, because people and farmers come second out here. Oh, and let's REMOVE several dams on the northern CA/ OR border while we're at it because salmon need the entire river length to spawn. The morons.
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Large dairies are leaving California in droves relocating here in the Midwest. Encroaching population, urban sprawl, regulation, and lacking the water to expand are only but a number of the reasons. How are they financing their moves? Why, by selling off their water rights and moving here where the water is abundant and nearly free. We're talking 5,000 - 10,000 cow dairies here so the facilities cost millions. And, here they have to over-build in comparison to California to allow for snow load on the roofs, etc. One dairy that moved in near here didn't hide the fact that the sale of their CA water rights paid 100% of the cost of their new facilities.

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