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Olddad
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@edward.fish - I forgot to mention, I'm 52, a college dropout and I make (a lot) more money than the average college grad my age, and no, I'm not in sales or management.

Am I an outlier? Maybe, but yeah, it can be done but a) I've been with the same company for over 20 years, b) I didn't start out at the top in rank or pay, and c) I've been willing and still am to bust my ass when the job called for it, no questions asked.

I look at this way, even though I'm a W2 wage earner, I consider myself a business owner who sells my skills and time to a single client. In the event my client and I can no longer agree on the worth of said skills and time, well then I will find a new client. It's that simple.
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Out of a group of about a dozen fully vexxed, at least four have caught it in the last month, and there was talk of two they know who have died of unknown cause or a stroke in the last week. All I asked was, you mean they died suddenly? It was agreed they did. It was a complete mystery. Also, none had caught it to previously.

Common sense might indicate a reason for these things. Anecdotally, like everything else bad these days, they are unfortunately accelerating.

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@jpg you are correct, of course. Here, I will fix it:
common sense says an unborn baby is a living person.
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@susanlauren congratulations on getting your roof fixed in time to support your move, thats a relief for you.
Regarding the roofers, I find that increasingly these days, I have the most respect and gratitude for those who work with their hands and do it with excellence (machinists, welders, electricians, roofers, .).
Bluto
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Somewhat related, the Supreme Court is expected to issue opinion(s) on Monday, June 6th. See image attached from supremecourt.gov

Opinions are expected at some point in the near future on the gun control case and the abortion case.


The Supreme Court is a very political body, and as such likes suspense and anticipation.

They almost always issue the most-anticipated opinions at the end of the session, making people wait.

I expect the abortion case to the final opinion issued, with the gun case being the penultimate opinion, and the antepenultimate opinion being the one that overturns Chevron Deference.

The latter will have a bigger impact on the average person than the other two, but it is under the radar and not as "sexy" as the other cases.

We should know right before the July 4th weekend.

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@Olddad Most people can't make change no more.

I hate having a bunch of $1 bills in my wallet, so I like to round up.

If the bill is $116, I will give then $121. This gets rid of one of my $1 bills, and prevents me from getting 4 more.

I enjoy watching the look of confusion come over their (usually) fat faces. I'd say 80% get stumped by it.

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Edward.fish
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Olddad wrote..
@edward.fish - Sorry dude, but that's bull****. We have 20-something PE's coming to our employ and industry (where we actually build big heavy stuff that people use everyday and that kills people if it's not done right the first time) that are making six figures before they're thirty. Don't blame anyone but their parents for the fact that a **** ton of young people were allowed to choose ****ty, worthless degrees.

@Olddad -- Ah, yes... Computer Science (my degree) is totally a "****ty, worthless degree"... and noting the increases in the price of things denominated-in-time-worked-at-minimum-wage, well that's obviously blaming others. (Can you sense the sarcasm?)

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Quit blaming others. Make changes. Do better. But please quit with the whining. It's childish and unbecoming.

Who did I blame?
I pointed out the "terrain" is not the same as it was in the 80s, or even the 00s. Running downhill and running uphill are to very different things, especially for the runners. -- There is a huge injustice in comparing the [arguably intentionally-]lamed to the able-bodied, and if you don't believe that the workers are under attack then go to the gas-station and buy 20 Gal. of diesel, then go to the grocery store and buy the food equivalent for a 30-person 4th of July BBQ.

And if you still can't see that there's a LOT of "MBA approved" policies (i.e. thinking only of the immediate-term profits) that are effectively fraudulent depression of wages, you're blind:




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Am I an outlier? Maybe, but yeah, it can be done but a) I've been with the same company for over 20 years, b) I didn't start out at the top in rank or pay, and c) I've been willing and still am to bust my ass when the job called for it, no questions asked.

...you seem to be of the opinion that I wouldn't have liked to have put in 20 years at the University job; I would have loved to have done that: it's the university that I graduated from and I would love to see it get better and do well... unfortunately they betrayed all their employees over the forced gene-therapy. I have NEVER started out on the "top rung", and I'm absolutely willing to be a team player: unfortunately that's not two-way, the management expects you to be on their team, but refuses to be on your team. They demand loyalty from you, but refuse to show any to you... and this is a very common corporate culture now.

In corporate America, there is a severe deficit of leaders:
Burya_rubenstein
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"Common sense" says that if a Constitution says X, the entities established by that document should do X, and not do things contrary to X. Otherwise, what was the point of having a Constitution?
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So where are the "common sense" genital mutilation laws?
Veeger
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I just want Common Sense syringe laws! This. Has. Got. To. Stop! I mean, like, they're putting a whole generation of young people at risk! Oh, and no concealed syringe carry either, the Poker can get away with Poking the Pokee and not be detected.

https://news.sky.com/story/this-has-to-s....

New business idea, Open Syringe Carry Holsters.
Tonythetiger
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Bluto wrote..
Most people can't make change


Sadly, this is nothing new. As the owner/operator of a small restaurant in the early 2000s I saw this first hand, from employees of every age (60-, 40-, and 20-year olds). When they started working they needed the register to tell them what change to return.

I had to train them to make change without the computer by starting with the sale amount and adding to that number while they took change out of the drawer, until they reached the amount the customer had given them. It's a simple method that always works (though sometimes you get excess small change or bills that need to be combined to make bigger denominations).

In general, after a day or two they were capable of making change on their own.

Getting them to orient all the bills in the drawer the same way was a more challenging task actually, which often required a month or two of constant reminding before they did it without thinking.

My siblings and I, by the age of 10, could make change. Our family played Monopoly and we kids took turns being the banker at the direction of our parents. Our Mother made sure that we knew how to make proper change, using the same method I taught my employees. I jokingly referred to it as "The Monopoly Method" for making change.

Most folks have never had the need to figure out how to make change, so it's not a skill they have developed. Almost all of them can be taught however.

@Bluto, I too used to enjoy seeing the deer-in-the-headlights stare when complex change needed to be made (try giving them an amount where the change is $5.25), but more than anything else, it only serves to show that people have become entirely too dependent on having a machine do their work for them.

I see similar things happen in Engineering all the time. Younger engineers are taught how to feed problems into a computer program to get "the answer". Most of the time they have no idea if the program inputs are violating some basic engineering assumption that the programs presumes which might invalidate the answer. You get the same deer-in-the-headlights stare when you tell them you don't believe what the computer says.

Still, this kind of thing is nothing new either. Back when I started working, the older engineers would send the new guy off to bring back a 1 farad capacitor from the supply shop, just to see if they would realize what that meant and have a good laugh when they came back empty handed (of course the parts guys were in on it too). Some things are learned as you gain experience, in almost every line of work.




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@Ingar
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Public disapproval of the Biden administrations attempts to further undermine the first amendment with the implementation of the misinformation bureau failed because enough of the public saw it for what it was and began to ridicule it.


Yes. And if we had a Congress that actually fulfilled their oaths this evil oaf of a President and his VP ***** should have been immediately impeached if not imprisoned.

"Common Sense" is a pejorative term used by these mental misfits to disparage other people that refuse their insanity. They delude themselves into believing they have the high ground. It has nothing to do with common sense but more to do with intimidation and name calling aka "You are stupid if you don't agree with me."

Common sense was mentioned in a requiem some time back.

https://www.scross.co.za/2009/04/requiem....



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Jpg
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Edward.Fish wrote..
@Kwwilson -- Let's translate this into time-per-item; something that makes it easy to illustrate the differences between then and now:
* $20/hr for a 10 hr day of "unskilled labor" --> $200

In the summer of 1969 I had a job cleaning-up the scrap lumber and other construction debris around newly-built houses.

With one hour's pay, I could buy eight gallons of gasoline. Income tax/FICA were negligible.

In the intervening half-century, I have been involved generally in various aspects of development of software for aircraft instruments.

I can now, with one hour's pay (after taxes), buy eight gallons of gasoline.

Came to that realization yesterday.

Was not pleased.
Olddad
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@edward.fish - I didn't say YOUR degree was worthless, but you're defending an entire generation in your post above. Yet, you're the one who made the comparison saying you can't buy a home, have a nice car or start a family on $55k. Look around, plenty of people do it every day. Maybe your standard of living just isn't what you WISH it to be, but the world don't give a **** about your feelz.

Re: Who did you blame? You blame everyone but yourself (albeit as a generalization, that you be you and your generation). You REALLY think you're the first to suffer from what you think is hard times? **** you dude, don't respond to me and I won't respond to you. Have a nice life.
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@Tony the Tiger:
I'd likely have gone somewhere like Best Buy and bought a 1F out of their car stereo department on the company credit card.
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In the summer of 1969 I had a job cleaning-up the scrap lumber and other construction debris around newly-built houses.
With one hour's pay, I could buy eight gallons of gasoline. Income tax/FICA were negligible.
In the intervening half-century, I have been involved generally in various aspects of development of software for aircraft instruments.
I can now, with one hour's pay (after taxes), buy eight gallons of gasoline.
Came to that realization yesterday.
Was not pleased.

@Jpg -- And that's with all your experience and raises!

That's the kick-in-the-balls I'm getting at.
Sonoran_monk
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Just take a look at the divergence in the plots of median house sale prices in the US vs median household income. Yeah, people are obviously still buying homes, but it hasn't gotten any easier.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=QcU....
Kolya02
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@Old Man, before dishing out ****s, consider this.

if you aren't too chafed from up their on your high horse, care to explain how your theory of individual resourcefulness amidst generational theft nullifying the economic turd you passed on to your successors squares with the cultural turd YOUR generation saddled (and ultimately has begun to destroy) America with?
Even if YOU successfully avoided and individually condemned (LGBT in schools, gay marriage, H1B1, the creation of "Winter Holidays" in place of Christmas, gender fluidity theory, exalting single motherhood and promiscuous premarital sex, calling unconditional laws [gun] "control," etc., etc.), YOU were individually cowardly, indifferent, or unprescient enough to allow those to talk hold and shrink the Overton Window.

It would have been better to ditch the USA and start anew and raise a family somewhere else, than to turn a blind eye to the seeding of all that cultural rot!

So, yeah, not buying your BS, who cares whether you[r generation] would be faring better now, because you're not lazy and spoiled with an expected/demanded high standard of living like Millennials? What's relevant here is that the Americans who were adults in the 60s-90s simply liked the financial change$ being imposed enough to ignore their obvious future consequences. Essentially, for "them" America was becoming simply a Free Economic Zone rather than a country, and just like with our elite cabal, y'all were perfectly fine with that since it wa$ working in your favor, too.
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Still off-topic

@Bluto

Any thoughts on any of the Supreme Court opinions today?

More opinions are expected on Wednesday.
Bluto
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@Freewill I didn't see any big decisions today. I would be very surprised if they issue their biggest decisions prior to the week of June 27th.


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Kolya02
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I see the downvotes.

I know it's not pleasant to hear, but I'd rather hear alternative explanations for how our society got so absolutely crazy, rather than hear how the regulars here don't LIKE being told about the role they played in allowing it to get so crazy.

The Russians can at least document how Nuland and the other DoS crazies interfered in Ukraine's affairs, but if it was just domestic interests dropping these cultural turds on us, than we've only got OURSELVES to blame, right?


....all enemies, foreign AND domestic!
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@Kolya02

I think the part you miss is that you assume NOTHING has been done to prevent or counter where we are today. Many folks have fought the good fight (even voted, back when we thought it meant something, but I digress). Youre looking at the current state of affairs and blaming everyone. Everyone didnt let it happen but everyone pays the price for it. There is such a thing as being in a minorityno matter how hard you fight, you have a tendency to lose.

The deeper issue is that short term thinking tends to have much more immediate gratificationuntil it doesnt it. Most folks dont look past their next pay check or vacation.
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@Kolya02

Well first off, blaming someone else for your problems, well is a problem.

You want to change whats going on, the get the **** out there and change it.

Yeah I'm a boomer, the one who ****ed it all up, BUT I DID NOTHING TO GUIDE THE SHIP.

I've been called a rebel, because I ****ing can't stand authoritative *******s.


If I had the resources the world would be a different place, maybe you would approve maybe not, but that's your ****ING problem.

I'm ****ING tired of the blame game that's going on here.

So all of you with the blame game, my advice, pull your panties up and get busy.

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