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Once again the fish fly into the boat courtesy of Ishmael, where The Bottlewasher prepares to fillet and cook them..... -- Ed

June 2022

Unsolicited advice sucks.  I absolutely despise it when people smugly tell me what I should do. Therefore I have no desire to pass the frustration along.

If this describes you, skip this guest Ticker. No offense taken. Clown world raises blood pressure enough, and I don’t want to do my part of increasing deaths from suddenly.

There's a sentiment floating around the dark corners of the internet. It ebbs and flows, yet it builds as time goes on. People are waiting for something to happen. Some describe it as a war, some an apocalypse, and some just say, “Whatever this is, let's just get it over with.”  No one is excited about what’s coming, it’s pure resignation.

Today I'm going to tell you how to prepare for the end of the world. 

Ready for the big secret?  Ok, here goes: You can't.

Thank you very much for reading today’s guest Ticker, have a nice rest of your day.

Waiting and anticipating is a form of torture. Remember the gas lighting, two weeks to flatten the curve, and masks? Even once you knew it was bullshit, the waiting for normal was painful. And that limbo, in addition to the lockdowns themselves, enacted a real human cost that still impacts us today.

Limbo was the start of work ethics collapsing. Granted, the clot shot mandates made that slacking look like amateur hour. The productivity reports bear this out.

Honestly, with rising fuel, consumer, and worst of all producer prices, I almost miss 2020 when our biggest problems were lockdowns and tard rags. Almost. A more accurate simile is eating a shit sandwich while fondly missing the vomit soup appetizer.  

In three previous Tickers, I've discussed prioritizing a physical prep list, what to do with extra time on your hands, and the power of choices. This one is an attempt to prepare you psychologically, a guide out of limbo.  I hope this helps you sleep better, we all need rest for whatever comes.

Getting in a productive mental space is the difference between winning and losing the next battle. It helps to view what's coming as a personal war. Framing it like that immediately highlights win versus lose. And you want to win.

None of us know what will happen in the future, the anticipation becomes torture if we let it. Unknowns loom large and people instantly imagine the worst case scenario.

Short term situations are easier to predict and mitigate, they’re a good place to start.  Not the end of the world, because if that happens, you will not survive and it doesn't matter.  Describe something like this: What is most likely to rock my world this summer? Pick a scenario and define it concretely.  

Make a list of what-ifs. If necessary, put “end of the world” at the top so your mind moves on from it. Write down every scenario you think of, no matter how scary. Writing them down takes away some of their terrifying power. They might happen, but naming it is the first step in facing it head-on. 

Next, break down the items into two sections: what scares me the most, and what is most likely to happen?  Something appearing on both is normal.  Reality is scary, sometimes as much as what our minds imagine. 

Now make a third list: what can I influence?

How many of the scary scenarios are out of your control?  Be honest here.  You are not going to stop or start a revolution. We aren’t voting our way out of this.  But you can store food now if the trucks stop delivering for a month or so this summer.

The third list is the only list that matters. The other two will keep you up at night and disrupt sleep with nightmares.

Take that third list and prioritize it. This is your personal guide out of limbo. 

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Look at what is happening in China. They used the COVID tracking app to break a bank run. If all your money is in a bank they can turn off the spigot. It would be really difficult and take time to remove the cash money from the system but cutting off your access to it fairly easy for most people. You should have some of the physical magic paper in your possession - not be one of the idiots standing in line in front of closed bank doors.
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"But you can store food now if the trucks stop delivering for a month or so this summer".

If the trucks stop delivering, it will be for much longer than "a month or so". Once we get to that slippery slope, so many things will have gone wrong that it will take more than all the pants shitters horses and all of his men to put Humpty Dumpty together again.

The question then becomes, how does one store enough food to last for an indefinite emergency? Especially when it was planned and executed deliberately to cause us maximum angst? When the desired result is for all of us to submit to the tyranny of fools and geriatrics?

Yes, put some food away. But put some ammo away also. Because the ballot box is not the only box we will need to use.
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Bravo Ishmael.

I have been feeling like things are accelerating lately and I have been losing sleep.
I will be taking your advice and trying to figure out what I haven't done yet and need to do.

Best of luck to all here.

Just doin' the best I can.
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Ishmael, Your Ticker today is spot-on. As a former rural paramedic, I can tell you that the ONLY way to not be overwhelmed in dire circumstances is to narrow focus on what is possible to achieve. In My world, sometimes it meant ignoring a badly injured person because you knew, under the present conditions, the injury was not survivable and that there were others to help. The science is called triage. It is a difficult thing to teach as it really forces you to ignore your "normalcy". Frankly, some can never learn the skill. It is really the same skill as a successful person in combat.
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Fine words! I think about it this way.

Study what did happen.
Prepare for what might happen.
Act on what is happening now.

In my neck of the woods, Hurricanes come through every few years.
I study what happened when hurricanes did come through. (Traffic Jams/Etc.)
I prepare based on what did happen when they came through. (Blackouts/Etc..)
I act based on current conditions. (Bugging In/Bugging out/Etc. as needed)

I see so many people who think that everything that "might" happen will happen.
They lose sleep over it, despite the fact that it's logically impossible.

A flipped coin can come down on either side but not on both.

Act on what's happening right now.

"Threats are illogical. And payment is usually expensive." - Sarek of Vulcan
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Canning lids (and jars) are still hit or miss around me. Not sure if that's supply chain issues, or if there is a resurgence in canning. I assume people are getting back into it.

We can what's in season. When it's being picked locally, usually the cheapest prices. Help a farmer out...even cheaper. Great way to store food. Shelf stable. Lasts a year+. Incremental prepping.
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Damn fine words @Ishmael.

Great advice!

"Keep pushing fuckers, you'll find the trip wire eventually"
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Yep, bad times are upon the world. The best way to prepare for "the end" is to read Revelations in the Bible. Ecological disasters, food shortages, diseases, hyperinflation and tyrannical government it's all in that book. Truly scary stuff, but ultimate hope is provided in knowing and accepting Christ.

It's the belief in Christ and following those principles taught so many years ago that will bring a very small percentage of mankind to the Kingdom of God.
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Thanks for putting this out there. I am grateful for this forum. Memory is fuzzy, but at some point during the past two years, this site has risen to become the first place I read in the morning. I'm going to turn this machine off and work on my lists.
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If you prepare for job loss, you're ready for the most likely disaster. Being able to get by for months with no income and little outgo will get you through a whole lot of other scenarios, too.
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Great ticker Ishmael. Great jam @Bzelbob.

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Excellent advice!

In addition to generating a list of WHAT to do, also put some though into differentiating between WANTS and NEEDS.

Focus on the activities which cover your NEEDS first. When those are addressed as best you can achieve, then start thinking about the things you most WANT or would like to have.

I might WANT a thick juicy steak or roast for dinner, but the bottom line is that I can get by with rice and beans if I have to. I might get incredibly sick and tired of rice and beans day after day, but it's better than going hungry.

You want to minimize the chances of finding yourself NEEDING something that you can't get. You might have to get a bit creative in a pinch.

As an aside, there are countries in the world today where the primary source of protein in the diet is provided by eating insects. (Nobody said it was going to be easy.)

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The only problem I have is giving a FUCK, that train has left the station.

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Great ticker Ishmael.

waiting and anticipating is a form of torture


I miss 2020, too. In retrospect, that was easy street. Take your ivermectin. Dont be a Karen. Enjoy the lack of traffic and cheap gas.

Watch the BLM riots. Bring moar popcorn to laugh at the Karens. Buy ammo if you can find it.

So here we are in limbo, 2022. I have been feeling dread - war, famine, plague. Only pestilence seems missing.

Your advice is excellent. Focus on what you can influence. Expect things to get worse; maybe well be pleasantly surprised one day.

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Once again, a kindred spirit, thank you.

Bravo my annon friend for writing it another way. Perhaps the folks here and elsewhere will get the message from one of us.

Limit to thinking and doing what you can, and do it as best possible accepting that it might not be perfect.

Will only respectfully add one thing. Doing the opposite of everyone, including the prepper, responsibility, face-the-hard-choices types can have two benefits. Firstly, one obtains a unique perspective which must be evaluated independently of others thoughts as no one is doing and communicating about the same in your primary community, such as here in TF land. It is easy to start parroting others no matter how well intentioned they might be or correct in their particular angle. If one falls for this, one might miss flaws in the "group" plan as there is less individual testing and consequences.

Next, never rule out that sometimes the best path to preparedness and survival is indulgence or perhaps pleasure. If pain is both a warning and a teacher, it might also be true that avoiding it is as much of a good decision. Anglo society is based upon sadism, and self-abuse is merely sadism directed at oneself. Hard work and sacrifice are idolized in this society to make people feel that they are better morally for it, and the system responds by attempting to make more of it necessary often by manipulated choice.

The path of pleasure is often an unguarded door, however one is trained to second guess all the way down the hall towards it. There is no one who will stop you or interfere with your path. They might say something, but it is your choice to listen or not.

In your "survival" planning ask yourself, "Will i like this?" If you have the balls to do so which i doubt. It is one of the reasons why i advise people to eat their preparedness food regularly and rotate stock, live like one is in the situation including with family for a long period, do it like it is real. Now ask if one could love it.

Sounds a lot different than when the shit hit the fan one is going to be more miserable just to survive to be more miserable.

Think of it this way. Do you like raising chickens and pigs, or are you just engaging in a pre-avoidance of starvation and suffering? If you really do not, break the sadism and figure out a way to survive which will be enjoyable. This is also a good way to ensure that your children do not grow to hate you.

There is a line that we struggle to give our children so much of what we did not have that we forget to give them what we did have. Once again, in Sadism Anglo America this is often promoted as they need more hardship, but the lie protects the parent's ego just as much. Whether it be through your "survival" planning mission or not wanting them to make your mistakes of the same age or do what makes sense now, they will know full well without any evidence which you can identify that you are inflicting hardship on them, work and limitations which you might have never had. It is easy to loose sight of the fact that as a parent one might have had it much easier and luckier than one's children with a lot more room for mistakes. Hint: admit this to them if you have any balls left. If you had it much harder, this is a different subject which i will not write about here. In this simply realize that your gift of being able to be Superman is not directly inherited.

A biographer of Mahatma Gandhi once wrote that it is not easy living with a saint, and even the spiritual leader himself suffered guilt for the pain that he inflicted on his wife with his perfectionism and mission.

The best way to start to understand this at any age is to know what one does not want.

Sometimes one needs a reason to live as much as a desire to live. Happiness is a good one.

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Does this "Ishmael" person also post here under a different name?
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"Today I'm going to tell you how to prepare for the end of the world.

Ready for the big secret? Ok, here goes: You can't.

Thank you very much for reading todays guest Ticker, have a nice rest of your day."

Love IT!!!!
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" eating a shit sandwich while fondly missing the vomit soup appetizer"
Simply beautiful!
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Although much more true a couple of centuries ago, there premise still holds water . . . what about those people, living primitively in remote areas, who literally have never heard of Jesus? Are they just doomed? Does our God, in his infinite grace and wisdom, have no plan for this part of his creation?
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@Mikey - I'm finally seeing canning lids with a regular presence in stores around here. Also WalMart now regularly has ammo on the shelf for those looking.
Good points all around.
@Whitehat you make some interesting points to consider. I'm not much of an animal person to be honest, I'd rather design & build things, but I do think it important to be ahead of the curve here, hence the family farm. Also I find myself having the "life is hard" conversation with more family members these days...
I do agree, keeping your mind out of the "unknown dread" pool definitely helps the outlook. Also knowing there are others like you out there somewhere helps as well...
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Need less.

Seperate wants from needs. If you haven't had to go a day without food because you didn't have money, I suggest you try it before you are forced to. A hungry belly can really focus the mind. Even average food taste great when you're that hungry.

Become part of a community. The Ticker Forum is a great community for sharing ideas, but you need a community of people nearby to exchange goods and help shoulder the burdens of living.

In many ways I'm an anti social asshole, but I also know I need other people around. If you push everyone away because you're a prick, it's that much easier for the group to shun you (or put a bullet in your head).

It isn't hard to build community: say, "please" and "thank you" and "yes sir" (or ma'am). Hold doors for others, let ladies go first, ect.

If you live somewhere such manners are treated with contempt, you live in the wrong place.

Social politeness has all but been forgotten by the masses. When politeness is returned with contempt, it pretty easy to put those folks in the same file as your opponent's attorney, politicians and the XYZ crowd. Did I write file? I meant, defile - it's much easier turning them into pet food.

In the end, maybe all being polite gets you is a bullet in the head. Better than the asshole who got the bullet in the knee, then gut. Ends the same, but...

The problem is most people want to point a finger rather than their thumb when dealing with challenges.
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2020 (and 2021) ended up being a really great year for me personally. Got to WFH full time. My kids got sent home from school so I got to spend a lot of time with them. my garden/farm had it's best year because instead of driving 1.5 hours a day I could spend that working outside. I kicked a couple bad habits and lost 20 lbs. More quality time with the wife. I got a new puppy that I had wanted for a few years, and being home all day helped that out. I have completed a bunch projects around the house and yard. Paid off everything but the new car (0 interest) and the house (2.25%).

But 2022 has felt different. Right now energy is the biggest concern. It will cost me 50% more to fill my LP tank this year. Gas is up and I am back in the office part time, so that expense is starting to be realized more.

Electricity is up a little, but I am concerned about reliability as we go forward. I need to invest in a genset, but have been caught on sizing. I would like an LP fully integrated system, but now worried about specific parts. Looking at something smaller, more modular, probably more manual, but I know will work and not dependent on parts that take 6 months to get. Looking for something to cover 2-3 days for critical stuff (well, furnace, freezer/fridge).

I was going to replace my truck in 2020, but with the pandemic I felt I could put it off. Now the model I was looking at is 30-35% more, so I will probably keep the 2012 Chevy for now. Maybe in 2 years I can pick up a slightly used one really cheap. Canning jars are tough to find yet. We have been stocking up since last fall when we can find them, but still about 1/3 short of what we need.

Inflation is going to be the bitch. Yeah, the short run stuff is hitting now, but there are going to be a few waves coming. A lot of companies had to give big raises this year to retain people. That is starting to hit products now. The wage push will hit the public sector, they will ask for bigger budgets, and the tax levies will follow into 2023 and 2024. Sherriff's departments are making noise about running out of fuel budgets, they will push for temp funding, and expand next years budget too.

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Earlier today, @Tsherry wrote: "Got it? They mean to kill you, they are doing so, and you aren't fighting it, by and large." This statement is related to this Ticker by Ishmael, and it got me thinking.

I understand the point that we're in a war, and I want to win. But there must be some social science term to describe the kind of gray zone we're in. The forces that we are fighting are diffuse. It is hard to know concretely and specifically, who or what is trying to harm us, and what exactly we can do to defend ourselves -- and also go on offense against them. Who or what are our targets? A nameless, faceless bureaucracy. Ishmael might suggest identifying and targeting individual decision-makers and their families, I suppose. But (and I hope this doesn't get me ban-hammered), I must say such a suggestion doesn't sit well with me and I am not a proponent of violence.

If it's people like TV producers, bank clerks, teachers, professors, advertising execs, politicians, and LGBT activists that are changing society in ways that target regular people, what is an effective mechanism of resistance? If we were being directly attacked with weapons, you could fight back with weapons. That would be a hot civil war. But in this case, it's on a low simmer and every day, every month we see creeping revolution.

It's very clever in a way that our adversaries often do not use overt force. How did they get into decision-making positions of power to effect this revolution? A long march through the institutions? Doesn't that mean that to counter it will take time -- a counter-march through the institutions? Or, are there alternative methods we could use?

You may not like activists like Gandhi or MLK, Jr. but they were creative in finding ways to undermine the powers that be and generally fought non-violently against their enemies. In a way, they were geniuses at finding ways to respond that kept their opponents off balance. I'm not saying we should do exactly what they did, I am only trying to suggest that we need some tactical and strategic geniuses, too, to find ways to knock our opponents off balance, in the context of our particular time and place.

For example: Gandhi had the ultimate goal of independence from Great Britain. He said the Indians might not win by force of arms, but the British could not control such a big population if the Indian people withdrew their compliance. One of Gandhi's strategies was to create a kind of parallel economy, to get the people de facto independent even while the British were still in charge. Tactically, one famous example of his activism was to protest the salt tax that gave the Brits control over that commodity. As a PR stunt but also a real material act of defiance, Gandhi did a march to the coast, which gathered a lot of followers, where he made his own salt out of seawater, thus obtaining salt independent of the British system. He said, if you have a goal and you're going to take action to achieve it, you have to be willing to bear the consequences including incarceration and death.

Now, what kind of acts of defiance would be effective and meaningful in our context? Actions that are at once a marketing ploy (to get attention and followers) but also have a real material effect? Unfortunately, I am not a genius so I don't have the answer. But there must be effective counter-measures to what we're fighting against.

The LGBT authors wrote "After the Ball" and laid out their plan to conquer the culture and make "gay OK". Is there anyone today writing similar visionary but also practical and realistic plans to push back?

Maybe it would help to identify what our goals are. For Gandhi, it was independence and creation of an Indian state. For the LGBT crowd, it is pushing their agenda on society. What are our goals? To make gay not OK? But what does that mean? To create a Christian society? Maybe articulating the goals would be another helpful step in winning the war Ishmael describes.
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I grew up in South Africa in the 60's/70's. My parents were strict as hell and my sibs and I had very little leeway in how we spoke or acted. Corporal punishment was very much a part of our childhood. The biggest takeaway from that was taking responsibility for our own actions. If you fuck up, you take the punishment for it and then you fix it.
Fast forward to current times... I almost never suffer from sleepless nights, worrying about stuff. If something is bothering me I figure out what it is. Then, can I do anything about it? If yes, do it so that it doesn't bother me any more. If no - figure out how to live with whatever it is. Whether that means prepping to guard against its eventual happening, moving away to where it won't affect me if it does, or just accepting that eventually it will get me and worrying about it is not going to do anything for me at all. So I can put it behind me and not worry about it any more.
I also finally realized that I'm not responsible for anyone else's words or actions, only my reaction to same. I've cut some people out of my life when they became a "problem" as mentioned above. They were given fair warning that they either cut out their shit, or I boot them out of my life. Their choice, their consequence. No longer my problem.
So yeah, it "feels" like something big is brewing and some shit is going to happen. I prepped for the things most likely to happen, and will just have to deal with whatever is coming when it happens. In the meantime I am enjoying my life, doing things I love to do and just take each day as it comes.

Totally off topic - I smoked a boneless leg of lamb the other day. It was freaking fantastic. Seasoned with salt, pepper, garlic and dried rosemary. Smoked with apple wood pellets at 250 degrees until an internal temp of 140. Rested for 30 minutes. Goes really well with a glass of Cabernet.
I also highly recommend the Meater Plus thermometer.
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