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Gospace
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So I wonder from the statement "Finally, if that's not enough, basically everyone at this point either has been jabbed or has antibodies from infection or cross-reaction and thus already either has damaged their immune response by taking the other jabs or has excellent protection as a result of prior infection." how many of us unjabbed have not yet caught this incredibly infectious super dangerous disease. I haven't. My Red Cross blood donations continue to come up negative for covid antibodies. And I wonder if everyone had been left alone rather then coerced and threatened how many more there would be.

And I have some questions for those that are good at ferreting out numbers.
Since it's now June- How many Social Security recipients older than 85 are there in June 2022 vs June 2021, 2020, and 2019. Since the dreaded covid hits the older harder, and that's supposedly where the "excess" deaths are mostly coming from- there should be an absolute decrease in those numbers year to year. Same with 75-85 year old recipients. 65-75? Maybe it will show up.

And then lets look at VA 100% disabled. Most of those disabled for reasons other than PTSD are in seriously bad shape with multiple comorbidities. There should be an absolute decrease in those numbers.


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@mannfm

"@Phillydog: The left, not the right made the marijuana laws. There was some purpose. It is like getting drunk in 5 minutes, without the hangover, but with the psychological implications of never digesting the pains of growing up. I cite this from personal experience and 30 years of hindsight."

My point wasn't attempting to be partisan. It matters not which "side" of the state made the law. It's a generality but it seems to be the right that has issue with mj these days.. but that's not relevant

The point was supposed to be, and i apologize that i did not articulate it more clearly earlier,

if you use the state to enforce your beliefs onto others, expect others to do the same to you...
Heartlander
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@Gingersmom2009
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Dr. McCullough coined the term "emotionally inert" to describe the lack of vaccine outrage. People are emotionally inert about most everything it seems.

I also remember Dr. McCullough a year ago, when someone asked him why doctors were going along with all the insanity -- from denying ivermectin's efficacy to denying the vaxx's harms -- McCullough said that it seemed to him that most of his fellow doctors were "in a trance."

Think about that. The majority of doctors have been turned into frickin' zombies.
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The trucker rally showed exactly what tyranny Canadians live under.

Fuck supreme chancellor blackface Hitler.
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McCullough is now full on in thr camp that the pandemic was planned. He's partnered with a true crime author on a book about it. He definitely was not on the conspiracy side a year ago.
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It's informed consent and WE DID CITE IT. It was the foundation of the Barnes exemption template.
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Gospace wrote..
My Red Cross blood donations continue to come up negative for covid antibodies.


I don't mean to hijack but here goes anyway...I'm unjabbed, had Covid and recovered in March 2021. I just gave blood for the first time since Covid started about 6 weeks ago, power red per usual. Test shows I'm still Reactive, I have Covid antibodies. Neat.

Then 2 weeks ago I get a letter from the Red Cross telling me my initial screening was positive for HIV! They do follow on tests that conclude this is a false positive, I don't have HIV, but I can never donate blood again.

I don't know if this is common but it's still a massive wtf for me. Zero risk factors, I'm not actually concerned I have HIV, this is just wacky shit. I'm also quite pissed I can't give blood anymore if I'm being honest. Not to be corny but it's a real feel-good human thing. The tin in me is assuming this is a convenient way to get the unjabbed out of the blood supply...
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NMA,

That's interesting. Are you able to post in The Bar? Thst would be a good separate thread.
Nma
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Nope, I don't think I post often enough.
Heartlander
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Lethal injections for millions, not just criminals on death row.
No infant formula for babies.
No fertilizer for farmers.

We have entered the kill phase of the Great Reset.

https://leohohmann.com/2022/05/26/global....
Speedpolkabrewer
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@Nma I have had that happen. I was 1 pint short of 2 gallons donated. I received that same letter. 2005ish. Took the letter to my doctor. He laughed and said not to be concerned. I took a test for piece of mind. All clear. Apparently the screening process is not that accurate and kicks out a shocking number of false positives. There are steps you can take to appeal. I did that,took 4 or 5 months, only to get another false positive a year later.
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McCullough is now full on in thr camp that the pandemic was planned. He's partnered with a true crime author on a book about it. He definitely was not on the conspiracy side a year ago.


Some years prior to this covid business, I read a novel by John Ringo called "The Last Centurion". It is probably the best SF depiction of a pandemic (a real one that kills 60% of the human race over a one year period). I also watched a movie featuring Laurence Fishburne called "Contagion" which is probably the best cinematic depiction of a pandemic (again, a real one that kills lots of people). What has been most astonishing to me about this whole covid affair is just how the whole scenario has played itself out 180 degrees opposite of either the novel or the film. Everything, the pandemic itself, the response of the medical establishment and governments, etc. has been completely different than any novel or cinematic depiction of pandemic. I am not given to conspiracies. But all of this does make one wonder often if this thing really was "staged" from the beginning.

The medical establishment is the worse. The medical establishment is usually depicted as the hero in a plague novel or movie. There are some irregularities depicted in the John Ringo novel. But nothing even close qualitatively or quantitatively to what has actually happened over the past two plus years.

What's ironic is that the John Ringo novel has a vaccine that actually works, is relatively safe, and vastly preferable to facing bird flu infection with a 60% mortality rate. In the novel, its the "red" states that really push the vaccine and it is the "back to nature" liberal granola types who refuse the vaccine because its "against nature". More entertaining, the president is a woman who is essentially Hillary Clinton, who actually sends in the national guard into the red state to prevent mass vaccination because it violates "individual free choice". The novel came out in 2008 when most liberals still believed in liberty.

The thing that has most astounded me is how liberals have completely turned against freedom over the past 5-7 years and morphed into totalitarian little pricks. I long for the days (only 10 short years ago) when the typical liberal retort on issues such as abortion was "if you oppose abortion, then don't get one".

What the hell happened to liberals over the past 10 years??!!

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Winston2020
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I highly recommend this 2020 book. I recently finished it and am now extremely skeptical of any medical study and I think you'd have to be absolutely nuts to inject anything as rapidly developed and fraudulently and incompletely "tested" as the NIH/CCP virus vaccines.

The AI analysis software discussed in the book should be used to analyze the "swamp them with massive amounts of junk data" Pfizer report. I'd bet it would massively fail in every conceivable way. But, of course, that will probably never be done.

Science Fictions: How Fraud, Bias, Negligence, and Hype Undermine the Search for Truth

Science is how we understand the world. Yet failures in peer review and mistakes in statistics have rendered a shocking number of scientific studies useless or, worse, badly misleading. Such errors have distorted our knowledge in fields as wide-ranging as medicine, physics, nutrition, education, genetics, economics, and the search for extraterrestrial life. As Science Fictions makes clear, the current system of research funding and publication not only fails to safeguard us from blunders but actively encourages bad science with sometimes deadly consequences.

Stuart Ritchies own work challenging an infamous psychology experiment helped spark what is now widely known as the replication crisis, the realization that supposed scientific truths are often just plain wrong. Now, he reveals the very human biases, misunderstandings, and deceptions that undermine the scientific endeavor: from contamination in science labs to the secret vaults of failed studies that nobody gets to see; from outright cheating with fake data to the more common, but still ruinous, temptation to exaggerate mediocre results for a shot at scientific fame.

Lancet Editor: Half Of Science Is Wrong. An Underestimate?
MAY 27, 2015

https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/16092/

Replication crisis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicatio....

A 2016 survey by Nature on 1,576 researchers who took a brief online questionnaire on reproducibility found that more than 70% of researchers have tried and failed to reproduce another scientist's experiment results (including 87% of chemists, 77% of biologists, 69% of physicists and engineers, 67% of medical researchers, 64% of earth and environmental scientists, and 62% of all others), and more than half have failed to reproduce their own experiments.
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@Rowdypeasant regarding increases in all cause mortality: check out Edward Dowd on gettr. He has been posting data and commentary on this topic.
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@Abelardlindsey

"I would not be surprised if the man's daughter in this case was euthanized. Doctors are often aggressive at pushing women into aborting the mission when the fetus shows up on ultrasound as being visibly messed up."

Years back my wife's obstetrician offered to do an Amniocentesis on my son.

I asked what treatments were available if they turned up anything, and she got real quiet before saying it was to give us the option to kill our son if the test indicated a chance of Down's syndrome. Wife was not pleased that I flat out asked her "So you'd recommend I kill my son based on the test results?"

Told the doctor we would not do the test, I wasn't going to take the risk of the test when I would not kill my son no matter what it said.

And wife was 23, me 29 at the time. Definitely not a high risk pregnancy, but they were real eager to push infanticide.

What gets me is that they are going after US Citizens who may not be productive (retired, disabled) and at the same time they are opening the borders for useless eaters to invade us...and they won't jab them because they are worried about them suing. Go figure.
Jacksparrow
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As I see it those who took the vaccines are fucked. Specifically the vaccines create non-sterilizing antibodies. If the vaccine mutates to take advantage of those antibodies it will cause ADE and rapid death. A couple things about that. 40% of those who are vaxed and have gotten infected have N-antibodies so I suspect they aren't likely to get ADE. The other thought is most non-vaxed are now immune to covid so I think you'd need a mutation that is sufficient to where those immune un-vaxed can get infected with the ADE causing mutation and thus spread it to the vaxed. Will all those things line up? Hard to say, but Geert Vanden Bossche believes that ADE catastrophe is just a few months away. I definitely see ADE as a possibility, but it needs to be carried from vaxed to vaxed, and if ADE kills in like 48 hrs I doubt those suffering from it are going anywhere to spread it except in a hospital. Also if we start seeing a huge death wave they will blame it on a new virus and lock down society most likely. Fun yet?
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A 2016 survey by Nature on 1,576 researchers who took a brief online questionnaire on reproducibility found that more than 70% of researchers have tried and failed to reproduce another scientist's experiment results (including 87% of chemists, 77% of biologists, 69% of physicists and engineers, 67% of medical researchers, 64% of earth and environmental scientists, and 62% of all others), and more than half have failed to reproduce their own experiments.


I remember a discussion about this in 1988(!) where one of the guys said that 40-50% of all published bio-medical research was bogus.

In 1993 I was trying to develop CVD diamond coatings for industrial applications. Those who know anything about CVD diamond know that it has an extremely slow growth rate, that I was trying to overcome at the time. I found several papers published by a group of researchers from Finland who claimed to have achieved growth rate of 0.5 micron per hour using various partial pressures of Oxygen along with the Hydrogen and Methane feed-stock gases. I spent several months trying to duplicate the results, to no avail. Finally one of the guys I was working with (who was not on the actual) project told me that the paper was probably made up because he had done the same thing in the process of getting HIS PhD. That was my first exposure (and disappointment) with research fraud. I was disappointed because I had an application in mind that would have actually made MONEY! So I was pissed. I moved on to something else after that.

One of my best friends told me about 8 years or so ago that he was convinced that 90% of the published bio-medical work was un-reproducible either because of sloppy laboratory technique, flawed premises or assumptions, or straight up fabrication (made up horseshit). Essentially ALL published social science work is not reproducible, with much of it being ideologically driven fraud.

Tell that to the people who "fucking love science".

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...but Geert Vanden Bossche believes that ADE catastrophe is just a few months away.


I was under the belief that ADE required the existence of vaccine antibodies in order to potentiate the reaction. Since these fade within months (weeks??) following vaccination, I assumed the risk of ADE also faded away as well. Perhaps I am missing something here.

If the ADE thing is in our future when should we expect it? September? October? Perhaps with the onset of the seasonal flu (usually early November).

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4n6
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Late last year I bought the book "Doctoring Data: How to Sort Out Medical Advice from Medical Nonsense" (Feb. 2015) by Dr. Malcolm Kendrick. It was fascinating and I read it in just a couple days. Dr. Kendrick exposes the tricks used by the big medical players to make minute risks look enormous. He wrote how the drug trials are hyped, the data manipulated and various games played to scare us into doing what makes the most money for them. It was like reading the C19/vax game plan.
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Joancrawford wrote..
To echo Susan Lauren-I never wanted to become like this, but I fantasize about hunting these f*ckers down with a pitchfork, hog tying them, dousing them with gasoline, and throwing some lit cigarettes on their bodies (I don't smoke but willingly will take it up if my dream becomes a reality).
I stopped smoking years ago, and have failed to re-start at each offered opportunity. You just gave me the best reason Ive seen in a long while to reclaim the burning point of a cigarette as one expression of the spot of fire alive in my mind.

Stoic wrote..
Nothing moves that meter anymore. It's not broken. It's just hardened to the point of "why live what is left of my life in an outraged state?"

I know that I am not the only one who feels this way. We are powerless over the big picture so we fight our personal battles and to hell with everyone else. We shouldn't be powerless over the big picture but we are. And we know it. We talk with bravado at times but deep in our hearts we know that we are along for the ride with everyone else.

Some of us are a little bit better prepared for the ride but the reality is is that their is no way any of us get out of this unscathed. So I refuse to be outraged anymore. I refuse to allow myself to be made miserable by this clown world. The misery will come. For now I choose to try and stay positive and enjoy whatever time I have left in something that resembles what normal used to look like. I know that I cannot fool myself forever but I am going to try.

Stoic
I was going to snip out and be a bit of a smart ass. Except you are right. Together with your ever-apt username, you have nailed what is going to be required for a lot of us to even survive, let alone enjoy it. Thanks for the reality check. Nonetheless, I still reserve the right to become a monster to fight the monsters.
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I literally just heard on the radio Justin Bieber suspended his tour due to facial paralysis from a form of shingles...

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/justin-bieber....

And oddly enough the first person I have seen with Bell's Palsy in 12 years is a 47 year old woman at work who is a new hire.

Coincidences?

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I seem to remember early in the covid hysteria that testing caused false positives for HIV

I could be misremembering, but that seemed to drive a lot of the early tin that c19 was bioengineering.
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"I remember a discussion about this in 1988(!) where one of the guys said that 40-50% of all published bio-medical research was bogus."

He points out in the book how that area is ESPECIALLY bad.
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"The SARS-CoV-2 pandemic continues to present a challenge to global health and, as of May 26, 2022, has caused over 527 million cases of COVID-19, including 6.3 million deaths worldwide (WHO, 2022). In the US, approximately 83 million cases and 1 million deaths have been reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC, 2022a)."

And about half of those 527 million infected continued to experience symptoms as long as six months afterwards. But where are the consequences for those responsible for the virus which caused these effects, the deaths, and the economic damage in the many trillions -OR- the present and future damage of the vaccines.

That alone should tell you who is actually in charge... and it ain't the unusually well informed like you or me, bucko.

This entirely science-based testimony -TOTALLY- convinced me way back in June of 2021 that the level of circumstantial evidence nailed the virus as a Wuhan lab creation. This should have been headline news, but we know why it wasn't.

Click on "Quay Statement" on the right:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?513038-1/h....
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Mounting Lab Accidents Raise SARS Fears
Science - 30 Apr 2004:
Vol. 304, Issue 5671, pp. 659-661
DOI: 10.1126/science.304.5671.659

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scie....

Summary: For the third time in less than a year, an outbreak of SARS seems to have originated from a failure in laboratory containment. This latest incident, revealed in China late last week, is the most serious.

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SARS escaped Beijing lab twice
Laboratory safety at the Chinese Institute of Virology under close scrutiny
Apr 25, 2004

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analy....

The latest outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in China, with eight confirmed or suspected cases so far and hundreds quarantined, involves two researchers who were working with the virus in a Beijing research lab, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Monday (April 26).

We suspect two people, a 26-year-old female postgraduate student and a 31-year-old male postdoc, were both infected, apparently in two separate incidents, Bob Dietz, WHO spokesman in Beijing, told The Scientist.

The woman was admitted to hospital on April 4, but the man apparently became infected independently 2 weeks later, being hospitalized on April 17. Both worked at the Chinese Institute of Virology in Beijing, part of China's Center for Disease Control.

China has level three research guidelines and rules in place for handling the SARS virus, which are of acceptable quality to WHO, Dietz told The Scientist. But it's a question of procedures and equipment. Frankly we are going to go in now a take a very close look, he said.

In the meantime, the lab has been closed, and the 200 staff have been put in isolation in a hotel near another lab in Cham Ping, about 20 kilometers North of Beijing. China is rushing its own investigative teams to check lab security, according to state media.

Antoine Danchin, an epidemiologist with the Hong Kong UniversityPasteur Research Center, who studied the SARS epidemic in Hong Kong, told The Scientist the latest incidents were probably the result of lab accidents.

Normally, it's not possible to contaminate people even under level two confinement, if the security rules are obeyed, with the appropriate hoods, and so on, Danchin said. SARS work requires level three. So it suggests there has been some mishandling of something.

The lab might have all the right rules, but the people may not comply! For example, notebooks are not supposed to be taken out, a lot of things like that. A virus doesn't jump on people! Danchin said.However WHO Beijing is relatively sanguine about the current threat, despite the fact that the 26-year-old infected had taken a long journey on the country's rail network. The index cases are known, and contacts had been traced, Dietz said. We see no significant public health threat at this point.


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Lab Accidents Prompt Calls for New Containment Program
Science - 28 May 2004

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scie....

While breathing a sign of relief that the latest outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in China is over, health officials are still deeply troubled that they have not pinpointed the original source of the infection. They are also questioning whether research on the virus should be restricted to prevent further lab accidents.

Investigators are convinced that the infections in April involved two separate biosafety lapses within the Institute of Virology at China's Center for Disease Control and Prevention in Beijing. But they have been unable to pin down what went wrong. With four separate infections within the last year at three different institutions in Beijing, Singapore, and Taipei, *** health experts fear that the next SARS epidemic may be more likely to emerge from a research lab than from the presumed animal reservoir. ***

We need a global containment program for SARS, says Julie Hall, the World Health Organization (WHO) coordinator for communicable disease surveillance and response in Beijing. Such a program would involve reducing the number of labs working with the SARS virus and ensuring that the research is done by fully trained people in proper facilities with the right supervision, she says. It would be modeled on existing programs for smallpox and polio. She adds that discussions are just getting started and any program will take time to set up.

It is clear that the two researchers became infected in separate incidents. One was working with fragments of the SARS viral genome, which should not be able to cause disease. The other's research did not involve SARS at all. Hall says that the institute's biosafety level 3 lab, which WHO recommends for work involving viral cell cultures and manipulations involving growth or concentration of the SARS virus, is new, well-equipped, and capable of properly containing the virus. But the infections are believed to have occurred outside the biosafety level 3 area, where some research involving the inactivated or killed virus was apparently conducted.


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Inside Chinas pathogen lab
Maximum-security biosafety facility nears approval, sparking excitement and concern.
23 Sep 2017

https://www.nature.com/news/polopoly_fs/....

But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important, he says.

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Oh, and on China's similar delay in reporting the original SARS to the WHO:

SARS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS

The SARS epidemic began in the Guangdong province of China in November 2002. The earliest case developed symptoms on 16 November 2002.[37] The index patient, a farmer from Shunde, Foshan, Guangdong, was treated in the First People's Hospital of Foshan. The patient died soon after, and no definite diagnosis was made on his cause of death. Despite taking some action to control it, Chinese government officials did not inform the World Health Organization of the outbreak until February 2003. This lack of openness caused delays in efforts to control the epidemic, resulting in criticism of the People's Republic of China from the international community. China officially apologized for early slowness in dealing with the SARS epidemic.[38]
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