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Packetcap
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Jwm_in_sb:

You gotta realize that these old people, particularly the women (and men who are acting like women), are scared out of their minds about Covid. Even if you explain the facts to them, show them the data, discuss co-morbidities, etc, they are just afraid. Afraid to finally die. If you look around enough, you'll see other things your mom is irrationally afraid of.

This by the way is why we need to get rid of all the geriatric fucks in Congress, right now. Lawmakers who are in fear of Russia, a return of Trump, the citizens, and everything else CAN NOT make good decisions on behalf of the nation. They are only thinking of themselves and their own fear.

Ironically they do not need to fear the People yet. That's only for selected Republicans and Supreme Court justices.
Laurentz
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Oh great, it is already starting, Lyme disease will be another excuse for heart inflammation and facial droops. Have seen two news posts about this now.

"The team analyzed 89 studies on Lyme disease that included the blood tests of more than 158,000 people worldwide.

The condition seems to be growing in prevalence, the researchers said. In the US, confirmed Lyme disease cases have increased by 44% between 1999 to 2019, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Data.

Early symptoms of Lyme disease include fever, severe tiredness, headache, muscle and joint aches, and swollen lymph nodes.

At this point disabling complications can include life-threatening heart inflammation called carditis, cognitive impairment, a facial droop, meningitis, swollen knees, and arthritis."

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Anicolici
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Wife had coof when it first came out and no testing was readily available - we know because in addition to being hit hard with a nasty flu, with pneumonia, she lost her taste and smell for several MONTHS. But again, unconfirmed as this was April 2020. I took care of her but slept in a different bed and somehow managed to avoid it. Then the whole family got it from the kids (school was shut down as result) this past Dec. None of us vaxxed - wife and I took Vitamin I and the other recommended supplements. Wife had a mild second round, mine was a regular flu, kids had mild flu-like symptoms. MIL also caught it - unvaxxed, diabetic, skinny as a rail. Gave her IVM and she got through it just fine.

Less lucky: FIL caught it fall of 2021, diabetic, about 400 lbs. Spent 2 months in the hospital but pulled through. They tried to get him to take vaxx but he didn't UNTIL AFTER he recovered! Got it at Walmart and ... died January of congestive heart failure. Now he was 400 lbs so likely that played into it, but why the hell do you take the shot after surviving the thing???

Lots of vaxxed family and friends with "sudden" issues. Very sad all around :(
Jwm_in_sb
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The Naomi Wolfe clip is posted in the tinfoil forum thread I created hours before she dropped it on Bannon. I don't want to hijack this ticker thread.
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My mother-in-law is vaxx injured and has a lung disease that will likely kill her in a few years. She even said out loud that it might have been the vaxx, but what does she do? She gets boosted.

I just cannot handle the idiocy anymore. I give up. As long as me and mine are unjabbed I do not care what anyone else does.
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@Packetcap - There are damn good reasons the Constitution can 'only be for a fundamentally religious and moral people'. One of those reasons is that the Founders new that in their pursuit of freedom and liberty, some of them WOULD die, and yet more would end up destitute. Both of these things happened in spades.

They did it anyway, because they were fundamentally religious (specifically Christian) and knew that they had something better waiting for them after they died, and they were secure in the knowledge that they were doing God's work.

THEY DID NOT FEAR DEATH, which should be the default state for any good Christian. The fact that it isn't just shows what most Christians' so-called faith is actually worth today.

The last 2.5+ years shows what happens when you have a super majority of people who DO fear death.
Msheff
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@Bzelbob wrote: "They can't connect the dots..."

I keep quoting this UncleJohnsBand because he explains so succinctly what I find otherwise incomprehensible: how and why so many accept uncritically, like those who accepted the "fentanyl in moderate doses is ok" "advice" (sheesh!):

"Judgement is the application of reason and evidence through time and memory. And judgments based on pattern recognition require... well... recognition. Remembering previous experiences from different points in time and how they relate to one another and the present. .. There's an unchanging quality to the behavior pattern that would be impressive were it not so societally destructive.

"This is because the beliefs arent grounded in cumulative observation or logical assessment. They have no temporal build-up. No chain of pieces. And so there is no idea of comparative or any other - relations across time in them. Theres nothing empirical or rational in how theyre created, so there is no empirical or rational process in how theyre appraised. The beliefs are simply given by the glowing screen atemporally. The fruit-fly tier memory sees the world as a context-less perpetual present.

Its how the self-evidence nonsense and error of the pandemic was accepted by a critical mass of idiots without a moments reflection on the idiocy. And how when the measures did nothing to stop the spread, the idiots kept embracing not only the idiocy but the liars who continue to promote it. It seems almost impossible how for all the contradictions of previous epidemiological knowledge, fake claims, and psycho-socio-cultural destruction, the perpetrators never lost their ill-founded credibility.

"But fake claims need to be cross-referenced with observed reality. Noting that the curve didnt flatten after two weeks and that !vax rates dont correspond to case numbers means having to remember what was said and applying it to what is happening."
https://theunclejohnsband.blogspot.com/2....
Winston2020
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There is ONE reference to "unvaccinated" in the study linked below and it is in this sentence: "The relative attenuation of severe symptoms in vaccinated compared to unvaccinated groups is likely attributable [they STILL don't know... assuming it actually exists? - W] to the partial protection conferred by the residual neutralizing Ab (nAb) repertoire and the activation of primed B cell and T cell memory (1318)."

JUNE 14, 2022
Omicron infection is a poor booster of COVID-19 immunity

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-06-o....

People [vaccinated people - W] infected with the omicron variant show poor immune boosting against future SARS-CoV-2 infection.

These are the findings of a study published today in the journal Science, led by researchers at Imperial College London, which looks at how the complex patchwork of immunity in the population following vaccination and previous infection influences our future protection against SARS-CoV-2.

A common assumption of the COVID-19 pandemic has been that through being infected with the virus you gain a natural immune boost, leaving you better able to recognize the variant you've encountered and fend off infection in the future.

However, the latest analysis finds that omicron provides a poor natural boost of COVID-19 immunity against re-infection with omicron itself even in people who are triple-vaccinated.

The study:

Immune boosting by B.1.1.529 (Omicron) depends on previous SARS-CoV-2 exposure
14 Jun 2022

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scie....

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Health Secretary Xavier Becerra tests positive for coronavirus, second time in less than a month - 13 Jun 2022

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hhs-sec....

Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra, for the second time in less than a month, has tested positive for COVID-19.

"He is fully vaccinated and boosted against COVID-19, and is experiencing mild symptoms"...

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BTW, in Colorado which has BY FAR the best COVID data presentation I've seen anywhere, the minority (43%) of those currently hospitalized are unvaccinated:

https://covid19.colorado.gov/data
Msheff
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Voxday writes: "A microscopic analysis of the blood clots that have been found in those killed by the vaccines proves that they are not blood clots, but rather, auto-assembling protein structures."
Link to Voxday's post: https://voxday.net/2022/06/13/seven-kill....
Link to original: https://www................/2022-06-12-b....

This makes Walter Chestnut's articles relevant. https://wmcresearch.substack.com/p/querc....
Winston2020
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Why Im 99% certain Justin Biebers facial paralysis was caused by COVID vax
12 Jun 2022

https://stuartbramhall.substack.com/p/wh....

Excerpt:

The VAERS data shows that Ramsay Hunt Syndrome (RHS) is 160 times more likely after a COVID vaccination than for all the other vaccines combined in any given year. And if you exclude the anthrax vaccine from that comparison, the likelihood is simply too high to calculate (0 cases in 32 years).

Seems eerily similar to a vaccine related shingles activation, amongst other things. All these odd ones are popping up in what seemingly is a more than normal fashion, by a fair bit. We even have new problems, like Sudden Adult Death Syndrome which I am reading about all of the sudden. Hmmm.This is the bad news for Justin Bieber.

Compared with Bells palsy (facial paralysis without rash), patients with Ramsay Hunt syndrome often have more severe paralysis at onset and are less likely to recover completely.

Biebers wife was also likely vaccine injured. For example, see this tweet about his 26 year-old wife who had a mini-stroke after she was vaccinated. Lot of young people getting strokes nowadays the one thing they have in common: theyve all been vaccinated.

Ramsay Hunt syndrome following COVID-19 vaccination
15 August 2021

https://pmj.bmj.com/content/postgradmedj....
Msheff
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"...by far the most important element of this little book [Aristotle's <i>Rhetoric</i> is the philosophers division of humanity into two fundamental classes: those who are capable of learning through information and those who are not.
'Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.' "

From Preface to Aristotles Rhetoric, by Vox Day, Castalia House publishing: https://voxday.net/2022/04/26/rhetoric-b....

Seems like the truth of this is being demonstrated daily.
Fenriswulf
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one final add. Since many of the papers cited are NIH publications they need to refute their own research and foreknowledge
Phoenix800
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@ Msheff
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how and why so many accept uncritically, like those who accepted the "fentanyl in moderate doses is ok"

I got a shot of fentanyl a couple of years ago. The stuff is incredible. I was in the ER after getting hit by a car while walking. I was pretty busted up from going through the car's windshield. I couldn't breathe more than a couple of CCs of air at time and they were trying to get me into the CT scan. They didn't use the word fentanyl but called it something else. I found out what it was when I read the medical reports months later. Anyway all the pain from two broken ribs, a broken collarbone, broken arm, collapsed lung, multiple contusions and abrasians went away almost instantly.

People should not be fucking around with the stuff.
Heartlander
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@Wayiwalk
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Worse will be their response, "if we hadnt delayed getting green energy in place, these strokes wouldn't have happened everywhere.

Yeah, that's illogical, but its my projection of
their illogic.


@Phillydog
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In the past you could always just decline to do the ' new shiny thing' and you would succeed and even advance for having not done so. For some reason this is different. Their relentless attempts to drag us all into this mess are unfounded and scary.


These people scare the shit out of me. They make that old Soviet loon Lysenko seem legit and trustworthy by comparison. We are turning into something that could make Stalin's Soviet Union seem safe and humane by comparison.

Yet, even as knowledgeable as I am about these things, as many reaearch papers and books as I've read, as many podcasts/interviews with HONEST expert doctors and scientists as I've listened to, it is still difficult, even for me, to get my head around the hideous reality: that TPTB really do mean to murder us all. If even people such as I have a hard time believing it, imagine how near-impossible it is for people who have not invested the countless hours in research that I and most of the folks here have. Like the hapless Jews during WWII, even being loaded onto the cattle cars will not wake them up. Even being marched into the "showers" will not wake them up. Not until the last few seconds before death will the reality hit them.

The other historical event that haunts me is the Jonestown massacre of 1978. Which is even more horrifying because, unlike Hitler, Jim Jones TOLD them they were going to die -- and actually got them to murder themselves. AND THEIR OWN CHILDREN.

Mobs and mass insanity are the most terrifying things on earth. All my life, I have used reason, logic, facts, objective evidence to try to win people over. But those things don't work with those who are truly in the grip of a mass formation psychosis. This has been one of the most difficult things for me personally to accept. People I have respected for years as (1) genius-level intelligent, and (2) kind and virtuous, often even deeply committed Christians, are on board with the madness and do not listen to me. Some of the last people I expected to be lemmings are pushing the death shots and injecting their own children.

On the other hand, I know people who, even though they got the initial jabs, are absolutely refusing to have anything to do with the damn "boosters." One couple whom I expected to be "mainstream" I was surprised and delighted to find out are regularly taking ivermectin to try to inhibit whatever spike protein might still be in their bodies from the jabs they had over a year ago. Their 40-year-old nephew recently died suddenly from a heart attack, and they are more motivated than ever with their ivermectin regimen. What really encourages me is that this couple had not gotten one bit of their information from me, and they don't read Market-Ticker, and they'd never heard of Dr. Pierre Kory. But somehow they knew about ivermectin... despite the constant MSM drumbeat against it.
Winston2020
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Yeah, sure, it's JUST "Covid" and the NON-pharma efforts against it.

Not ONE WORD about the COVID "vaccines" in this long column.

Covid is making flu and other common viruses act in unfamiliar ways
June 13, 2022

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/20....

That, Mina and others say, is what happened once people doffed their masks and started gathering indoors. Viruses began circulating out of season because population immunity was low even if other conditions for them were not optimal.

The same process of immune memory is already well-documented by other phenomena, Mina said, like 35- and 40-year-olds getting shingles, a reactivation of the chickenpox virus that typically affects older adults or people with weakened immune systems.
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I've had almost no discussion whatsoever with "pro-vax" people on the subject. I think nearly everyone in my social circle (both professional and personal) consider one's medical information to be a private matter, not to be discussed in polite conversation. As such, I have yet to experience some of the unpleasantness that many of you have. If any "Karen" tries to bring up the subject with me, I will politely tell them that my personal life choices, medical and non-medical, are private and not a proper subject for politic or casual conversation. If they fail to take the hint or, worse, get in my face over it, I will become rude and simply tell them to "go fuck themselves".

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Abelardlindsey
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Many of you must live on the east coast where it is more socially acceptable to get into each other faces over personal choice matters. I've never encountered this unpleasantness in person. Now the internet is another story. But I simply do not argue with people on the 'net.

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Heartlander
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@Whitehat
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the vast army of the ignorant both professionals who we assume should know better and the general public are the reason that any knowing evil is unchecked.

Simply logic. If Fauci and company were facing thousands of doctors, nurses, employees of various govt orgs and citizens who said in unison, "Bullshit," this would have never happened.

The incompetent made it possible.
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Stupidity is the foot soldier of the immoral. People have to know what is wrong to fight it.

Notice all of the movements in schools over three or four generations to redefine what was once known to be wrong by simple common sense and general competency in natural laws, math and pedestrian science.

We now have a society that thinks we can make what was born one sex into another

I agree with your analysis. Critical thinking skills have become so rare that "common sense" is quite uncommon. My husband use to call it his "bullshit detector." Wendell Berry calls it "sales resistance." You don't fall for mob-think when you actually have a mind of your own.

But beyond the purely mental/intellectual aspect, there is a moral aspect. To illustrate: In the fall of 2020, before I had plugged into the Ticker Forum community, and I didn't yet know much about immunology and vaccinology, I had this one fact: All the Covid shots were developed using cell lines from organs harvested from murdered babies. The vaxx was never an option in my mind from the moment I learned that one fact. It was only later that I learned more of the science. In other words, my moral compass was the "backstop" when I didn't yet have all the science.

But that same moral compass is something that, like scientific competence, has been largely eliminated in our society. Not just the education system but everything in pop culture has seen to that.

Finally, as Gavin de Becker can tell you, people's natural intuitive capacities have been suppressed and drummed out of them. To make it personal again, my gut told me that anything that Bill Gates, George Soros, Tedros, and the proven liar Fauci were pushing had to be suspect -- harmful until proven harmless. You don't trust people you already know to be evil with decisions about your body, your health, your life!

In sum, three things have been destroyed -- I believe, deliberately -- in our general society over the past few decades: reasoning capacity, moral capacity, and intuitive capacity.

Which created the conditions for the perfect storm that is the Covid psychodemic.

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Heartlander
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Am I the only one whose head is about to explode at the very utterance of the phrase "tested positive"?

THE "TESTS" ARE, AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, BULLSHIT. Even the CDC (or maybe it was the NIH) finally admitted this late last year, and discontinued PCR test mandates as of December 31.

So we're nearly 6 months past that, and still subjected to that shit? Why is anyone, anywhere, under any circumstances, using those #$%^&* tests??!!?!

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Mannfm11
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How much more information do we need to recognize none of this crap is about CV19? These people aren't stupid, but they are damn sure assured of themselves. Anyone taking a third jab will accept an assfuck to cure a cold.

I don't believe I have had the coof. I live in a large metro area. I get a severe case of allergies, but I have never had a recognizable fever. I have a friend, now dead, take 3 jabs and come up with stage 4 cancer and a sister who had about a third of her pancreas removed due to a tumor, triple jabbed.

Fentanyl? In 2017, I saw a video with a guy who was formerly a big Democrat funder in AZ. He said the Arizona mafia, a group of AZ politicians who move into the Obama crime family, including Janet Napolitano, who ran DHS were involed with fast and furious. He spoke of how the criminal President, from the late 1980's, Carlos Salinas ran the country. Vincente Fox won as an opposition, then immediately joined the predominant party after his term ended. He claimed the DNC was in bed with them. He also claimed Salinas's son tried to coerce him into joining the Nvxium cult. Does anyone really think the cartels and gvernment aren't in bed together? Mexico might look backwards to us, but it is the 15th ranked economy in size.

There is a clear link to the open borders and their strategy. This recommendation and the jabs are like telling people, if they use a 22 to shoot themselve, it might not be so bad. The jabs are experiment and there isn't a shortage of recognized dangers. The Pfizer papers expose the ignored dangers. Cv19n dangers pale in comparison.

We are watching a coverup of mass genocide. Instead of pulling this stuff, they are doubling down, giving it to little kids. The risk of sterilization is high, not a first for a WHO sponsored jab. Think they could admit they fucked up, with these documents? Everything about this product screams NAZI scheme.

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Heartlander
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@Vernonb
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They were trying to "persuade" me to give the HPV shot to my 13 yr old with rest of the required vaccinations. I told them outright no.

Since the only way you can get HPV is through sex, I would have punched them in the face for implying that my daughter was a slut.
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@Fenriswulf

Thanks for all the info.

Would you please give a link or two, especially to the Substack person you mentioned?

I have been taking quercetin since March 2020 and curcumin for at least a year. Had a fairly bad case of Covid in September 2021. Glad to know that the quercetin and curcumin, which I have never stopped taking, might have helped/still be helping to prevent amyloid sheet formation.

There are other easily available supplements that are hugely important as well for detoxifying one's body from the spike protein, whether you got the damn thing via the disease or via the vaxxx. I am sending this guide to everyone I know, and I encourage everyone here to consult it and share it as well:

https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/resour....

There's a convenient "Top Ten spike protein detox essentials" box toward the end. Nearly all of the ten are available from any drug store. The quercetin, NAC, and nigella seed (also known as black cumin seed), are available from health-food stores, as well as from online sources such as Life Extension, Piping Rock, or Swanson Vitamins.
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@Anicolici
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why the hell do you take the shot after surviving the thing???

Because you actually believe the lying MSM.
And the lying federal government.
And lying/psychopathic Big Pharma.
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Now Dr. Fraudci tests positive. While, so what??
This strikes a nail in the vaxx believers as this news is seen and attended to be a LOT.
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Heartlander wrote..
Am I the only one whose head is about to explode at the very utterance of the phrase "tested positive"?

THE "TESTS" ARE, AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN, BULLSHIT.

No. You're not the only one.
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