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2022-06-19 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Father's Day.

Allegedly, anyway.

You can find all manner of lament about how we have an epidemic of fatherless children and fatherless families.

You can also find plenty of people, although few will say it out loud, who are fully aware that their Dad was a jackass -- or worse.

Isn't it interesting how we create a problem through either intentional neglect or outright malice, then lament it?

As just one of many examples there's a hell of a lot of fentanyl that comes into this country and kills people.  Most of the precursors, if not the drug itself, comes straight out of China, and much is manufactured and trafficked through Mexico.  We could shut down both tomorrow -- but not only have we refused, we consider both nations "reliable trading partners" despite them shipping literal addictive poison by the ton into our nation.

Until the "Great Society" black families had a very high prevalence of 2-parent homes.  Then we handed out money and incentivized breaking up said families or not forming them in the first place -- and we got exactly what we bought.  Now we "lament" it, but never reverse course on what caused it.

We hear people complain about "toxic masculinity" yet it is precisely the fact that men and women think differently that such complaining is attempting to step on.  Thomas Edison was doggedly dedicated to finding an answer to why his electric lights burned out very rapidly.  He wanted to -- and did -- isolate himself finding the answer.  Had he not had said dogged...... dare I say.... toxic masculine doggedness you'd probably not have said lights today.

I could go on for pages and pages, but I won't.

You know I'm right.

You also know we, as a society, threw it out.

You know that was stupid.

And you know we're paying for it -- and will continue to -- because we will not demand that this nonsense not just stop, but be reversed.  Not individually because even though some do the benefit of individually, as a man or woman, making that decision is at best individual.  To fix the problem it has to happen at a societal level.

There are some smart women who have figured this out.  They have no interest in trying to make men into women -- not psychologically, intellectually or otherwise.  They recognize that men and women are different and they respect that difference.  They know why the man cave is there, and they leave it -- and the occupant -- alone.  They don't crawl up a man's ass 24x7x365 any more than a man tries to convince a woman shooting and gutting a deer or engaging in a fart contest is fun if she thinks its disgusting.  The problem is that society makes it all too easy to expect whatever you want from someone who isn't you, and if you don't get it then you can bash the other over the head and even, if you managed to connect yourselves sufficiently, get paid to do it because society says that's ok too and labels anything that's not you as "toxic."

You can't argue with the historical record.  You can burn the books and try to "cancel" it, but tell me why if banishing "toxic masculine" traits such as "sink or swim", "work or starve", getting rid of the entire premise of the "den", "library" or "smoking room" in a house (a place to go to withdraw from others) and refusing to "give money to people when they break up families" are all good things and lead to superior outcomes why are 70% of black children are born out of wedlock while in 1960, before all that, it was about 20%?

Facts just are, whether you like them or not.

Happy Father's (or what's left of it) Day.

I guess its only fitting, all things considered, that it has been subsumed by Juneteenth.

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The division of the family. One of the most successful acts of war ever perpetrated.

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The - I'm not sure what to call them - get a month, while fathers and mothers get one day. Welcome to Sodom & Gomorrah! At least they haven't canceled those days...yet.
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Happy dads day Karl. Since I have followed you forever I gather you have subscribed to marriage is a mistake you make once. Im on year 42 and had to break my dear (way smarter then me and im pretty smart in my own right) wife on hovering, a true female trait. The classic is waking up after a great dinner the night before and staring at the wreck of a kitchen. My wife can trash a kitchen making a cup of tea Once the fog in my head clears ill start to clean and the hoverer in chief rallies and we start bumping into each other which is when I stop and say i can do this or you can do this it isn't a team event like you girls going to the bathroom at a restaurant. Funny how no hovering when Im changing oil on the cars(I don't trust I am getting synthetic oil at jiffy lube)As the French say men shave and women menstruate and viva la difference! Except for armpits I guess
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Happy Father's day everyone. Everything you say is true, TG. We went from Father knows best to fathers are toxic. All part of the communist goal to break up families, I guess. I saw a video of a girl being harassed on the subway and the female news reader was crying, "Where are all the men?" Society has outlawed men pumpkin, we're toxic. You reap what you sow and you sowed "the future is feminine". Feminism went from "we want to do what men do" to "who needs men?" to "women are superior to men" to "men should be outlawed" to "men, save us!"
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I'm going to focus on the positive aspects of this weekend.

Happy Father's day to all the men out there who busted their butts to make it happen for their families. Your efforts and sacrifices are what enable a society to grow and improve in sustainably good ways. Thank you.


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I believe that women in general don't respect a man that they can boss around. But our society is raising a bunch of soy boys who are trained to always do what a female tells them to do (or else they will be labeled a toxic male). I believe it is an intended situation and designed specifically to destroy the traditional family. I also believe that the reason women seem to be attracted to "Bad Boys" is the fact that said Bad Boys are masculine and aren't afraid to express their desires, and they refuse to be "bossed around". A good marriage requires respect, compromise, teamwork and above all love. We have lost most of that over the last 50 years and it is one of the key foundations of the destruction of our country.

Happy fathers day to all the dads out there, and don't hesitate to "Be a Man"
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Women raise infants into children, men raise children into adults. The latter being especially difficult in today's feminized, illogical and emotionally-driven society. Any man who willingly marries a western woman today has to know the odds of divorce and the penalties therein, especially if kids come along. Google "indentured servitude". Everyone here has seen it. A hundred times.

Your local hood shows what illegitimacy produces at its worst. At least Dems get eternal votes for dependency. Going on four generations now. Horrifically amazing when you think really about it.

There are so few parents today who are actually invested in raising their kids (that's what skoolz and daycares are for), that I would vote to eliminate Mother's and Father's Day until we return to a time when most parents love their kids more than themselves. And true love is tough, and doing the right thing, not the fun or easy alternative.

To you few real fathers out there, i.e. the ones strong enough to use the word "no" with their kids and wives (if present).....happy Father's Day.

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Im not sure this will translate well since you had to been there to fully appreciate the context. My fiance at the time and I were visiting my parents on a farm in rural Wisconsin. Anyway we were walking at dusk holding hands and all the bullshit little kisses you do wooing in your twenties and my fiance being a strong feminist (I am woman here me roar kinda bullshit) espousing her empowerment when my Dad roared out of the trees to frighten us and my strong feminist fiance jumped an my back and shrieked All in for toxic masculinity at that moment in time
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Ah, the study. Call it what you will, but Mrs. Frat hates it because it represents everything man. clutter and all. Mine almost quite literally looks like a cave, and while seemingly disorganized to everyone else, *I* know where everything is (usually) and can tell immediately when someone else has been there and messed with something. Yes, it is my escape.

Happy Father's Day to all of you worthy of the title. Men and women are different, and those differences are what make it all work most times. The most obvious example that strikes me right now is that most mothers prefer to be pampered and surrounded by their kids on Mother's Day. Most dads on Father's Day would prefer everyone left us the hell alone for the peace and quiet.

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I have lost 110 lbs from Karls advice on carbs. That being said my daughter is cooking biscuits n gravy for me this morning. The best recipe ever by the best cook ever. Diet be dammed.

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Eoinw wrote..
The - I'm not sure what to call them - get a month, while fathers and mothers get one day. Welcome to Sodom & Gomorrah! At least they haven't canceled those days...yet.


I don't know, I've already seen two media outlets refer to this weekend as "Juneteenth Weekend" rather than Fathers Day Weekend. smiley

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Now for the rest of the story...Father's Day!


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My comment is, I'd like to wish a miserable, unhappy fathers day to one of the worst excuses of a father and assclown, who just happens to be the fake president. Ole Pedo Joe raised a scumbag POS crackhead moron son, and also now it's coming out that he was "taking showers" with his young daughter who described it her diary, and that it screwed her up for life. God only knows what other sick things he's done. FJB, and learn how to ride a bike you fucking idiot.

One of the better clips. Clunk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jMeBSfX....

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Excellent, Karl. Cant wait for tomorrows dissertation.

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Tickerguy, you gave a false statistic. 70% of black babies are not born out of wedlock as perhaps half are never born at all (aborted). Promiscuity, abortions and unwed motherhood are all just symptoms of the degeneracy that society has become. Blacks are just a generation ahead of the rest of society and I cant see how the rot ends for the general population. Perhaps in 100 years (assuming the CCP hasnt conquered the world) a new moral society will arise due to the fecundity of Amish, polygamist mormons, ultra Orthodox Jews, islamists and fundamental Christians swamping the purple hairs (who might average half a kid per woman). Of course will these diverse groups get along?
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I thank God everyday that my husband and I are so different. When we moved to a house in 2020, the first room that was fully renovated was his man-cave at my insistence. I knew how much he needed that space! I am good at the big picture. He is awesome at the finer details of everything. I can see the forest. He sees the trees.

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The more society demands masculinity from women, the more the polarity and attraction in their relationships with men is neutralized, their formerly masculine men are feminized and their children grow up in dysfunctional families with unhealthy role models. Unchecked, parents eventually teach their boys to cut their dicks off, become women and depend on the government. Men must take ownership of their relationships and maintain their masculine core to protect the natural polarity that strong relationships and healthy families require in order to thrive.
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Men in general will do no such thing. There are damn few actual MEN left in this nation -- and perhaps not in many others either.

Witness how many "men" bray at Trump as "savior."

This is a "man" who claimed the ability to turn a billion people into ash at the push of a button but when he asserted he was robbed from a rightful second term he refused to get out in front and put his freedom and likely his life on the line seizing whatever was required to prove it and then so-proving it in public.

If he truly believed that he had an obligation, as a man, to either do so OR SHUT THE FUCK UP AND WALK AWAY, having weighted the cost not to him but to society in general and finding that the costs were greater than the benefits.

If he didn't truly believe it then he should have been slaughtered, in public, where he stood because again, as a man, he was ACTIVELY trying to get OTHER PEOPLE KILLED for a knowingly false claim purely for the feelz and to gin up other people and play on their mental instability.

No MAN would do what he did.

I remind you that Nixon knew DAMN WELL he was robbed immediately after his first run. He decided to stand down even though he might have been able to raise the people to go prove it -- but he decided that the costs were greater than the benefits irrespective of the outcome.

That's what a MAN does.

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Happy Fathers Day, Men!
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@Wifi TY for the Paul Harvey link. Had never heard the origin of Fathers Day
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Men need Women and Women need Men. That is just how it is, as surely as night follows day.

The Sociopaths will say and do anything to avoid admitting that their policies (actually hatred) have been, and continue to destroy the country. The Black population in this country has been decimated with malice disguised as kindness.

I have heard that the majority of the young men who have performed the mass shootings either have no relationship with their father or are estranged from their father. We hear about the mass shootings at school like the one in Texas but, that many people are shot every two weeks in Chicago alone. Chicago of course being a Sociopath stronghold.

Happy Father's Day,

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When I moved to Texas 10 years ago I had never heard of Juneteenth. It was a state holiday, I read about it, thought ok that makes sense as an artifact of regional history and could understand it's relevance to people in the state. Now it's a federal, national, holiday. Chosen, in my opinion, to be national mainly because it falls a few weeks before July 4th and serves as a sort of counter balance and reimagining to the 4th, in it's proponents minds. Separate holidays, separate laws, separate police forces, this is the path to national breakup and civil war.

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