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2022-06-21 06:00 by Karl Denninger
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Ok, so they're half-crazy.

World swimming's governing body has effectively banned transgender women from competing in women's events, starting Monday.

FINA members widely adopted a new "gender inclusion policy" on Sunday that only permits swimmers who transitioned before age 12 to compete in women's events. The organization also proposed an "open competition category."

Here's the problem: The ban should be absolute, since advocating for, which this does, the destruction of a minor's sexual function ought to get you locked up in a cell full of fire ants.

I have no quarrel with an "open" competition group but let's cut the crap: When it comes to events where musculature and cardio are determinative of success there are going to be a severe deficit of "XX" chromosome people successfully competing in such events.

For those of you who continue to insist on stupid, have a look here.

I just ran this race a few days ago.  I placed 21st overall and got bumped for first in division (50-59 age men) by 10 seconds.  I couldn't beat that guy, but I did keep Hanna and Michael from passing me.  In fact I passed her on the way into the stadium, where the finish was, and I could hear her behind me.  Nope, not today, said I, and the last part of it, which was around the warning track and then a run around the bases from 1st to Home where the mat was, got what I had left -- which was, surprisingly, a decent little bit after the fairly-ugly hills on the course itself.

Now look at the people faster than I was.  There were 20 of them.  Three were women and all three were at least 20 years younger than I am, with one being 15.  The closest 50+ woman in the race finished 44th overall at 29:01, more than four minutes behind me.

That's not because I'm Superman; I am most-definitely NOT.  It's because I was conceived by a combination of sperm and egg that contained an XY chromosome pair and, from that moment forward, my physiology developed differently than someone who was conceived with an XX chromosome pair.  This is determined at the moment of conception by the male's sperm which is either "XO" or "XY" and beyond that instant in time there's nothing you can do about it, ever, no matter what you do.

Once in a while you get an error in that process like all other biological processes.  This is how mutation happens in every organism and yet in virtually every case these are defects, when you get down to it.  That is, they produce harm objectively -- someone with Klinefelter's, for example, is "XXY" and typically has a micropenis.  Most men (and, I dare say, most women) would consider that a defect.

AP and all the screaming "advocates" are lying.  For example:

The debate essentially boils down to advocates who want to protect the space Title IX carved out for cisgender women — women whose gender identity matches the sex they were assigned at birth — and those who want transgender athletes who compete as females to enjoy the same protections as anyone else. Consensus is nowhere in sight, and the fights are piling up.

Sex is not "assigned" at birth; that is a damned lie and anyone who runs it should be loudly shouted down, and if necessary and they try to turn that lie into public policy, jailed or worse.

You don't "assign" sex at birth you recognize what is or is not present at the time of birth as objective fact.

If the baby has a penis it is male.  If the baby has a vulva and no penis it is female.  Period.

If it truly isn't clear genetic testing will prove one way or another, but it is rarely not clear.  About one in a thousand, or 0.1% of children, are not instantly and obviously male or female at the time of birth and that is not "assigned" -- it was determined by which sperm and egg joined at the moment of conception.  Anyone who claims an "assignment" was made by someone -- anyone -- at birth is a damned liar and a monster.  Period.

From said lie all the rest of the remaining bullshit with regard to this issue flows.

Title IX may be a wart-filled mess but it was passed because women's sports typically received less funding.  Is that "fair"?  Do you have a right, as a consequence of being alive, to "fairness" in that regard?  I argue the answer is NO because the fundamental issue is what people wish to spend money attending and thus which particular thing(s) attract more voluntary financial support.

Nobody is forced to go to a football game and spend money.  They go because they want to see it.  In a marketplace of ideas the best ones attract the most money.

To force "equality" in this regard is to steal from those who, in the view of the general public, are more attractive of someone's funds.  If people pay $100 for a ticket to watch men throw a pigskin around and tackle one another, but will not fill a stadium at any price when women play their version of said game, whether it be football, baseball/softball, basketball or similar that's not "inequality" -- its consumer preference.

To forcibly extract $20 of that $100 football ticket and give it to the girls sports team is theft at gunpoint and no amount of arm-waving and bullshit changes that.  Yet here we are, and now, having argued for the  "feelz" said women are screwed because the very same "feelz" are being weaponized by men who take drugs or even cut off their penis because they are profoundly unhappy with what happened at the time their first cell came into existence and therefore wish to punish others for their unhappiness.

Women deserve this outcome because it was women who argued against fact in the first place and demanded this garbage be put in place originally.  If you want women's sports to have a big gate (and thus be self-supporting) figure out what people want to pay to attend and support and provide it.

FINA is right but again the problem arose in the first place because feelz were put before facts and weaponized.  This in turn allowed those who know damn well they've got a biological advantage conferred upon them at the moment of conception in certain sports to turn around and "Black Knight" women's sports, taking the very arguments that were made to put feelz before facts and shoving it up women's asses.

The answer isn't to talk about "trans" anything.

The answer is to stop being stupid and repeal that which was passed to legislate feelz that contradicted facts, in this case Title IX, and tell those who are factually men but wish they were women that while they're free to do whatever they'd like in their private lives once they are adults at their own expense we will not, as a society, allow them to screw women out of a fair contest nor will we let them screw anyone of either sex out of a single nickel to assuage their insanity -- or anyone else's.

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I wondered the same - transition by age 12? What parents in their right minds would mutilate their child at any age, much less by age 12? Even in this ruling, their are indications that society has lost its mind.

There should be no ability for any minor, up to age 18, to mutilate his body. The activists will say that by then it's too late since he will have already undergone puberty.

Even the ancients recognized that there are only two sexes. Yet our modern thinking has invented numerous others.

By and large, those who "transition" will render themselves sterile and thus eliminate the possibility of passing on their genes.
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TG wrote..
because they are profoundly unhappy with what happened at the time their first cell came into existence
Or just unhappy because they can't win and think claiming to be the other sex gives them a better chance at winning. In other words Losers (in both senses of the word)
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Every once in a while, some former WNBA player tweets something about how the media should promote her sport and turn it into the next big thing. It never dawns on her that the reason why no one cares... is because no one cares. It's not a grand conspiracy, it's not because the mainstream media isn't shoving women's sports in people's faces 24/7.
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What about testosterone screening, in general? Heavily muscled Sereena Williams likely has higher levels of T than the average soy boy. Overlapping bell curves, no?
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@Njca - Women at any sort of seriously-competitive level are often tested, and should be. Why? Because they cheat just as men do, and they same way (anabolic steroids) which are banned for that reason.

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...allow them to screw women out of a fair contest nor will we let them screw anyone of either sex out of a single nickel to assuage their insanity -- or anyone else's.


Let's hope these mental cases don't screw at all. (sarc)

Ultimately aren't the trans gender freakazoids doing what the vaxx is doing and helping to reduce the population of stupid potential breeders?

The more goofballs who are convinced to deny their sex, the less future goofballs who will require being shot by somebody.

Population reduction by any means necessary...

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"Wart-filled mess" is a very kind assessment of the endlessly metastasizing tumor that is Title IX, an execrable violation of common sense, and probably many existing laws, in the name of "being fair", which leads me to revise my time frame for when most Americans turned into whiny-baby overgrown toddlers who think nobody should be able to play with the good toys longer than they do; apparently it started well before I thought.


@Shadowmask - Every few months there's a self-righteous, delusional article somewhere about the reasons why women's sports never make the same revenues as men's, and the answer is always, surprise surprise, the evil marketing practices of the PATRIARCHY!!!!, which also convinces straight men that they are attracted to beautiful, shapely women instead of the shrill, pig-eyed hamplanets that nature meant for them to lust after. Heck, there was one just awhile ago making the same point about why men don't read "literary" works of fiction, which are mostly produced by female authors today. Guess what her conclusion was?

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Sort of off topic, but TG, do you remember Shirley Muldowney, the first lady of drag racing? Now there was a woman who could compete with men while being 100% woman. She didn't ask for special favors or whine about the patriarchy, she just went out and kicked butt. And she was popular and people paid to see her. I know because my dad was a huge fan and took me to watch her race. If a woman can compete, let her compete. But stacking the odds is not competition. And forcing people to do something does not make it popular.
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Excellent missive Karl! Perhaps you could send this to the current sitting SCOTUS in waiting who is not a biologist.

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A good start to solving these issues would be for the courts, the organizing bodies of sports, etc., to recognize that when a law or rule states "sex," that's exactly what it means.

"Sex" is a biological fact. "Gender" is a personal belief. A belief does not rise to the level of a fact. Laws forbid discrimination based on sex. Fine; apply it on that exact basis, and leave gender out of it.

If you're a guy who likes to wear women's clothing in public, that's fine. Enjoy embarrassing yourself. Just stay the hell away from me.

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Overlapping bell curves, no?
@Njca far less than most people realize. I do think most people understand that men are generally stronger but not to the degree they are. Here is a study on grip strength that found:
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90% of females produced less force than 95% of males ...
The results of female national elite athletes even indicate that the strength level attainable by extremely high training will rarely surpass the 50th percentile of untrained or not specifically trained men.
[url https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17186303....]

The best women in the world are generally equivalent to a good teenage boy. Here are some numbers I recently posted elsewhere on this issue.

I pulled the Womens Olympic champion times from the most recent Tokyo Olympics in the 100 M, 200 M, 400 M, and 800 M. Since I live in Ohio, I then pulled the most recent Boys Division 1 HS state championship results for those same events. The Womens Olympic champions would have placed 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 7th respectively. The best woman in the world could not even win a boys state title in the top Ohio high school division.
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@Moconserv stole my thunder.

They still can't define what a woman is! How can anyone decide who can compete in womens sports when it isn't clear who qualifies as a "woman"??

Un-friggin believable.
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If people pay $100 for a ticket to watch men throw a pigskin around and tackle one another, but will not fill a stadium at any price when women play their version of said game, whether it be football, baseball/softball, basketball or similar that's not "inequality" -- its consumer preference.


I bet they would pay $100 if those women actually looked like women, and played said game naked and well-oiled.

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@Blanca, they do it because they're told by the school counselors that if they don't play along the kid will commit suicide. Know a family going through this and that's exactly what they were told. After covid why would anyone believe anything they're told by the "experts", but amazingly they still do.
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There was a small study comparing men and women athletes. I think it was comparing men and women college track, specifically running times. Consistently across all events, they found that the best women's times were 89% of the best men's times. I can't find the study I'm thinking of, but here is a link to a page with running times for a few events. https://www.runtothefinish.com/gender-di....

Women are the following percentages as fast as men:
Marathon: 87%
half marathon: 91%
5K: 89%
mile: 88%

Of course this article points out that the reason women are slower than men is not only biology, but because men have more time to train. Because of course they do, having absolutely no life responsibilities at all.smiley

It's crap like this attitude that negates any sympathy for female athletes.
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A follow up question to What is a woman.

Are you a woman, If yes
How do you know?
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@Wishiunderstood

If the kid will commit suicide because he isn't permitted to transition, then he has serious mental issues which likely his parents facilitated, perhaps by permitting him to be in the care of crazy teachers. Get him out of the public schools.
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There is a basic law of nature. When something should not exist, it does not for long in nature's time. This seems to work by extension in society which has its own time, perhaps a little longer than what we want or can perceive. However, one hears the rumblings if sensitive to them.

Even people with a weakness or sensitivity also shun threats to them or intuitively adapt. And this refers to more than health, can also extend to all of society.

It amuses me that one thing is seen as a problem when it is actually the end result of something sick. Sick leads to more sickness in the above model which i propose above. Title this or that and college athletics is a sickness at their base. Sure lots of people like them and benefit from them, however we have made what was supposed to be serious academic and professional education into a catch-all for early adult experience. Maybe some of us do not like how this could not be avoided and the government money spent affects us without our consent. It shifts the priorities of the educational institution. One could go on.

Perhaps this is Nature's way and Society natural way of intuitively killing off something which should not exist starting first with something which needs to be subsidized to exist such as the many subsets of women's sports.

Oh i hear my son or daughter got a scholarship, blah, blah, blah, to blah, blah for this blah, blah athletic, whatever. Where did that come from? Humm ... Maintaining a system which sends way too many to said anyway so large in magnitude that it becomes a herculean task to track where the dollars flow, guaranteed in some form right out of the pockets of people like me. It has to come from somewhere.

So, i celebrate these offenses as a reward for having to tolerate the situation where even state university systems must be beholden to things having nothing to do with academics and professional advancement let alone the desirable places which many of us paid for straight up.

This is a fun little pay back, enjoy it.

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It's BINARY!

You're either FOR or AGAINST!
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My wife is 5 years younger then me and had been running almost everyday and competing in half marathons for about 10 years when I decided to take up running with her. I had not ran since high school 35 years previously, my choice of cardio was cycling. After one week of running I was already much faster than her and during our morning runs of 4-10 miles for training I was turning around at corners and running back towards her and circling about to we could stay together. At my first half marathon her time was 25 minutes slower than mine (and Id only trained for 13 weeks when she had been training for at least 10 years). Needless to say it ticked her off that running apparently came natural to me. Nope, its just the difference in male and female biology. Even her 5 year age advantage wasnt enough to overcome the biology difference.
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@Bluto

Hell, yes. Where do I get tickets to THAT game (grin).


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Karl knocking out sub 8 minute miles on a hilly course and what was probably a warm day. Impressive.
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TG-because they are profoundly unhappy with what happened at the time their first cell came into existence

F*ck them! They're unhappy? I'm unhappy having to put up with all of their bullsheet! I was never asked if I wanted to watch a pride parade. It's shoved in my face, constantly.

The genetic lottery determined that I wouldn't be a supermodel. Am I allowed to be pissed off? Yeah, sure. I can wear 5 inch heels, sport some really convincing falsies, wear some pancake makeup, but at the end of the day, I ain't Marilyn Monroe.

I'd be kidding no one if I decided to dress and act like Monroe. I suspect I'd be a laughing stock with people snickering behind my back that an almost 60 year old hag fancies herself to be a sex goddess. Yet that's what these trans "folk" are. The legitimate ones, the few who are completely miserable given the genetic hand they've been dealt, can pretend all they want. Wishin' don't make it so.

The slicksters, the ones who know they cannot compete with men and "adopt" the trans moniker, are cashing in on the idiocy of our present age. There's no shortage of stupid. If real women allow this to continue, they deserve everything they have coming to them.

And for the record, I cannot stand women's sports and would consider it an unfair punishment if I had to sit through any event that featured women athletes competing.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3wcxHio....


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