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2021-11-14 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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And now, the rest of the story.

This study is a bit dense -- but has been peer-reviewed, and makes clear that indeed, what I hypothesized was true -- and had to be, given the circumstances with Diamond Princess and elsewhere, in fact validates by scientific fact.

In summary, RTC regions like polymerase, expressed in the first stage of the viral life cycle, are highly conserved among HCoV and are preferentially targeted by T-cells in pre-pandemic and SN-HCW samples. A subset of T-cells from donors able to abort infection could cross-recognise SARS-CoV-2 and HCoV sequences at individual RTC epitopes, pointing to prior infection with HCoV as one source of pre-existing cross-reactive T-cells. 

"SN-HCW" are health-care workers who were repeatedly exposed and while they did not get sick or seroconvert "(SeroNegative)" showed very rapid response to Covid-19 from cross-reaction as a result of other coronavirus exposures.

Remember that Diamond Princess only had about 20% of the population on board that got sick despite all of them being confined together over an extended period, and even more-telling, there were multiple instances where one member of a cabin pair (husband and wife, usually) got seriously ill while the other did not only not get ill they did not test positive either.  This also occurred among a couple I know early in the pandemic; one (the husband) was killed by the virus, the other (the wife) never got sick.

What's even more damning is that by May of this year about 20% of the population, according to a NEJM study that I wrote on, had seroconverted.  This strongly implies that statistically everyone who could get Covid-19 and have a serious problem with already had done so.

So how is that we had a "surge" this summer and continue to see infections this fall?

It can't happen if there are no susceptible people.

But it is.

So there are susceptible people.

How did they become susceptible when they weren't before in any material size?

We jabbed them.

The CDC and hospitals do not count someone who gets Covid before 2 weeks after their last jab as "vaccinated."  So if you have a cycle of 28 days from first to second from the first jab to a period of time six weeks later if you get Covid-19 you're considered "unvaccinated."

Every place where we've had very high vaccination uptake as the uptake occurred we have seen material spikes in infection contemporary with the jabs, even out of regular season with normal respiratory viral patterns.


The reasonable hypothesis is that the jabs are destroying pre-existing resistance that formerly was sufficient to prevent significant, seroconverting infections in about 8 out of 10 people, but post-jab that resistance is suppressed either temporarily or permanently and thus they are able to get significantly infected.

Leaving aside the hazards (direct -- myocarditis, abnormal clotting, etc) of the jabs the data supports that there should have been no surge in infections this summer whatsoever as there simply was an insufficient cohort to support them, yet since it happened we created that cohort by an action we took.  Further, the worldwide data is that the surge occurred starting exactly when the widespread jabbing did in multiple nations and areas.

While this does not prove that the jabs have destroyed existing cross-immunity it very strongly points at it.

Note that for someone who is cross-immune being vaccinated confers no benefit yet is dangerous both to the individual and others in that if existing cross-immunity is destroyed you can not only now be infected where before you could not you can screw others as well.

If you're a health care or "public health" so-called professional who "urged" people (or worse, got involved in mandating people) to get jabbed the evidence is that is likely you directly caused the wave of disease and death this summer.  If you think I will ever forgive you for that you can go **** yourself with a rusty chainsaw; your best and highest contribution to society given what you've done and the impact you've had on mortality and morbidity would be to commit seppuku on television.  I will never forgive or forget what you've done nor will I ever forgive or forget anyone who supported you and the drive to screw others, which the evidence shows is exactly what happened, in any way.

Oh, for employers, especially in health care: You ****ed yourselves.  Your "vaccinated" staff, which you insisted on, is likely to now be 100% susceptible which means they're screwed where before they were safe. If that immune damage is not Covid-19 specific, and it may not be, then they're really screwed and so are you.  Every single employer who pushed or mandated these jabs deserves a date with Mr. Hands and when you get it I will cheer.  Loudly.

Final point to parents: If you jab your healthy kid(s) you're materially increasing the risk of killing elderly members of your family because those kids likely are cross-immune and if you destroy that you turn someone who can't get infected and pass it to others into someone who can.  If you jab your healthy kids, in short, you're a murderous monster.

What we did was stupid, in short, and everyone involved in it, given the evidence we had all the way back to Diamond Princess either knew it or should have known it.  Everyone involved in pushing this bull**** on a mass-basis should hang for it as they have produced the summer surge and now, coming into winter, a quite-possible severe outbreak directly caused by the jabs.


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Science has a funny way of bringing the real facts into focus ... eventually.

Keep the pedal to the metal TG. The Truth will out.

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TG said:
Everyone involved in pushing this bull**** on a mass-basis should hang for it

I do not think we will need to hang them, they have likely hanged themselves, except for a few at the top like Fauci and Gates, who know better than to take the jab. They will have to be hanged. smiley
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So if you're IGg negative after all this time be careful if your system gets weaker for some reason.

Yellow jackets come to mind

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Unfortunately Karl, you are right! I spent two weeks of my free time studying everything about the Diamond Princess (for the express purpose of measuring the risks), and came away with the same conclusion. When I told the people at the company I worked for (I no longer do), they had the equivalent of "blank stares"!
(Some people who stand on the train tracks, and cannot hear, face the wrong direction. There is no point saving them).

I recently procured two "Dr. Zalenko protocols". (Just the past week). I went to great pains and a significant journey to get them through a relative in a foreign country who is a licensed Medical Doctor. I offered them up (two full protocols with a comprehensive array of antibiotics ... to deal with "specific secondary infections that could arise" to my extended family .... all I heard was the chirps of crickets. I have decided that my focus shall be to "focus on only my heirs".

I am a religious person, I have cleared my conscious (at least my maker knows that I did my best). Let the pieces fall where they may. I have been told that it is a curse (at times) to be the smartest person in the room. In my humble case, I think I am in the room alone. (I think you may be as well). I thank you for all your efforts guiding people to the truth. May God help us all. This is certainly insanity of biblical proportions. Time to bury the dead. (My own mother was given both courses of jabs, despite having been tested for exposure to the Covid -19 test, and having immunity established. My lawyer brother managing mom's care, agreed to getting her vaccinated. I can no longer talk with him about "higher level" thinking. I doubt that he will ever question his actions. For my own sanity, I cannot talk about it. I think Charles Darwin may have been correct, that evolution eventually culls out the weak (and unintelligent). Ignorance is truly bliss. Three steps backward. Protect your offspring. (At least my offspring knows I did my best to save what family I could. I'm hopeful that my maker will interpret my actions in this light as well. I now think that I have a "glimpse" into what our creator must deal with. Live and let die,

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I think we're going to hit the wall at full speed. The brakes don't work. The driver doesn't even see the wall. This is going to be really bad.
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This can be the only explanation for the 'case' rates we have seen here in the UK this summer. My colleagues have all come down with various bugs since being vaccinated too - but don't worry, their LFTs come back negative for covid so all is fine.
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@tickerguy, why is India not seeing the surge in Covid infections though since June 2021 India administered over 100 crore (1000 mil) doses of Covishield vaccine? Do you think there is a lag? and we see the surge over next few months?
Not it is probably lowest in several months.
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Yep... a few weeks ago I told my wife to stock up on 3 or 4 months worth of cheese, good cheese, TP, butter, etc. We have our own meat. I said good chance the crazy comes back.

She was astonishid to find out that stores are already out of tp...

We already have our Christmas presents.

Get ready, if we get another wave of the Fauci Wuflu the govts gonna go nuts
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"Seasonal coronavirusspecific B cells with limited SARS-CoV-2 cross-reactivity dominate the IgG response in severe COVID-19"
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One of my best friends was in town last night (going to Packers game today). Went to dinner.

He got the jab Thurs, in ER Friday with accelerated heart beat. Guy wears a DII Championship ring when he was middle linebacker. Former Navy. Guy was just not "right." He had to get it for work. I am VERY worried for my brother... we'd lay down our lives for the other without even thinking. He's tough and open... He's scared


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The fake vaccines are "too big to fail". Too many powerful people have staked their livelihoods and possibly their lives on them as "the only way to return to normal". History will reveal them as the charlatans they are, but I fear nothing short of revolution will stop them in the here and now. The grifter class will never back down, in fact they always reliably double down.
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I'll forgive them because it's not worth my time to stay angry. I won't forget and what little trust I had in them is forever gone...

They have chosen their path in this world and will have to live with that. Some will figure out their mistake, some won't. I don't wish suffering on them but I will probably laugh when I read their stories...

Oh, BTW, it's the Diamond Pitri Dish... 😁

The beatings shall continue until moral improves!

I don't wish anyone dead, but I will chuckle in amusement while reading some obituaries...

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As a constant lowlife all over Japan, regular to ROK, and occasional to PRC, in 2014 I contracted a severe and undiagnosed lung infection. In March 2020 I had a week afield in Manhattan. As panic grew I walked from 103r to 14th and took subways, buses, taxis, the glorious Metropolitan Museum of Art, restaurants. and Smalls, a jazz basement in the Village.

In short, I am totally on board with the Pareto Rule relative to the WuFLu. There is natural immunity. There is cross immunity, The degree of either such immunity is relative to age, individual condition, and habits in the wild (that environmental ecology we call reality).

You either believe you are in the 80% with relative degradation or accept that you are in the exposed 20%. If you have, however, assumed you are in a category that you are in fact not in, and consequently taken the jab, you have reneged or renounced or compromised your status. You are in a zone of re-habilitation where that habilitation is not one of your choosing.

We understand those who have in good faith made themselves pawns to re-habilitation.

We are under no obligation to trust your future postulates. In short, as pawns you have elected to play for the future success of the dynamic of your initial choosing, or, the failure of that dynamic as an apostate to the jab.

The definition of that choice, that is, in short, those who have taken the jab, or more particularly, those who wither take the THIRD or pressure children to do so, well, we ca consider you, in old fashioned terms...

...cannon fodder.
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**** yeah Karl. Spot on as always.

The whole world is one big ****ing scam
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Been lurking here for a while, avidly reading your COVID coverage and enjoying the Brandon Spirit. I really appreciate your work here, Tickerguy. I wish I'd been a little more aggressive with the IVM etc. as soon as I suspected I had the 'vid a couple months ago. I got pretty freaking sick. Not bad enough to go to the hospital but about as ill as I can remember being in my life. My wife and kids also got it but had an easier time of it than I did. I'm thanking God we have now earned our immunity the hard way, not the false way. All still pureblood and so we will remain.

Healthwise, wife and I seem to have recovered from the infection very well (kids of course are perfectly fine, barely got a fever and a sniffle), with the exception of our senses of smell. They are recovering, S L O W L Y, but still only a fraction of pre-infection acuity in both of our cases. Anyone have any info on ways to help this along? I pray it's not a permanent degradation.
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Thanks for summarizing this TG.

I got pretty sick with wu flu, symptoms for 2 weeks, and my spouse did not get sick at all despite being in close proximity the entire time. I recall the article you did on Diamond Princess, so I was not surprised.

The CDC makes the Fed look like amateurs with their massaging of the numbers and data. The goalposts have moved so far from their original claims......the goalposts have wheels, and the end zone has been completely removed.

Now the only metric that matters to them (and their fake news mouthpieces) is did a person die form wu flu, and only then if it is well past getting their jabs.

"Safe and effective" indeed.

I suspect that if the damage to natural immunity does not result in actual deaths (and lots of them), it will be covered up and minimized by the jabbist cult.

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My guess would be Ivermectin and hcq plus the other drugs in their protocol. Even a weakened immune system can be helped if the virus is attacked early. Add to that the fact that each family member also gets a goody bag sent home for them, that is a lot of prophylactic.
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I had read a study (somewhere,sorry have read too much to remember where it came from) that showed those jabbed "tested" positive for virus..

this video may provide a positive note..


Thank you I read this site everyday..however my New's Year Resolution is to cut back trying to figure this all out and just let it be.
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I received an email from Moderna this morning offering me a $50.00 gift card to complete a questionnaire..i didn't open it and it went to trash bin.
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From your linked study:

"Individuals with potential exposure to SARS-CoV-2 do not necessarily develop PCR or antibody positivity, suggesting some may clear sub-clinical infection before seroconversion. We hypothesised that pre-existing memory T-cell responses, with cross-protective potential against SARS-CoV-2411, would expand in vivo to support rapid viral control, aborting infection."

There's a virologist I've heard in an interview who claimed that the vaccines could be preventing T-cell response by making "sub-clinical infection before seroconversion" much more likely. He was primarily worried about vaccinating kids.

T-cell-inducing vaccines what's the future
Jan 2012


Although some highly effective antibody-inducing vaccines against viral and bacterial diseases are available, to protect against more complex pathogens it will be necessary to engage the other arm of the adaptive immune system; T cells. In this review I will present an overview of the current research in this area with a particular emphasis on clinical research, highlighting the challenges and successes, and look towards the future to see where and how these vaccines might be deployed.
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Great article KD. I think it is going to be rough winter for those that took the clot shots. And, of course, they will try to blame the unvaxxed among here.

Looking at the data in Florida, the "rate" of case decline is nearing an inflection point, so I expect cases to be rising towards the end of the month. This will coincide with the uptake in clot shots by people who are "commanded" by their Nazi bosses to take the shots. In fact, the data already shows the curve bending the wrong way in a correlation with the clot shot mandates.

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A buddy responded with this > T-cells in testing as long as there not infected I guess?

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@Uncephalized, it took me about 2 months before I was able to smell the only scent I was at a hurting loss for, COFFEE. I tried some remedies friends mentioned but I think only the passing of time worked.
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Time to bury the dead.

I am even beyond that. "Let the dead bury their own dead". Who said that?

Jesus in Luke 9:59-60 "Then He said to another man, Follow Me. The man replied, Lord, first let me go and bury my father. .But Jesus told him, Let the dead bury their own dead. You, however, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.

You ain't going to hear that verse from all the phony fake so-called "Christian" pastors though.

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