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Jw.
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@Fdprefect

The republicans will fix this, really??

Name one Senate or Congress person who says this vaccine is harmful??


The republicans are just as on board this train as any other bloodsucker in DC. In fact they set all the language that the Biden admin hasn't changed.

One party lays the foundation for tyranny, the other builds more tyranny atop those foundations. Rinse and repeat over and over again. We get these two parties out of office and things may have a chance of changing, keep these two parties in power and the "strife" and "failures" (for us, they've been getting filthy rich) of the last forty years will continue unabated.
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Found it!

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/mode....

"Every drug has whats called a therapeutic window, the scientific sweet spot where a treatment is powerful enough to have an effect on a disease but not so strong as to put patients at too much risk. For mRNA, that has proved elusive."
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1. All three had to ramp up the vaccine production fast.
2. Moderna at least had problems with a Spanish production (contractor?) facility. In Japan they found pieces of metal and a lot of vaccines were trashed.
3. All kinds of weird crap (mostly junk) have been found from all three vaccines under electron microscope.

Conclusion: All three had serious QC problems and knew about them. Instead of abandoning the expensive but corrupted "hot" lots they redistributed them wide, far and slowly so it would more difficult to detect. It was a race to win TENS of BILLIONS of dollars after all so they all just got even greedier and nastier than usual.

Pfizer has paid fines over $5 billion since 2000 for all kinds of criminal violations in the US. Moderna was another Theranos in the makings with not even one product of their own before the Covid vaccine. It was do or die moment for them. So they were already dirty fuckers.

The other possible explanation is the "Evil Moriarty". Some super evil genius working through all three companies secretly but that would be something very very improbable.
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And Pfizer approved for kids...Cleveland Ohio making available tomorrow. Goodbye lovely children. I am appalled and so sorry your parents are murdering you through their ignorance

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Thegreatunwashed

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Pfizer & Moderna use nano particles to deliver fake mRNA into the cytoplasm. J&J uses fake DNA instead, which needs to enter the nucleus of the cell. The nano particles are destroyed in the cytolasm, so J&J delivers the fake DNA within an adenovirus, which is said to be harmless to humans.


Right, but both of those methods have to have the actual spike protein instructions "manufactured" and added to the delivery mechanism. Do the two different delivery mechanisms also use different mechanisms to create the payload instruction set?
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JW...people need to stop seeing republicans and democrats as two sides of same coin...they stand next to each other on same fucking team...saying opposite words to gather the masses the vote for same shit.

Omg...I am going there...

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I have a solution to this!

The US should establish federal agencies that oversee new therapeutics. They should require, monitor and evaluate product development, production and delivery at all phases, and require high number clinical trials in at least 3 phases. The should carefully approve or deny use based on long term testing.

I know that could take up to five years, but it's necessary...............................................................................

Especially for a disease that kills almost exclusively people at the end of their life span.

The fact that they are rolling it out to children is more than unconscionable.

At least Mengele had logistical and geographical limits.............
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My guess is that they are not reporting any more and not that lots have gotten better in terms of quality control.

Thanks for this analysis Gen.

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I find it most disturbing thst this phenomenon is showing up in all 3. It had to be a shared mfg issue.
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Drifter wrote..
For your reading pleasure-- it would take a heart of stone not to laugh... and weep.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/index....]


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Mosaik wrote..
This whole thing stinks now, and I don't think I trust anyone wielding a needle at this point.
OK, that's it. No more custom tailoring for YOU!
 
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I pulled the expiration status for the MRNA lots with lowest deaths counts:

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031l20a | 4 You Entered: 031L20A Expiration Date: Jul 22, 2021
003b21a | 4 You Entered: 003B21A Expiration Date: Sep 09, 2021
026a21a | 4 You Entered: 026A21A Expiration Date: Aug 26, 2021
041B21A | 4 You Entered: 041B21A Expiration Date: Oct 04, 2021
005C21A | 4 You Entered: 005C21A Expiration Date: Dec 22, 2021 Please store and handle properly. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine should be stored frozen between -50 to -15C (-58 to 5F). Please see the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) and Full EUA Prescribing Information for full Storage and Handling details. Thank you for using the Moderna Expiration Lookup Tool.
033C21A | 4 You Entered: 033C21A Expiration Date: Oct 27, 2021
035C21A | 4 You Entered: 035C21A Expiration Date: Dec 30, 2021 Please store and handle properly. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine should be stored frozen between -50 to -15C (-58 to 5F). Please see the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) and Full EUA Prescribing Information for full Storage and Handling details. Thank you for using the Moderna Expiration Lookup Tool.
021C21A | 4 You Entered: 021C21A Expiration Date: Dec 21, 2021 Please store and handle properly. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine should be stored frozen between -50 to -15C (-58 to 5F). Please see the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) and Full EUA Prescribing Information for full Storage and Handling details. Thank you for using the Moderna Expiration Lookup Tool.
040a21a | 4 You Entered: 040A21A Expiration Date: Aug 24, 2021
041C21A | 4 You Entered: 041C21A Expiration Date: Nov 01, 2021
006D21A | 4 You Entered: 006D21A Expiration Date: Nov 21, 2021 Please store and handle properly. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine should be stored frozen between -50 to -15C (-58 to 5F). Please see the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) and Full EUA Prescribing Information for full Storage and Handling details. Thank you for using the Moderna Expiration Lookup Tool.
022C21A | 4 You Entered: 022C21A Expiration Date: Dec 23, 2021 Please store and handle properly. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine should be stored frozen between -50 to -15C (-58 to 5F). Please see the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) and Full EUA Prescribing Information for full Storage and Handling details. Thank you for using the Moderna Expiration Lookup Tool.
037k20a | 4 You Entered: 037K20A Expiration Date: Jun 22, 2021
048C21A | 4 You Entered: 048C21A Expiration Date: Nov 09, 2021 Please store and handle properly. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine should be stored frozen between -50 to -15C (-58 to 5F). Please see the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) and Full EUA Prescribing Information for full Storage and Handling details. Thank you for using the Moderna Expiration Lookup Tool.
03M20A | 3 You Entered: 03M20A Sorry, that number does not exist.
008B212A | 3 You Entered: 008B212A Sorry, that number does not exist.
039k20a | 3 You Entered: 039K20A Expiration Date: Jun 20, 2021
024C21A | 3 You Entered: 024C21A Expiration Date: Dec 26, 2021
016m20a | 3 You Entered: 016M20A Expiration Date: May 02, 2021
038k20a | 3 You Entered: 038K20A Expiration Date: Jun 26, 2021
025b21a | 3 You Entered: 025B21A Expiration Date: Sep 19, 2021
033B21A | 3 You Entered: 033B21A Expiration Date: Nov 26, 2021 Please store and handle properly. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine should be stored frozen between -50 to -15C (-58 to 5F). Please see the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) and Full EUA Prescribing Information for full Storage and Handling details. Thank you for using the Moderna Expiration Lookup Tool.
026C21A | 3 You Entered: 026C21A Expiration Date: Oct 24, 2021
Moderna | 3 You Entered: MODERNA Sorry, that number does not exist.
033c21a | 3 You Entered: 033C21A Expiration Date: Oct 27, 2021
014C21A | 3 You Entered: 014C21A Expiration Date: Dec 16, 2021 Please store and handle properly. Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine should be stored frozen between -50 to -15C (-58 to 5F). Please see the Fact Sheet for Healthcare Providers Administering Vaccine (Vaccination Providers) and Full EUA Prescribing Information for full Storage and Handling details. Thank you for using the Moderna Expiration Lookup Tool.

The link for the implied fact sheet is here:
https://www.modernatx.com/covid19vaccine....


The lines containing "Please store and handle ..." are UNexpired lots. There are 8 out of last 26 lines of Karl's table with MRNA UNexpired lots with fewest deaths. The rest of 15 are expired while 3 lots# are invalid.

I don't see a clear pattern here. Comments?
Jpg
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sam6 wrote..

Assume
(1) some entity developed the covid virus as a bio-weapon..Thanks Fauci, NIH, Wuhan lab, etc.
(2) made more deadly viruses as kill shots. Wuhan lab, etc.
(3) made a vax to make sure that a subsequent exposure to the more virulent virus would induce an antibody response that would kill a vaxxed person.Pfizer, etc.

I believe that was the gist of "The West's Obituary".
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=2....
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No, READ THIS FOLKS:

This is a tolerance stack problem. I'll bet $10,000 on it.

It's also not controllable in a reasonably commercial environment given the sensitivity to it. THAT is why its happening.

That sort of problem produces exactly what you see. GM had it happen with their 5.3L engines in the early 2000s. I have a good one; the stack didn't get me. If you got a bad one it destroyed itself inside of 30,000 miles due to piston slap. GM ate a BUNCH of engines. But..... there's a lot of people with those trucks, 20 years on, that are fine and do not consume excessive oil or destroy themselves. Mine's one of them.

That was two variables. This is likely more than two, perhaps three or four, which is why you get the exponential series.

There is no fix. Simply put you cannot successfully vaccinate using a "protein production technique" against these viruses. The sensitivity is too high and since the spike is pathogenic if you get a tolerance stack you fuck everyone that gets that lot at a wildly-accelerated rate. It is likely impossible, or nearly-so, to detect it before its used.

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This is tremendous information, and should make you a household name. Thank you.
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Joancrawford wrote..
And I would GLADLY take any year from the '70s in place of the shit show we are currently suffering through now. Sure, there was plenty of pain to go around, but also a hell of a lot of joy.
I dig it. As soon as I can get my Tardis working I'll let you know.



Joancrawford wrote..
I remember doing research about the history of WW 2 way back in high school. I recall mentioning to the class, led by a very wise, old nun, that I was unaware that the Soviet Union was on OUR side during the war. It was the first time I'd ever seen that woman absolutely speechless. I remember thinking: What kind of nerve did I hit that shut her up so quickly?She was one of the most influential teachers I have ever had, yet this one topic silenced her immediately.
I think I'm missing something here...

Imagine what she would say -- or wouldn't say -- these days, when some people can barely place that war in the correct century. (Hell, some teenagers these days think television was invented in the 1980s.)
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129 pages of FDA recalls over past 4 years. It is not a complete list and I didn't see any (not just covid) vaccine related entries. Various reasons including potency,labeling, microbial contamination, and packaging. One hopes this doesn't happen but it does ...

https://www.bcbsm.com/content/dam/micros....

I worked at a manufacturer of toilet valves. There were a couple of dies out of tolerance that ran for months and nobody knew. They did spot inspections but the deviation wasn't caught until water lines started detaching from customer's water valves. They never did admit anything was wrong and some data got lost after "lot analysis" showed the problem. I can see a potential for bad lots with the jabs, can't rule out data manipulation or loss, and don't ever expect the pharmaceutical companies to admit anything was wrong. At least you could sue the Valve manufacturer.
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Apologies if posted already.
This is beyond insane!

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/pf....
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The coding for the S protein is approximately 3,000 bases long, encoding 1,000 amino acids. To start they probably synthesize DNA then can transform it to RNA as needed. Since the J&J also has problems it points to the originally synthesized DNA. Synthetic DNA is not necessarily perfect, perhaps an error in this original synthesis?

Let me present what is easy in synthetic genomics. The first tools is PCR which lets one change single stranded (SS) to dual stranded (DS) and make multiple copies. It is possible to sequence (read) DNA but usually prefer to do shorter (~100) long sections. Possible to push DNA into bacteria to make huge numbers of high quality copies. Possible to duplicate RNA as needed with RDRP that COVID uses. (RNA Dependent RNA Polymerase)

Seems they would make a guide RNA then duplicate like PCR, take the temperature up to convert to SS, lower temperature to get the primers to attach, then a middling temperature to have the RDRP run down and make the RNA DS.

I was going to point out that the RNA is not natural for the mRNA vaccines, it has special bases that make it last longer. But, this obviously is not the source of the problem as J&J also shows the problem.

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@ Tolerance Stack by Gen: YES! That is where I would put my money. Literally unfixable save the hand of God. You could chase it forever.....
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I was wondering how anyone would track all the variables from production storage, distribution, Etc. And that it would be a Herculean effort to do that to try and determine where issues might lie.

Knowing what those lot codes mean might be useful to know, especially if most of these hot lots are coming from very specific manufacturing plants, except that the issue is across all three manufacturers as you have shown.

Maybe all of them are using precursor supplies from a common supplier and the lot codes might tie that together, but impossible from the data that is available.

Very interesting idea about tolerance stacking and likely correct. Even if the problem was correctly identified and corrected, those that are hesitant will never trust these particular vaccines.

Just wait till the manufacturers decide that this vaccine should not be available by itself and it needs to be combined with something else Ala pertussis.

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Karl, was there a link there? I couldnt see it.

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If its a tolerance-stack problem it is probably not fixable. Able to be attenuated to some extent, but not removed and given the sensitivity you may never be able to get to an acceptable result.

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