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N9lhm
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Incept: 2010-01-28

South Bend, IN
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Remember the cards that the hospitals and OBs handed out to each new mother that had the recipe for homemade formula? It was water, Karo syrup, and evaporated condensed milk. I was raised on it and turned out just fine. Of course the government is warning not to use homemade formula because it can harm your baby............ right.......... millions of us boomers grew up on it.

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Andrew
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As the saying goes, "tossing myself under the bus."

When my boy was born, his Donor Uterus tried nursing at least once and decided formula was easier and less time consuming.
As it was, 6 weeks later she was gone and I'd applied for "emergency custody", but my boy already was "on the formula". I, uh, couldn't nurse him personally.
(If I'd realized what a dumpster fire was brewing I might've tried to find a Wet Nurse, hindsight with 20/20 vision and whatnot) He's almost 13 now, so I have no dog in this fight, just watching from afar. I will note, that locally, due to theft, most shops had locked up the formula and one had to get an employee with the key. I hadn't looked recently but I imagine there's nothing in the lockers.


But as of today, tossing anvils onto the house of cards that the "Justin Time" supply chains for the last 2 years is going to cause problems for a while.
My boy is almost 13, now, so thankfully I have no "formula" problems, and while I do feel for the women who legit can't nurse...I bet a bunch of them could've and decided it was time consuming and formula is easy, and now they're "SOL".

And, absolutely if there's a shortage, "citizens" should be first in line, but you can see where the priorities lie.
Mjeff87
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Incept: 2021-11-22

Richmond, VA
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My working life is supply chain management. Inside word on the street is that Love's and Pilot are announcing upcoming diesel shortages in the mid-Atlantic and northeast. ****'s about to get (more) real. The irony of this affecting mostly blue states is not lost on me.


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Gianmarko
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Bern, Switzerland
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and not even sure all this mess can be explained with just incompetence and arrogance.

regarding baby formula. i think the widespread adoption of C section is also a factor. my second born was delivered with c section, therefore my wife still didnt have enough milk, we waited 3 days but then the little one was way too hungry and losing weight and we had to go to formula. and once babies try the bottle, they never go back, its way easier.
Flappingeagle
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A wise man named Aquapura once said:
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Small price to pay for insurance in case something went wrong


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Here are my predictions for everyone to see:
S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
No sign that housing, equities, or farmland are in a bubble- Yellen 11/14/13
Trying to leave the Rat Race to the rats...
Xqqme
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Gulf coast refineries shipping Diesel to Europe and Latin America as its more profitable.
Diesel being trucked from Ohio to East coast by trucks using diesel.

The Dumb Masses will soon be screaming for somebody to do something. Thats what theyre waiting for.
(Putting in another 5000 gallon tank for diesel. JIC)
Flappingeagle
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Re: Oil prices, the economy, and the stock market.

IIRC, oil prices went steadily up in the 2007-2008 time frame. As I recall, prices were very high in late summer 2008.

The market cratered in Jan/Feb 2009, around 6 months after oil and gas got really high. If you start the clock at April 1, 6 months is Oct 1.

Just saying,

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Here are my predictions for everyone to see:
S&P 500 at 320, DOW at 2200, Gold $300/oz, and Corn $2/bu.
No sign that housing, equities, or farmland are in a bubble- Yellen 11/14/13
Trying to leave the Rat Race to the rats...
Tickerguy
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Yep @Xqqme - That's what price DOES.

If I can get $7/gal for it there and $5 here where do you think its going?

Well?

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Skybluepink
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What is it with humans? I mean what ARE we? These mass delusions continue to sweep through, even though the people who fall for them have read of previous ones in their history books. The masses believe that the previous generations must have been dumber or something, and that those things could never happen again. Meanwhile, the mother of all delusions has taken over the world for the past two years.

Look at smoking. How many years did it take for it to be acknowledged that it wasn't healthy? People could see their damn ceilings turning yellow, but wouldn't believe it might be bad for their lungs. Formula is better than breast milk, shots are better than immune systems, engineered fat is better than butter, the list goes on. I personally fell for the low fat bull****, but I was a teenager at the time. It's still no excuse. At the time I was taking biology, and learned that cell membranes were made of lipids. So every single cell needs lipids, but we shouldn't eat any because it will made you fat and give you heart disease. Mmmkay.
Bzelbob
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Jacksonville
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@Aquapura,
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Far too many in this nation have blind trust in the system to always work.

This^^^; it is the root of so many problems.

I see all the fine comments about baby formula and If I recall correctly, infants only need formula for about a year. (Someone please correct me if I've got that wrong.)
So in theory, parents could easily stock up on a year's worth if they had made the decision beforehand.
Or they could have figured out how to make their own instead.

Especially after this multi-year flu fiasco we've all been living through; why in the *@&#^@#^!! would anyone trust the goobermint with anything important???

Seriously...smiley


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Quik49
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They dont want you using homemade formula, go figure...you mean just like ivermectin?

What is it they want?

You dead....and your children

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Gianmarko
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Bern, Switzerland
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"If I can get $7/gal"
whish i could get it so cheap...

regarding the abbott fiasco
the current industrial model has no robustness and no redundancy. reminds me of some IT systems i work with. seems that the current strategy is to hope and pray.
decades of cost cutting, long supply lines, just-in-time models, the never ending search for the ****tiest place where to outsurce vital operations, any disturbance will cause a domino effect. lot has been written about this.

a large IT company i know just recently opened a large operation in ukraine. who could have thought a war would have started there...

we are in the hands of people who built careers using narcissism and sociopathy as main assets.

i think what we are seeing is just the beginning.
Redjack
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On the farm thing

I grew up in the 80's, at the end of what we all romantically call the family farm.

We had a very diverse range of animals and crops. Oats bad this year? Well hope the corn is good. Chickens not laying? That's ok, the cows have milk.

It all started going doing hill when the big packers and processors stopped accepting the small loads. I remember driving with Dad to the stock yards with 10 hogs. Now, if you have less than a semi trailer (or three) they will not take your animals. Same with all crops.

So you end up with one guy producing one or two crops, and that is it. Great when things are ok, but ask the giant chicken farms how it is going now.

If you can find them.
Gordonshandling
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In 2015/2016 there has been a lot of hoarding in Europe of baby formula by Chinese people. The baby formula was being sent to relatives in China. This was the result of baby formula scandals in China (multiple deaths due to melamine). Production had to be increased to fullfill all the demand. It is a long time ago, looks like that the situation in the USA is a bit more severe.
Lizardqueen
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@skybluepink: Normalcy bias and excess trust in authorities, and a severe lack of critical thinking, IMO.

Normalcy bias: The belief that just because something is currently happening it will always continue to happen that way (like instant availability of food). Or that because it hasn't happened to them yet (like lung cancer from smoking) that it won't ever happen to them.
I think this is probably a somewhat normal primitive survival instinct as excess focus on what isn't currently happening probably impaired the ability to deal with the present environment. But it clearly has potential for backfiring, bigly, when there is a major change or a catastrophe.

Trust in authorities: Most of us were raised to respect authority and believe that those in govt were there for "public service" as constantly reiterated. It takes effort and independent thinking to get over that early conditioning, especially in a way that makes you continue to be a decent law-abiding citizen yet still be suspicious of those making and enforcing the laws.

Critical thinking: Is actually conditioned out of most people in the schools as those who do it are too much trouble for the factory farm model of public school and get punished for it.
History is also not taught in any more than a cursory manner : i.e. taught as "these people revolted in MMDDYYYY" and not "the root causes of why these people revolted, and similar indicators in current society that mirror what happened back then".

So what you get from these 3 factors are a "fat, dumb and happy" population who can't conceive of life in any other form other than what they currently know, who don't believe the authorities could be malignant, and who from an early age have been trained out of thinking for themselves.

What is likely coming is going to be an immense surprise to many.

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Abelardlindsey
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In other news, Musk is putting his bid to buy Twitter on hold while his team does more due diligence. Due diligence in this case means determining how many of Twitter's 600 million user accounts are fake. The existing Twitter executives claim less than 5% are. But Musk believes, as do many others incluing moi, think its a lot higher. If Musk can prove they are selling him a lemon, he can sue and knock the acquisition price down say, 50%. This will wipe out all of the existing shareholders.

Given that so much of the internet space, and social media in particular, is fake, I would be surprised if the number of fake user accounts on Twitter is far higher than 5%. I read on Vox Day's blog about 5-7 years ago that one consumer company" CEO did an audit of their internet advertising on Google and found that only 20 of the more than a thousand words used in AdWords was generating clicks to the company website. All 20 of these words were either the company's name or misspellings of the company's name. There have been other indications that much of internet advertising is either ineffectual or simply faked.

I think Musk is going to open a massive can of worms with this.

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Snowgirl
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Upstate NY
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Due to medical issues I was unable to nurse my 3 children. I cannot begin to tell you the guilt I felt not providing my own breast milk. I knew that nursing was far superior to formula but that option was not available to me. I was the only one of my friends not breast feeding and I felt like I always had to explain why. This was in the1990s and the saying "breast is best" was definitely pushed by pediatricians.
Traelin0
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Notleftjeff wrote..
Why aren't parents particularly women marching in mass to DC and their state capitals threatening to burn them down if this is not fixed immediately? @wishiunderstood, I think there was an article in the NYT that said feeding infants homemade formula was a bad idea. Good grief, these people want babies to die?

If they aren't willing to sacrifice themselves for their kids, they surely won't sacrifice for their neighbors or fellow citizens. Hence my entire line of thinking in Karl's previous post about expatriation. By their deeds ye shall know them.
Dingleberry
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My very first vote was for Perot. I did not vote for decades since him. Was Perot nuts? Probably. But as a youngster, I already knew both parties were on the take to offshore workers, or import wage slaves. Repubs get the labor. The dems get the votes. Both get the payoffs.

Clinton and Obama (supposedly for da unionz) anally raped the average worker with NAFTA, WTO, and TPP deals or similar. Brandon just did it with Keystone and other nonsense. The green scam will finish off what's left of our economy that the bad trade deals did not.

This was the reason my second vote was for Trump. Not that he was perfect or someone I wanted to have a beer with, but because he ran on a border wall (it was being built....despite insane amounts of gov resistance) and at least acknowledge the trade deals which were ripping us all off. Any of you recall another legit presidential candidate doing that?

No, you don't.

Would Trump have fixed it? I dunno. All I can do is vote and hope for the best. Like the rest of you.

Now we have Brandon and globalism. The voters have spoken. The millennials, the future of our nation, actually prefer it. Ok. Now they get to deal with it.

Does anyone else find it strange that humanity survived for countless millennia on breastfeeding....and animals still do so in the wild......and yet we now need fake booby food?

Welp, vast majority of young women of breeding age voted for open borders and free **** for everyone (i.e. marxist dems).......they can share their infant formula with the entire third world.

It's fo da chillrens.

No sympathy here. **** them all.
Diogenes_17
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Incept: 2021-02-15

Georgia
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Mothers in our subdivision's social media group are losing their minds over the inability to find formula locally.

These are the same mothers who were proudly posting their "I Got My ***** *******, Let's Do This" profile pics last year.

I feel for the little ones. The mamas...not so much. Cognitive dissonance continues. It's all Putin's fault, dontcha know?
Voyager
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@Skybluepink People knew smoking caused lung cancer. I mean The Idiot (1868) has a funny aside where one of the guys is complaining that his doctor keeps trying to get him to stop smoking, because it will cause "canker of the lungs". He figured, he was going to die of something anyways, so why get all wrapped up about that one?

Everyone knew it, at least until gov't and big business spent a ton of money on "experts" to tell everyone otherwise, then on suing each other over it.
Ocdawg
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Incept: 2019-03-14

Let's go Brandon, WI
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@ Gianmarko
"... reminds me of some IT systems i work with. seems that the current strategy is to hope and pray.
decades of cost cutting, long supply lines, just-in-time models..."

Big +1

We don't have a single customer over $500m having HUGE supply-chain issues and expecting a few consultants can fix DECADES of the above (+ post-***** world) in a couple weeks

Then we sit down and explain reality (cost + time + access to resources) ... next reaction=

[****storm]

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Nomullet
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'Just in time' and economy of scale has been the corporate mantra of the last 30 years. It destroys the resilience of the system to score a few pennies.

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Tdurden
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Here is where I heap tons of hate on the MBA's again. In service of the goal of "unlocking shareholder value" those *******s have traded ALL of societies resilience for efficiency. As an engineer, I get efficiency. It's a beautiful thing. So is the ability to survive production problems so that your customers who are depending on you don't end up suffering or possibly even dead. All of this done with the end goal of screwing their employees and customers so the executives could stuff piles of cash into their bank accounts. Laws be damned. Laws are for little people and those who can't afford to bribe politicians and their family members.

Make plans to survive this, because it's not getting fixed. The stupid ****ing amerikan people will see to that. They only get mad at whoever the television tells them to get made at. And the television is programmed by the people profiting from all of this.

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Andrew
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@Abelardlindsey, I'd imagine a bunch of ZuckerBorg's accounts are fake, seeing as how folk get a "Ban" then make up a new one to get back in.

While its claimed "oh those aren't allowed", figure Zucc's folk aren't too diligent because it inflates numbers by a bit if everyone has 2, 3, or 8 alternates.
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