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As a growing Christian myself I am also trying to think through some of those heavier issues. In the Old Testament, God directly orders a LOT of smiting - like entire peoples wiped out, livestock, scorched earth kinda stuff...But as mentioned, in the New Testament, there's a lot more love and kindness. I'm still trying to figure out which God wants us doing these days...
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From the morals and ethics standpoint; it and I am getting closer to THE point.

What point is that?

The point where I have to compromise MY morals & ethics by asking an innocent party to compromise their morals & ethics to keep my job due to the "vaxx" mandates, by sliding 100 dollar bills at them until they agree to fill out a Covid vaxx card so that I can keep my part-time job (mil), which is tied to my full-time job (mil/civ). As I WILL NOT take the injection.

There is still time, and court injunctions / cases are accelerating, but that time is closer than it was a year ago.

I DO worry somewhat, but overall, I know I will survive this.
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@starrynight

There are so many people that give Christians a bad name, I feel like your scenario of how the early church had impact is if we start calling ourselves something different than Christian at this point.
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Starrynight wrote..
Is there anyone today writing similar visionary but also practical and realistic plans to push back?

@Starrynight -- The real "fighting back" is on the spiritual plane, which is why most plans in the temporal ring hollow: we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers and but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The "dirty secret" is that we've already won, through Jesus; that is why the enemy wants you to quit/forfeit, or divert your energy to something else. (He wants to deprive the Kingdom of God of "Bonus Points" that you can get, for the Glory of God.)
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My personal preparation has been going on for several years but it is dependent simply on the well known, but generally unaccepted, fact that man can survive and, in fact, be healthy on very little food.

My eating time window is restricted, from 1pm to 7 pm. This intermittent fasting has minimized my food consumption. Besides drinking a lot of water, here is everything else I eat and drink.

Till 1pm: Two cups of tea.

1 pm: 2 eggs and a small cup of nuts: Peanuts, almonds, pecans, cashews and walnuts, fried in coconut oil or Ghee (from butter), mixed with onions, tomatoes, ginger and spices like turmeric, peppers etc.

7 pm: Dinner is one of the following, but not both:

One small apple and two large spoons of peanut butter

or

Cooked vegetables and a small dish of lentils, followed by a small serving of berries: strawberries, blue berries etc.

I take some tablets: Aspirin 81 mg, multi-vitamins, vitamin C and one fish oil capsule.

No bread. No processed food, other than butter from milk or peanut butter. No medications, other than Aspirin 81 mg. My recently done CBC blood work showed perfect readings, done through https://www.lifeextension.com/ .

I have been on the above diet for several years. My weight is the same as it was half a century back. I walk several miles a day and never felt healthier or stronger though I dont lift weights; I should start soon.

During my early years in India, I have seen very strong professional tree cutters eating only flour bread and green peppers.

As far as I am concerned, 90% of the processed food products on the shelves in the supermarkets are not only useless food but actually harmful.

I know nature does sometimes starve mankind through famines but can the tyrants actually starve us, other than by shutting down or burning all the farms, as they are doing to the processed food plants?

Now that we all know that the tyrants are at war with us, why do we not even acknowledge their war and act accordingly?

Why are we all still so nice to them?
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I've gone about this mainly with the consideration of having roughly a month worth of supplies on hand should things get a bit dicey. I did pick up some of those safe drinking straws as there are natural freshwater sources near enough where they could come in handy if water supplies ran low.

Not freezing to death if things fail in winter is the biggest concern. The house is old, though it no longer has any functional fireplace. The best bet I think would be to make use of a room in the basement as living quarters with a metal fire pit for heat. The floor and walls are all fairly thick fieldstone, there are 2 sources of ventilation to the outside, and a fairly copious amount of things to burn should it come to it.

Aside from that, it's been mainly staying close with the people at church as that's the network of people that has gotten through 2 years of idiocy and is the best bet for getting through what's to come. I wouldn't say we're depressed or demoralized, but there is a sense that this summer should be enjoyed as it may be the last one we can enjoy for a few years.
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Yep @Greenacr.

People got VERY rich doing that during the Depression, but you had to have CASH. There were quite a few of them too. It took 10+ years to get rich this way, but it's time-honored.

Two MAJOR "gets" I had during running MCSNet both came out of distress situations (of someone else) where I had cash. Not a huge amount of cash, but enough cash. Discounts off what everyone else paid for similar things when that sort of situation arises are typically 80% or better.

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@Bruceallen123 - "Good luck, folks. You know that old saying: you ain't seen NOTHING yet. Sadly, this appears to be more true now than at any other point in our history..."

I think you're right. As the most developed civilization in the history of the world, we have a long way to fall. It probably won't all happen over night. Instead, systems will fray and bend before they break. Not an overnight total collapse of the power grid, for example, but higher prices, brownouts, rolling blackouts, spotty service, scheduled outages, etc.

Dmitry Orlov wrote about this in a book 15 or so years ago about the collapse of America. He compared the decline of the USA to the USSR. He said that since Russians were not used to such an extravagant lifestyle, and they already were used to living with shortages and other problems, they didn't have so far to fall. But Americans and Europeans living high-income lifestyles in highly complex systems have a lot more to suffer as their standard of living declines.
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@Gingersmom2009 and so many others that question God's perfect plan -- yes God has a plan and He is merciful. Please take the time to read through this https://onepassionministries.org/2017-11.... , but this is the really simple answer from the link:

"As a quick footnote, those who have the Law do have a stricter accountability to God, because they have a greater light. Those without the Law, that only have the Law written upon their heart, have a lesser accountability, but nevertheless, it is an accountability. The Bible is clear that it would be better to have never heard the truth than to hear the truth and reject it."

As it's been for thousands of years, ignorance of the law is no excuse. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorant....

So death is the penalty for sin; however, by God's grace and mercy a way for eternal salvation has always been provided.

It's even biblical that many reject God's authority and His gift of salvation even upon hearing of it. So sad to say, but it's been proven true over time.

This may not be "the end" of all time, but everyone needs to be prepared for their individual demise on earth. And ready or not, death will come.
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Another point Dmitry made was that no one in the USSR owned their residence, so when the government collapsed, no one was evicted.

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@Packetcap - the reason I referenced MLK Jr. was not to defend him or his agenda, and certainly not the outcome that you described, but to point to the effectiveness of his tactics and the usefulness of a clear strategy and goals. He looked for his adversaries' weak points and exploited them.

What are the weak points of the woke movement today, or the totalitarian movement within the government and big business? How could we exploit them? I am not so clever as to be able to identify their weaknesses and formulate effective strategies and tactics against them. But do we just sit around and wait for woke to maybe eventually burn itself out, or is there something we can do now to fight against it? I am not convinced that bullets or conventional party politics are the ways to fight woke. Some new, creative way may exist that would be more effective.

And I repeat my question from before: Ishmael and all of us complain about the chaos, lies, exploitation, and destruction going on around us and that we are targets in a de facto civil war. What is our goal?

Are we just going to be reactive to the efforts by the revolutionaries to tear down civilization? Or do we have a positive agenda that we can clearly and simply articulate, and a strategy that is realistic to achieve those goals?

My point is to try to learn from history and see how others have fought for their causes in various times and places. I feel pretty powerless against the forces arrayed against us. I am not sure what to do as an individual about the problems Ishmael talks about.

I have heard some people say that the problems in the world today are so bad (and trending worse) that no natural or human solution is really possible. In other words, divine intervention, a supernatural solution, is needed. We are not just struggling against a foe in terms of economics and politics and culture and law. It is also a spiritual combat. That doesn't mean to sit back and not do what you can in the natural order. But it's to recognize the situation as it really is and the limits to our ability to change things by our own human willpower and strength alone.
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To give a context for that ONE person needs to survive one year look back at what the NWMP required for any one person entering the Klondike baci in 1900 or so.

The Canadian government determined each person going to Dawson fromSkagwayorDyeaneeded three pounds of food per day for a whole year. Food alone would weigh in at a minimum of 1,095 pounds (~497 kg) or just over half a ton.

That was before today's dehydrated foods but to have really enough food for one person let alone 4 or 5 takes a comittment of $$$ and space. I have a closet with what I believe will be 3,000 calories for two people for two months. And no, it's not beans and rice. It takes a lot of space.

Have a former boss who has over 1 million rounds of ammunition of various calibers. It fills a bedroom of his house! Dosen't have a fire extinguishers in the house. He is betting he can defend his bricks and sticks McMansion by himself.

I believe in worrying about only what I can control. I have done and do little things to make me and wife more comfortable, but that's about it. At 65, my options and time are limited. I toast each night with wine and work at not letting the old man in.

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@Starrynight

Yes - the fight is more than flesh and blood: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

On a personal level, I know what I need to do on the spiritual front, but on the whole nothing short of a world-wide "revival" and return to a Judeo-Christian value system can stop this train. That ain't happening. Could it happen? Sure. And if it does happen given how far off the original path we have moved, it will be a miraculous, undeniable, display of the grace and mercy of the Most Holy Trinity.

Starrynight wrote..

But it's to recognize the situation as it really is and the limits to our ability to change things by our own human willpower and strength alone.


Exactly. Not our willpower or strength.

As an American, I would be good with a cleansing of the corruption in DC and federal politics in general, and a wholesale return to the rule of law. Specifically, just abiding by the Constitution and the framework of our Federal Republic. Given the amount and extent of the corruption and rot in our current political system, it may be that the likelihood of that ship being corrected is about as low as a world-wide "revival". That is, both would require the miraculous to occur. And, one could make a strong argument that without the first miracle occurring, the second, should it occur, is untenable:

Quote:

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.


Given prayer which is what it would take for either of those miracles to occur is not a plan, we do what we can to survive and thrive in the inevitable decline of our societies, cultures, and modern, comfortable lifestyles.

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@Pharmadude

Not questioning God's perfect plan. I question those who, in order to make everything fit into the scripture shoe box, throw down the "no one comes to the Father except through me" gauntlet. Same people frequently believe in flat earth. 🙄
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Gingersmom2009 "I question those who, in order to make everything fit into the scripture shoe box, throw down the "no one comes to the Father except through me" gauntlet."

Not only trying to define the Infinite God into a finite, imperfect human body, but also claiming a self-appointed exclusive agency for world-wide, in future maybe inter-planetary and then inter-galactic, distribution of a personal God.

And then fighting and even destroying others who, though also believers in a personal God, but of a different name or form.

What a scam!

There is only One God, and Sages call Him by different names!

But then, there are Sages and there as "sages".

We do have a choice, to chose to listen to the Sages who make sense!

However, this topic quickly goes in something that can no longer be discussed because feelings get hurt, emotions flare up, and the logical brains are shut down!

Both, Religion and Politics, mutually dependent, are still my favorite topics, hoping that it is possible to resolve conflicts by discussion.

But sometimes maybe not. However, all conflicts will become irrelevant after a complete destruction by a world war that FJB is leading us into.

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@Gingersmom2009
"Although much more true a couple of centuries ago, there premise still holds water . . . what about those people, living primitively in remote areas, who literally have never heard of Jesus? Are they just doomed? Does our God, in his infinite grace and wisdom, have no plan for this part of his creation?"

Since you asked...this is actually a very common question and I'm assuming you are asking sincerely so I will answer. One is only responsible for what HAS been revealed to them. Romans 1:20 explains it...no one regardless of when they were born would be able to NOT notice the design in nature even when Jesus was thousands of years in the future. So everyone ever born is "without excuse" if they fail to notice and investigate what HAS been revealed to them (stars, flowers, plants, growth...all has design.) One of God's attributes is "just" so He judges with perfection & He places us in history as He chooses. Are they doomed? Meh...between them and God. God is never fooled.

Ishmael, great insights and thank you community for your wise and thoughtful input. All you can do to prepare is what you can do. Period. Plenty of people have lived during super challenging times and lived purposefully within a storm of chaos. Once you cover the basics (many listed among these comments and other TG posts),calm down & live your life! The resistance to the vax mandates has trained you well for the next phase.
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@starrynight
I disagree with your suggestions of trying "love" or a meek modern Christian approach.
I believe that tptb have made Christians mushy, weak OR fatalistic. We are the only ones being held to standards while our enemies get away with every dirty trick. We are losing ground like crazy, have you seen how many "churches" are pro lgbt/miscegenation/trannies?
Regarding fatalism, so many Christians say it's no longer in their hands and step away from the fight.

Having your soul in the right place is always a good idea. However, don't rule out violence because that is naive.

You can not be peaceful if you are NOT capable of great violence. If you are not capable of great violence, then you are simple meek.

I personally like the idea of mass non compliance, but we've seen since Lockdowns that people can't not wear a mask and get jabbed, let alone conspire to take out an energy transformer.

The people enabling tyranny have names and addresses. Politicians freak out when they have peaceful protests at their house. Violence would have solved a LOT. Sure, the politicians can have a security detail, but you can make your way down the list to local and business representatives.

I pray that we can emerge from this without a shtf scenario. I really want to live in a high trust, meritocracy society. Maybe some hard times will do people good.
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In addition to my above comment -
MLK was by all means an abusive womaniser. He was a scripted patsy driven by God knowns who. CIA? He was not an "organic" revolutionary, in the same way that the counter culture of the 60s was CIA driven to break up the hardy man and nuclear family.

MLK was probably step one in the plan to divide the USA by race. There's no better way to divide people.

As for Ghandi? Haven't read into him, but it's plausible someone pushed him to fuck with the British.
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MLK also threatened direct destruction of Washington DC and, indirectly, the slaughter of every politician in it.

Nobody likes to discuss that, but he did.

It's how he won.

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@tickerguy my respect for MLK just moved off E with that tidbit.
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He made clear his "million man march" could be a march, or it could be a sacking of DC.

There are very few people who will honestly discuss that fact.

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Blacks (threaten to) riot and politicians instantly cave. There's a lesson here...
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Skin color doesn't matter. That when he pointed this out it was believed -- that they would show, and they would do it -- is what matters.

There's a lesson in there, but nobody wants to learn it.

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Blacks do use this technique often. While skin color doesn't matter, everyone knows that when blacks say "we're burning this mother fucker down", they will. Hell, they do it to their own neighborhoods.

Whites don't do this. When whites say, "you won't like the consequences!" No one cares because SO FAR, there have been none.
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Has nothing to do with skin color.

It has a lot to do with lack of balls.

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