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Starrynight
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Let me now write from a Christian perspective. This may sound like pie in the sky dreaming, but let me think out loud here.

What strategy or tactics can we use in a counter-revolution against all the things Ishamel was writing about -- our own fears and anxieties, and the overwhelming forces of revolution (cultural, social, legal, economic, political, etc.) that we face?

How about the good example of LOVE?

Think about it. How was our Christian civilization founded? The pagan world that St. Paul and the other apostles went out into to preach the Gospel was perhaps not too unlike our own today. The emperors and officials were corrupt, they clipped the money, oligarchs were powerful, people were idolators, abortion and infanticide were common, even gay sex was pretty common. How did the early Christians transform the world, how did they "fight" against this sickening, sinful, violent system? Did they openly revolt and kill in the name of Christ?

No, they changed the world by the example of LOVE. That is what attracted converts. Pagans saw the small fledgling communities Paul was writing to, and they were attracted by what they saw: people living according to the Truth, families grounded in fidelity and chastity, values of honesty and hard work, love of God and neighbor, willingness to die for the Faith. Simply living the faith was a revolutionary act.

What if that was our counter-revolutionary strategy, our witness to today's world gone crazy with relativism, atheism, hatred, anger, fraud, exploitation, injustice: the example of LOVE.

I'm not saying to be passive and take no action. I am just trying to learn from the past. How was the dominant pagan world conquered by Christianity, despite vigorous persecution by the state? By individual Christians simply living their faith, a witness to the world of a true alternative.

Now again, this might get me ban-hammered, but how can a faithful Christian be such an example in our time? He has to grow in virtue and love of God -- by being a good man and living a good life for all to see. He will immediately be distinguishable from the corrupt, evil, dark society he lives in if he dresses modestly, helps others, is patient, speaks uprightly, keeps his word, and does not swear, backbite and badmouth others.

That is hard work, to grow in virtue. But it is what Christians are called to do, and that may be the force that can change the world. It may take time, you may not see immediate results, you may be targeted precisely because you are faithful. But again, that is what Christians are called to do.

My reading of history may be wrong, but I would say, that is how Christianity conquered the world the first time. If you complain that we are now living in a dark, evil, pagan, unjust society, the Christian example of LOVE may be the real solution.
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In your "survival" planning ask yourself, "Will i like this?" If you have the balls to do so which i doubt. It is one of the reasons why i advise people to eat their preparedness food regularly and rotate stock, live like one is in the situation including with family for a long period, do it like it is real. Now ask if one could love it.

Sounds a lot different than when the shit hit the fan one is going to be more miserable just to survive to be more miserable.


I used to watch the prepper shows on TV and ask myself what are these people prepping for? Not the somewhat normal folks (I consider myself somewhat normal, somewhat) who are storing extra food, water , medicine but the people spending unGodly sums of money to survive for years after societal extinction. Why would anyone want to live in a world desolate of both people and any type of comfort? I don't.

I and most of us ticker folks have lived in the sweetest spot known to man. We grew up in relative peace with comfort and abundant food. We have clean water to drink. Our waste is transported out of our homes with the push of a handle. We have antibiotics to cure what would have killed us a hundred or so years ago. Do any of us really think that we are all of a sudden going to turn into pioneer types who can live off the land? Really?

I would like to think that I could do that but I know that I am kidding myself. I also know, as Whitehat states, that I don't want to. What would be the end game for me? Survival to be miserable? No thank you. I am not going to give up and not prepare for short term disruptions. I am ready for those (I hope.) Long term? I'm in my mid-50's. I am not all of a sudden going to become Daniel Boone. Nor do I want to. Maybe it is just me but surviving just to survive is not appealing.

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@ starrynight, tickerguy
"Now, what kind of acts of defiance would be effective and meaningful in our context?"

As our host suggests, 1% non-compliance.
Not wearing mask.
Not supporting woke businesses.
Go Galt, reduce participation (his income level & business ideas, for example).
Not going quietly into the boxcar. Be prepared for your kristallnacht (FEMA camp).
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Survival to be miserable? No thank you.

I just turned 70 so don't have to worry about the LONG term survival. But I don't want to starve to death with money in the bank that could have bought me enough canned food to at least see what comes out the other side of this mess and see how many of the libtards I can take with me. Hoping that there is at least a tiny chance that some new social order appears that we can all tolerate and try to find our place in it.
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My prepping is living modestly with an occasional treat to break any monotonous mindset. Sure, I have months of things to eat that I routinely eat.
Should things go south, be sure to have sufficient supplies of hood rat repellent with a delivery system that is not known to the national constabulary. Favorite repellents come in 5.56, 308, .357 9&10mm varieties. Be sure to have one or more capable of stopping 99% of NBA & NFL draft choices.
The best strategy of dealing with hood rats is avoidance. Practice situational awareness so as to avoid mostly peaceful protests that are likely to break out on a street with the name like The Most Exalted Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd., Obscure Negro Street, or Historically Insignificant Token Black Ave. Always watch your 6.
The best advice I received was: hope is not a plan.
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@starynight

The thing Gandhi, MLK, ect had going for them was they mobilized huge numbers of people.

It was the people who changed the laws, not the men who led them.

Why do people forget this aspect of these men's successes?

Karl had been writing about ways we can change the system, but WE have to actually make the changes. His ideas are empty without people who act.

Act!

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Well said, Starrynight.

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The only advice I have to handle disaster is get the hell out of the city and I'm stll there. I need to buy a basic generator, in case the electric blacks out so I don't lose my meat. Keep the tanks full. If the grid fails, we can probably kiss our city asses good bye. I'm going to try to keep a cash hoard. If I can escape, some farmer might let me park on his property and live in a tent or in my car, if I can grease his hand. I try to keep 8 cases of 40 bottle packs of 1/2 litre water. If the NAZI's take over, I'm probably dead and have nothing to lose.

We are in a paradox when it comes to having cash. Inflation can eat it up, but I have a good theory that no matter what your net worth, if you have cash you are never broke. Silver coins in case. Being this is a credit based economy, the dollar only goes to zero, if everyone defaults, sans a collapse in asset values.

Cash, gas, water and food is about the limit of good planning. Nothing happens, nothing lost. NAZI's come, someone dies. Lights go out, goodbye.


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Starrynight
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@Boredfree - I agree with you 100%, that the numbers were important. We remember the "great men", but it was the brave regular guys who put their bodies on the line and took big risks.

At the same time, it also was not just numbers. It was very clever, calculated tactics, well-articulated goals, and a winning strategy that also made the difference.

You can have a big mass of people, but if they are not acting in a coordinated and purposeful way, they may not be effective. Good leadership helps make this happen.

If you have a large group of disaffected people, they may not be effective unless a leader articulates their grievances and goals in a way they can rally to.
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Thanks Karl, for everything you do here and for your brilliant insight. Glad to have found this board and know that I'm not alone in feeling like things are spiralling out of control and heading for a showdown. Even from a Canadian's perspective, I too have been getting the general sense and opinion that things are NOT looking good on a global scale. The question is how will people respond to the dark times which are now upon us?

I've witnessed the madness over the past two years of how normal sane, rational, people became deranged lunatics over mask and vaccine mandates, seen families torn apart, marriages destroyed, kids as young as 12yrs old on all sorts of psychiatric medication, seen how violence, crime, and drug use spiral out out-of-control in all our major cities, watched our coward of a prime minister run and hide and cower in fear over the most trivial things while leading a completely dysfunctional Parliament full of clowns and imbeciles, and observed how our very rights and freedoms are being stripped away one one by one, etc, etc, etc.

Oh, and just today I read in the Toronto Star that Enbridge Gas plans to raise natural gas rates by as much as 23% this fall...

Yeah.

Good luck, folks. You know that old saying: you ain't seen NOTHING yet. Sadly, this appears to be more true now than at any other point in our history...

Again, I wish to thank our host for this forum and his continued thoughtful opinions. I thought I was the one going 'crazy' until I met so many other like-minded folks who were asking some serious questions. Glad to be a part of this group.

Take care, everyone. All the best of luck for what's coming down the pike.
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@Starrynight Thanks for your post. In "The Presence of the Kingdom", Jacques Ellul (20th century Christian philosopher) said the only truly revolutionary act is to be a Christian.
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If any of y'all "pissed off any of your colleagues" or "fired them" ... or told them "get that fucking vax" .... you may wish to seek forgiveness. The sooner, the better. If you're a management asshole ... enjoy those sleepless nights ... with those employees you fired or "fucked into vaxing" ... you may wish to "beg forgiveness". Time's a coming!

When country's collapse, "shit get's real". Anyone who has a "bone to pick with you" may extract retribution in large measures. (I'm not talking about killing your dog). I'm OK with you "offing yourself" ... as it's the appropriate ending for a coward. (The Soviet Union cleansed itself of 10 million after collapse - folks "settling scores"). I'm not advocating violence. I'm advocating "fixing your fuck ups". Don't make your kids pay for your sins ... only an asshole does that. Square up with everybody. (The people I know who "fucked up" and coerced people into "jabbing" should probably just get a length of rope, they're too pussyfied to admit they fucked up!)
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Whitehat: "Anglo society is based upon sadism"

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?
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@Starrynight -
Great posts, and great questions. Im only going to deal with the but what do we do about it question here. As has already been suggested, noncompliance. But I think that this can be as much active as passive. As has been mentioned in another thread, the noncompliance can include things like failing to adequately maintain, or participate in maintaining supplies, supply chains, or infrastructure for those who wish us harm. The general idea of a national strike, but it doesnt have to be national. So many things can fail in complex systems, and if the knowledgeable people are not working hard to repair, things can go sideways fast.
Did you know that if a water (or chlorine) pump in a water supply system is operated with the inlet valve closed for even moments, it will destroy itself? A careless operator can do an awful lot of damage in a moment of attentiveness. Many of this sort of position are lifetime union positions, too, so the careless operators generally just stick around because it is not possible to get rid of them. Have you looked at the leadtimes on ordering replacement parts for things like the pumps in water treatment plants?
Sewage plants are constantly struggling to manage the volumes of non biodegradable materials in the system. Recall that during early covid the rapid rise in use of cotton wipes was a significant issue. I am aware that there are many other materials which often wind up flushed that are also problematic, not the least being condoms and other rubber and plastic film materials. The photos of waste streams often show materials that I wouldnt think can even flush. Plastic (Saran) wrap for example causes lots of problems, as it blocks or binds all kinds of industrial equipment. Also, occasionally the system will become polluted with a very strong antibacterial compound, which causes mass die off of the bugs that do all the work in a sewage plant. This is very problematic, because the unbelievably large processing tanks of sewage suddenly become massively large storage tanks of shit.
Power is a pretty specialized field, how many people would need to call in sick on the same day for repairs not to be kept up? Each repair that isnt complete in a timely fashion adds stress to an already tight system, running a very real risk of driving a cascading failure that would take entire zones of the grid down. With the current regime of test every one and take 5 days off of you dont feel well, does my being sick with a positive freebie spit test drive a similar cascade in other workers who perhaps also discover that their tests return positive so they are forced to spend a few extra days relaxing at home, or tidying up loose ends in their preparations?
If we use our imagination, Im sure most of us can find a duty in our lives that we are unable to -slow walk- or be less than fully attentive to for fear that it will spiral into a problem much more significant than would be easily dealt with?
And also, the Chinese are again acting as our guinea pigs. They are demonstrating the importance of pulling the majority of your liquid assets out of the system before those who are in the system feel they need to hang onto them for stability. The same is likely advisable for most any North American at this point. Unfortunately, it becomes one of those self-sustaining phenomenon where once the run has started its very difficult to stop, but I know I would certainly like to be in the first round of people who get my money rather than waiting for it to hit the news and Joe Q Public suddenly become perturbed enough to start lining up and creating any real instability at a given bank. I havent looked in a few years, but there used to be published bank financial information that would help determine which of the banks that you have money in might be the most important ones for you to rush over to to secure your withdrawal early.

So to sum it up, if conscientious people merely stopped rectifying the ills caused by careless folks, we would have only day(s?) before others felt the heat.
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@Mannfm11 -
I split my time between big smoke, and wide open space. Not a farmer, so I cant speak for them, but in your described situation, Im not likely to care how much paper you brought with you. You would be better served to start the discussion by telling me what skills, knowledge, and equipment you are bringing to the table.
Can you make the fire, and keep it smokeless? Cook the beans on it? Butcher meat if its early enough that there might still be some, or even hunt? Split wood, hoe garden, carry water? Maintain a perimeter? Fix the truck/tractor/quad/pump? Fill in your own blanks here, because I can do all these things and more, but you are probably better at something, or more knowledgeable about something important than I am, and your highest value will be in the thing I didnt foresee a need for, but you can meet.
These people will have a chance to find communities that they might join. Their worth will be as people, not in dollars. If you absolutely need to bug out of the city, and things are bad enough that Id entertain sharing my space (and preps) with a stranger, I would expect that the handful, or suitcase full of cash will either be laughed away at the business end of a pointy stick, or taken away in the same fashion.
God forbid it comes to this, but let us all be prepared if it does.
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Kwwilson: "which of the banks that you have money in might be the most important ones for you to rush over to to secure your withdrawal early."

Since most banks are paying a WHOPPING 0.6% interest, WHY are you keeping all your money in banks -- and do you REALLY think you can drive there faster than THEY can lock the doors and pull down the shades?!

I recommend everyone have a LARGE chunk-o'-change IN the safe at home! (Or buried or wherever you find to be safe. Like several thousand bucks change...

I often twit the bitcoin folks with: if we get hit by an EMP (enemy) or CME (Sun), and you get hungry, are you going to go down the store, hold up your DEAD phone, and tell the proprietor "if you COULD see my screen, this is my bitcoin total; sell me meat!" If you're lucky he'll just throw you out!

Yeah, fiat sucks. But when your credit card isn't useable cause the store's reader is dead... in all likelihood, the stores will STILL accept fiat for a while. HAVE fiat stashed, just like you have water and food and ammo!

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@KwwWilson: I can shoot and if they don't want my cash, I have nothing to lose. What I know how to do and what I like to do are 2 different things. Plumbing? I hate it, but I can. Electric, basic. Mechanical? My questions are generally, who the hell designed this crap? If it gets down to people not wanting cash, then hiding in the woods is likely the solution, whether I like it or not. I have been handling guns since was 8. My AR is chambered in 6.5 Grendal and I have enough ammo to die a few times. I fooled with cattle when young and know how to make things grow, though they don't do too well on my shaded deck.

I think what Ishmael is saying is you better figure something out, because shit is likely not going to be how we planned. Something is sure to go haywire. Just what.

I think it was Patrick Byrne who said, in case of revolt or other calamity, 90% die. That is pretty screwed up odds.

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I find my faith is what keeps me sane in the midst of the insanity.
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Stoic wrote..
I am not going to give up and not prepare for short term disruptions. I am ready for those (I hope.) Long term? I'm in my mid-50's. I am not all of a sudden going to become Daniel Boone. Nor do I want to. Maybe it is just me but surviving just to survive is not appealing


You can say I've been a prepper all my life with out trying. I'll buy enough things when on sale to make it to the next sale. I'm sure I have enough bar soap to last me the rest of my life.

Like Stoic said if things go that far south I'm to old to be Mad Max. 30 years ago well maybe.

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It ain't gonna get THAT bad.

Late 70s? Yes.

Ps: That lasted about 4ish years. This may too.

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@Gingersmom2009

For what it is worth a pastor of a group in S. California had a training facility in Brazil to train locals to become pastors. In the middle of a training session two women came in and asked for him by name. They were from a remote tribe and it took them seven days on the river (Amazon plus tributaries) to reach him.They said the tribal chief told them that Jesus appeared to him and said go get this person and bring him to the tribe to tell them about Jesus. The only way you can get into this remote area is if the tribe invites you in otherwise it is off-limits. We had another member of our little congregation that was invited by a group in Africa to come talk about Jesus and then train local leaders.

As far as I can see God makes arrangements to deal with these situations. After all the word does say those that seek me will find me.
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I prefer to focus on being ready for the next world, which I will be living in a lot longer than I'll be living in this one.

Keep your treasures in heaven. Worldly assets can and do lose all their value. When the world as you know it ends, most will. In the world that replaces it, the ones that don't will just make you a target.

I'm one of the lucky ones. I live within walking distance of the seat of the globalist occupation government of my nation. When Putin finally lets us have it, I doubt I'll feel a thing.

I can't speak for anybody else here, but I dare say I'm as ready as I can be.
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Starrynight wrote..


What strategy or tactics can we use in a counter-revolution against all the things Ishamel was writing about -- our own fears and anxieties, and the overwhelming forces of revolution (cultural, social, legal, economic, political, etc.) that we face?

How about the good example of LOVE?



As a Christian, I agree with a rub. My rub is that I am also an American. I assume by "Czechia" and my reading of some of your posts that you live in the EU. Cool. To continue on the rub, I'm living here in the great U.S.A on the blood of others who believed that is worth their blood to fight for freedom. Now - what is freedom today? Let's not go there just yet. So, did that previous sacrifice of blood by those who came before me help ultimately to convey or project or manifest "LOVE"? You see where this leads?

Yeah?

I have no doubt you are familiar with "The Gulag Archipelago"? No?

What about this?:

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What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, polkers, or whatever else was at hand?

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@Starrynight,

At first, referencing MLK and his ilk seems like a good idea. They were "non violent". However we are now living with the end result of the MLK movement:

- 50% of all violent crimes in America are committed by black men, who make up just 7% of our population

- 80% of black children grow up without a father in the home, which guarantees the crime cycle repeats over and over again.

- According to a 2019 survey, just 15% of black children in 8th grade are reading at or above their grade level, despite unprecedented spending on that demographic group

The American population was gaslit hard for decades about MLK, and instead of being beneficial, blacks are easily much worse off now than they were in 1950's, when they had functioning families and systems. You can experience this directly by walking around downtown Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles, and many other places.

When TSHTF, Americans in some places will be much better off than others because they won't have absolutely feral populations roaming about with nothing to lose. For all others, better have hot Pb delivery systems and the skill to use them for mass vermin operation.
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@ Tickerguy "It ain't gonna get THAT bad.

Late 70s? Yes.

Ps: That lasted about 4ish years. This may too."

Yep, not looking at the end of the world here from this economic event. Could be supply disruptions, power outages, social disorder, etc. but not the end of the world.

Long Term Prepper and well positioned to survive and thrive for the next 4 years. At age 62, I also prep to make sure I can help my children and grandchildren weather the coming storm.

The one thing I am going to do is gradually withdrawal about $20K and put on in a secure spot. I am doing this not because the banks are going to cut me off from by cash but it positions me to procure goods and services at a major discount over the next 4 or 5 years.

Used to work with a guy who was fairly well off and kept tens of thousands at home in cash. Asked him why and he said his grandfather emerged as quite the landowner out of the depression as he was able to acquire land and equipment for pennies on the dollar because he had cold hard cash when nobody else did.
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