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2022-05-22 08:04 by Karl Denninger
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A runner is dead after collapsing at the finish line of the annual Brooklyn Half Marathon Saturday, authorities said. 

The 30-year-old runner, who was not identified, was crossing the finish line and collapsed. FDNY spokesperson Frank Dwyer told The Associated Press the runner was transported to a nearby hospital and pronounced dead.  

Or maybe not.

Let's dispense with the obvious: Yes, people do die at these events.  Not all the time, but it does happen.

The weather was reportedly brutally hot on a comparative basis, and from what I can tell the skies were clear -- so add the sun to that, and that's not a small factor. Six other runners got in trouble and wound up in the hospital at original report but there are multiple reports that the number was much higher.

I'm only half-crazy so I limit my running stupidity to 13.1 miles and have done several of them, with the last being Yellowstone last year and one in front of me in a few weeks. If you didn't train for it in the heat (and who did given this time of year?) then getting hammered on race day is a not-nice situation.  Getting behind the curve with hydration and/or electrolytes can result in serious trouble.

But what's missing was what were the conditions on the course at the time the runner collapsed?  Yes, it was hot later in the day but how about when he was running and had the event?  This is a very large event so the starts are staggered, but someone in reasonable (but by no means "competitive" in a field of that size) physical condition will finish a half marathon in somewhere around 2 hours and in a "competitive entry" event (depending on the field size) I'll bet the cutoff is between 1:30-1:45 depending on age.  If you started with the temperature in the lower 60s and when you finished it was in the mid 70s that's a world apart of starting with it in the upper 70s and finishing when its 90F out in full sun!  In point of fact about 2 weeks ago I did a training run for my upcoming half that was over 10 miles and started with 72F temperatures -- in full sun, running on a sidewalk with zero tree cover.  It was 80ish by the time I finished over an hour later and while it did suck it wasn't life-threatening.

Update: There is a comment below that CNN reported he was found collapsed at 9:00 AM, so that means he started with the early groupings, it was in the low-to-mid 70s at the finish when he collapsed and it was not dangerously hot at that time.  The media is lying trying to lay this off on the weather alluding to it being smoking hot (which it was later on) at the time.  Those media folks running that bullshit should be disassembled for doing so.  60ish is nearly perfect running weather and low to mid 70s, while a bit uncomfortable, aren't inherently dangerous.

Note that the sponsoring organization, New York Road Runners, required you be jabbed to compete and prove it, which is wild-eyed stupid since all such races happen outdoors.  Even if you believe the jabs work and are safe there is zero argument for such a requirement outside of flat coercion and if this guy collapsed and died due to cardiac damage from the jabs the organization should be destroyed with every one of its board members and employees, along with their families, financially and personally ruined.

Who wants to bet on them shaving what should be a mandatory autopsy to find the root cause of this gentleman's collapse given that if indeed there's evidence of clotting dysfunction or myocarditis from the jab that left him with an impaired cardiac state you certainly should be able to find it.  There's no means to force public release of course and I suspect his family will be just as interested in not bringing that forward, if in fact that's what happened, as is Fauci, Biden and the executives from Moderna and Pfizer.

I will say this however, given what we know about the apparent very significant increase in these type of events since the jabs rolled out -- but not prior to that, from Covid itself: If you are involved in sustained and serious cardio exercise events, especially events like distance running, and got jabbed (no matter how many times and how young and apparently-healthy you are) you'd be very wise to go have a full cardiac workup done -- right now.

I'll wager that a very significant percentage of the people who took these jabs got some level of cardio-pulmonary damage from them and that you haven't "noticed" doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Plenty of people have heart attacks with no prior warning so if you think it can't happen to you...... yes it can.

If you find something you don't like in that work-up there's probably nothing you can do about it except to cease participating in those sorts of events.  It sucks to have to give up something you love but there's a price to our actions and this may well be yours.

It sucks worse, I remind you, to be dead.

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Let's look at the good news though. He finished! His last race will not have a DNF on it. I hope it was worth it.
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Imagine, people healthy and fit enough to run half marathons taking an experimental drug for a virus with a 99.7% survival rate for the general population.
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

There is enough information and data in the public realm, along with some plain common sense, to know the jabs cause cardiac issues. Corporate and government attempts to hide the info/data only prove the seriousness of the issues.

So what is a distance runner most concerned with besides hydration and quality running shoes? Many wear Fitbits and Apple watches for good reasons. As a runner, if you are already concerned with your heart when running - first - why would you take experimental clot shots if you want to continue to run? Second - if you did anyway for a variety of reasons you justify in your minimal brain capacity head, why would you continue to distance run unless you want to die or be seriously injured?

As a result - no sympathy from me except for your families and co-workers who go screwed by your stupidity.
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@Tradbait - Yep on the data. I wear a Garmin. The primary value for me in distance running is that it (along with a chest strap) can determine your lactate threshold. Its not as accurate as a lab test on a treadmill for sure, but its close enough and unless you're in the elite category you're not spending the rather-considerable money on the lab version a couple of weeks before your event.

Knowing where that is in terms of heart rate makes distance events a matter of remaining at or below it, whatever performance (in terms of speed) that translates into and you've got it front-and-center during your run on your wrist. Get into oxygen debt on a longer race and you're fucked as you will be forced to stop, and once you do that it will not come back off for a half-hour or so of rest, so if you make that error your time is ruined for that event since backing off while continuing to run will not clear it. At best you're doing a "run/walk" for the remainder of the distance. I HAVE made that mistake ("oh I can push through this") and I've paid for it too.

While an Apple watch (and I believe fitbit as well) gives you heart rate (optically) determining the lactate threshold requires sensitivity that nobody's manage to make work I'm aware of off the optical sensors. Thus, chest strap and a device that can detect it is required (many modern Garmin devices can.)

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They read different sources, worship Fauci, and it would not surprise me if some were masked. They believe in the vacks, believe anything contrary is "mis/dis/mal information" Press has done a remarkable job of discrediting even the once most credible of scientists and virologists and suppressing evidence that induces any doubts. According to CNN, this runner was found collapsed at the finish line at 9AM, "attended to," and pronounced dead at hospital at 9:44. Temps in 60's and 70's, humidity upper 90 percentages.
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Sure does seem to be a lot of pro athletes dying the last year or so. I would think sooner or later someone would start asking questions and pointing fingers at the very least.
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And the countdown to having monkeypox vaccines shoved down our throats starts in 3... 2... 1...
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Since everyone had to be vexxed, I wonder how the average time - say for each age group - was compared to pre-vexxed era?

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According to CNN, this runner was found collapsed at the finish line at 9AM, "attended to," and pronounced dead at hospital at 9:44. Temps in 60's and 70's, humidity upper 90 percentages.

9:00 AM eh? So he started around 7:00 and it was nowhere near dangerously hot at the time he collapsed. Later, yeah, but not when it happened.

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Having been clinically dead during emergency surgery, I can subjectively confirm the last line of this post.
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Greg Hunter has a knowledgeable guest on precisely this topic. I'd like to see Karl do another interview with Greg someday.

https://usawatchdog.com/

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Yesterday's Obits had two "died unexpectedly". One a lady at age 55 who was a registered nurse in Columbus, Ohio. My guess she was jabbed. Picture in paper was of a healthy, attractive female. Nothing on the other gent aged 45. I do not doubt that the jab is causing some of this.

What it I am trying to figure out is how much of this dying is jab related and what was normal. About five years ago a prominent chiropractor who was a well know fitness guy who ran marathons expired at age 50 or so while running a race. So these things occurred before the vax.

Also trying to sort out when does an event like a heart attack get attributed to the jab but later does not. Having taken the two Moderna shots say I have a heart attack tomorrow. Being 62 and in decent shape (can regularly do 45 - 60 mins on a cross trainer at medium resistance) we could probably say that it was jab related. But 10 years from now? 20 years? Also full disclosure that I am a little heavy and have never smoked, barely drink and very active with little family history of heart issues before 85.
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Temps in 60's and 70's, humidity upper 90 percentages.


90% humidity sucks. Comfort and discomfort is more about dewpoint than temperature. Wind matters too.

But at least he was jabbed. Just think about how much worse it would have been if he wasn't....

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@Greenacr - If autopsies are done it frequently will be quite evident. Latent CAD is usually pretty obvious on autopsy. Yes, people do drop dead during these events, and that's a big part of why -- CAD is often asymptomatic right up until it isn't and occlusive heart attacks are nasty for that reason.

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@Bluto - Well gee considering that I lived on the Florida Gulf Coast for 20 years and ran plenty of halfs there..... gee, what do you think the humidity usually is there? Uh huh.

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This reminds me when Hillary collapsed and was thrown into her van like a side of beef in NYC.

The media said it was sweltering hot and of course....it was mild. The media went into full spin cycle.

The temp at 0900 up in NY? Gimme a fucking break. It's not even that bad here in FL at that time.

This guy paid the price for following the herd. One less karen. Next.

On a side note...I am reading about the massive pilot shortage. You can't just shit out pilots. They take years to train and it costs a fortune. And pilots are generally not woke (often former military), and can infer what they did to themselves by getting jabbed, or saved themselves by quitting or retiring.

Awaiting on deck.....let's see how high the media dials up the fear porn for the monkey pox (also a diseases that appears to primarily affect the, let's just say "alternative" lifestyles".

But don't expect the media to tell you that either. We've seen this movie before in the 80s. Pure fiction.





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What is surprising is how this "took so long" to start appearing. Mentioned in the comments a long while back that i was expecting a disaster at the NYC Marathon, did not happen.

Was it that these are such elite athletes even at the amateur lever due to the length of the course that they had enough reserve capacity to handle the damage caused deficit?

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Was watching a local news segment on a local high school baseball team, Holmes County, who just won their state tournament.

Seems their star player, a senior, was unable to play due to...surgery in his arm for blood clots.

So strange.
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Dingleberry-On a side note...I am reading about the massive pilot shortage. You can't just shit out pilots. They take years to train and it costs a fortune. And pilots are generally not woke (often former military), and can infer what they did to themselves by getting jabbed, or saved themselves by quitting or retiring.

Fear not, my friend! Hope, which always springs eternal, is on its way:

https://newsone.com/3946524/how-to-save-....

Color me not enthusiastic. LaQueefah in the cockpit? No thanks. Think I'll be taking the train, automobile, or perhaps just hoofing it from here on out.

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Or maybe the first one or two jabs didn't do it, but the third? Oops, rolled a one.
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@Whitehat - These sort of events are ones you need to run some "X" time to qualify. I've never had the desire to do any of these "monster" events but know people who effort to gain those entries. It's not just a matter of entering some other half and running at a given time either; the course has to be certified acceptably to the sponsors, which means certain half marathons (for example) qualify and others do not.

Boston is one of these; to enter you must (1) run a marathon that is acceptably certified to them (USATF or AIMS in the US) and (2) beat the minimum qualifying time for your age and sex bracket. THAT just gets you the ability to submit a registration; the actual qualifying time cut-off depends on the number of entries, and it is EXTREMELY common (almost always, in fact) that the cut-off time is materially SHORTER than the minimum qualifying time.

For example for me to submit to Boston I'd have to run a 3:35 marathon; my PR for a half is right around 1:45, so theoretically I could manage it with sufficient training, but barely-so. The problem is that "barely so" is likely to lead to me being bumped due to the number of entries.

Boston is particularly nasty in this regard in that last year nearly HALF again as many people as ran (20,000 field size) submitted at or under the qualifying minimum AND WERE BUMPED. Even prior to the pandemic (where the full 30,000 field time was permitted) it was not uncommon for 1/5th to 1/6th of the submitted registrations to be bumped off.

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My old company has had 2 late 30's workers suck a valve the last 90 days. Knew them both and knew they had the Jabbajab. Both were overweight and probably pre-diabetic if not full-blown TY 2. Company was going full tilt boogie getting everyone jabbed, ESG and woke. Less than 100 employees' company wide. Both were mid-level management. High school and college athletes who set down at a desk a few years ago when they got promoted out of the field.

A lot of the contractors working for the company are, umm...first generation immigrants? They bought into the Jabbajab for some reason. They have a lot of pretty healthy hombres taking a lot of sick days the last year.

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