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Ghboard2021
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Well, for the Ayn Rand fans in the room:

http://faculty.citadel.edu/sobel/Entrepr.... Class Readings/11. Rand - John Galt's Speech Excerpt.pdf

This prose still gives me the 'goosebumps'
Tonythetiger
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Excellent post! More than the simple act of walking off the job, what is needed is cooperative walk outs.

What happens when the trucks/trains/planes continue to run, but merchandise bound for DC/Sacramento/NYC/etc always winds up getting lost and never seems to make it there? Everywhere else is getting stuff delivered. What ever could the problem be? :-)

You couldn't possibly blame the truck driver if his rig is attacked by pirates on its way to the destination. He's got a family to feed doncha-know.

I suppose the pirates could always sell their treasure in the black market that is sure to form in the hinterlands. People who lost their job might have a need for the inexpensive necessities found at such locations.





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@Wayiwalk

My employer has made the lack of severance pay a non issue.

5+ years ago they changed the severance pay policy which at that time maxed out at 26 weeks (based on your length of employment) to a much simpler calculation... TWO WEEKS MAX... 2 years at the company, you get 2 weeks. 20 years at the company, you get 2 weeks.


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@Traveller

That's a great one.

I attached a video of what I've been told is Brazil SWAT. The occupants expected a flashbang, so poured kerosene everywhere. Law enforcement should be very thankful that the people they typically fight aren't thinkers.
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@Ihsmta
I am one of those younger workers you are referring to. I am a recent graduate with just under two years of experience as an engineer. I have already switched companies once. So long as I am treated right, I have an intense work ethic, strive to do things right, and soak up every bit of knowledge I can from those with more wisdom/experience. Deliver this message to your contacts the next time they complain about the staffing situation they likely created for themselves:

Loyalty is earned. If my employer fails to treat me as a dignified person (as was the case with my previous employer), then I will take gleeful pleasure in getting to tell them to go screw themselves as I walk out the door. As someone with no debt and a marketable skillset, I could quit tomorrow and have interviews lined up for next week. Loyalty also goes both ways, just like any relationship. Employers dont get to treat workers like cattle and then turn around and demand loyalty from those same people after they have finally had enough and walk away.

Despite the ungodly amounts of woke we are in this together garbage shoveled out of HR departments, it is not hard to cut the BS and see that corporations are only in it for their bottom line. I cannot fault them for that. Just quit lying about it and complaining when workers realize they have the leverage to demand a better deal.
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Got a semi-update from the employer today regarding the federal contractor mandate.

We're expecting an official written outline to arrive on Friday or Monday, but the grapevine scuttle butt is this:

The company plans to evaluate exemptions by setting the bar for granting them as low as they can make it while 'maintaining compliance'.

I guess the spin-positive "read between the lines" interpretation is that any religious exemption that isn't completely tin will be favourably received and, more likely than not, accepted.

As I've noted in prior posts, this is the most employee focused company I have every worked for. Any issue they have ever decided has always favoured the employees over the business (it's 100% employee owned). The executives walk the talk. Every. Single. Time.

While this is still grapevine level material, I am hoping that things may turn out better than I previously imagined.

If the company honors an assertion of exemption, then the onus will fall on the fed gov to find all the ones that it deems 'overly generous' to cancel. That would mean the fed gov would have to review EVERY exemption one by one to find those that are "not acceptable". That could take years to accomplish on a national scale. If I can collect pay checks for another 18 - 24 months, I'll be more than happy if my exemption is officially denied in the end.

Hopefully this is a sign of good things to come.

I guess I didn't consider that an employer could ALSO throw a bucketful of sand into the machine's gears by organizing a White Mutiny of sorts, follow the 'rules' in a fashion that makes achieving the fed gov's desired goal that much more difficult.

Talk about an unexpected ally. The country needs more employers doing this sort of thing. Accept exemptions out the wazoo and let the feds figure out how to sort through them all at the speed of molasses in January, while the employees continue to work.

Still, despite the hint of a successful hail Mary play in the offing, I think I'll wait for the paperwork to appear and see what it actually says before getting my hopes up too much.

Fingers crossed ...








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Malicious compliance is delicious.

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Tonythetiger
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@Augeries Holy Schnike! That's gonna leave a mark.


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@Tonythetiger

That is good, however, that seems to be the exception. One of the airlines, for example, appears to be asking VERY invasive questions on their forms, such as

-- "please provide name of pastor or senior figure in your religion....
-- "how long have you been a follower of this religion....

If my understanding of EEOC law is correct, they are asking to get sued with these questions. In fact, my fictional "Milton" character, if he wanted to hit the jackpot, could answer "5 minutes" to the latter question, and HOPE they deny his claim. Jackpot....

As for me, I will probably claim a religious exemption, but might wait until after their deadline to test the waters. I am also not going to participate in testing, as that violates my religious beliefs also, and IF they insist on testing, they have just admitted to "failing to provide a safe workplace" for the last 18 months since they have not required testing.


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Now I'm wondering about the supply of spare parts for planes."


Wife's nephew works for Boeing over in Helena, running a CNC that turns chunks of titanium into aircraft parts and little piles of titanium dust.

He's about the most redneck kid you'd ever want to meet, and a talented machinist. I really wonder if he's going to take the Jab.
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@Maddmaxx

" Excellent interview (3 hrs!) by Joe Rogan with Alex Berenson

so far I am disappointed in Berenson's uninformed comments re ivermectin. He states very confidently, using a "myth-destroying" tone, that "we" don't know whether ivermectin works.
Uh, who is "we"?
Doctors?
Uh, no.
He has not apparently talked to any actual MDs who are using IV to treat patients and have treated thousands successfully with a regimen that includes IV. He is apparently ignorant that Dr. Peter McCullough has repeatedly stated that RCT studies were quashed in 2020. He seems to be clueless regarding the basic point that when confronted with ill patients you do not wait for 5 years for RCTs---you use your clinical experience to figure out possible treatments. So, again, who is Berenson to be calling himself "we"?

I really hate that "we" when spoken by people who are not scientists, not physicians, not epidemologists, not virologists, etc. (Like the the New Yorker writer John Lanchester who talks about "we have to be able to feed billions of people" ---a guy who has probably never grown a tomato or a cucumber and wouldn't know where to start.) Berenson seems to be unaware that the scientists who retooled IV for human dosages won the Nobel Prize for Physiology and Medicine in 2015.
Then he states that the same amounts used in in vitro studies, if used in vivo would kill people. I believe that is incorrect. Then he retreats on that. Stupid statement. He seems to be unaware of a lot when it come to ivermectin. Then he comes along with a "gee whiz" comment about river blindness in Africa.
Well, yeah . . . That is why the Nobel Prize . . . Informed people know this. It's in Wikipedia. People who blathered about "horse wormer" weren't not even far along on the road to enlightenment to look it up in Wikipedia, fer chrissakes. Berenson sounds like one of them!

My impression so far is that Berenson assumes a level of knowledge in his listening audience (and also in Joe Rogan) that is considerably south of . . . mine . . . Just sayin' . . .
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@Tsherry I HAD a very similar job at a very similar employer, turning titanium and Inconel into bladed disks for the world's most powerful blenders. No more though. I start at another shop next week. It's crazy to think that with so many retirements I was considered high seniority with only 7 years. Not to mention that half the people we onboard can't tell a micrometer from a c-clamp. They actually got rid of a competency test from the interview process because HR somehow deemed it "discrimination". Ah, what the ****? Yeah, we are and should be discriminating during a hiring process. That's the whole damn point!

Oh well, not my problem anymore.

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Wayiwalk wrote..
I'm going through the 5 stages of PISSED OFF.
Wait... there are only five? I must be doing it wrong.
Tonythetiger
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@Bluto

I spent a couple hours this past weekend thinking about what to put in an exemption. I concluded that careful wording was required to be able to sidestep attempts at undermining your assertion(s).

Avoid the use of "facts" like the jab isn't safe. Any facts you state should be 100 percent irrefutable by anyone who looks at them. "Safe and Effective" is an opinion. Calling the jab dangerous is an opinion. Saying they aren't effective is an opinion. Every opinion you include is something they can claim is wrong and use as a reason to deny your exemption. Avoid opinions. Stick to hard facts. Example: There isn't any long term safety data on the jabs over a 5 year period. (fact)


Every other statement should cast everything as part of your belief system. Sprinkle in any appropriate biblical verses you feel necessary.

"I believe that God holds me responsible for the physical maintenance of my body (Paul's first letter to Corinthians). As part of my responsibility, I believe I have to find and evaluate evidence, or a lack thereof, regarding the potential risks and benefits of the vaccine which this mandate attempts to force upon me."

By saying that evaluating the evidence, in your belief system, is YOUR responsibility, they cannot undermine that claim other than to assert that your belief system is invalid (which is a tough row to hoe and quite discriminatory).

Since your belief system holds YOU responsible, only YOU can evaluate the information. Doesn't matter that the CDC says it's "safe and effective". God isn't looking for Dr. Fauci's opinion, he's holding YOU accountable. After that you can point at all sorts of data and claim that YOUR assessment is that the risk is too high, so no jab.

After that belief system is properly understood, the other questions are easy.

Senior figure in my religion?: God, Jesus, the 12 Disciples, etc.

How long following? Since I can remember as a young child. Pull out the bible I got as a teenager with my name embossed on the cover and a binding that's coming apart.

If I need to I can bring in the 175 year old family bible that's sitting in my home.

The key is making all decisions regarding accepting the jab a part of your belief system that falls on YOU. They can't argue what your belief system is, it's yours, not theirs. Once the belief system places the decision on you, they can't argue what facts do or don't "mean". YOU are responsible for evaluating them. Not Dr. Fauci. Not the Pope. YOU. (Are you saying I must to go to Hell if Dr. Fauci is wrong?) Even Dr. Fauci can't have a factually based opinion on the long term safety of the jab. There's no data yet and won't be for a few years. Am I supposed to gamble my very soul on a complete lack of data?

Forcing you to accept their appraisal of the facts would violate your belief system, and they can't do that. It would be religious discrimination.



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Onelegged: That link leads to youtube's home page, not a specific video.
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I worked in a manufacturing plant with a hostile, militant union. I have seen a 500 gallon stainless steel tank of epoxy resin become a solid block when hardener was dumped in by persons unknown. The company had to discard the tank. That cost some money even in 1978.

I also worked for a small company owned by 5 investors. There was incredible infighting between the 5. The company was low tech and operated on a shoestring. Assembly drawings were paper and pencil. No CAD and only one copy. The drawings were kept in unlocked files. One night, person or persons unknown stole every drawing. Suspicion fell on the engineering manager who quit after an argument, but there was no proof. A lot of people had keys to engineering and there was zero key control. The place was a dump with no cameras or alarm.

The company had a terrible time recreating the drawings. Someone with 30 minutes and a few garbage bags almost ruined them.

If you know how things work, you can figure out how to sabotage it. Coming to a workplace near you.
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@Chescocatholic

Hello from another Pennsylvanian.

Count me as another who's glad that the emergency-related constitutional amendments passed. It's probably the reason why Gov. Wolf didn't reinstate a mask mandate, knowing full well that the Legislature would rip said hypothetical emergency declaration out of his hands and feed it into a shredder.

Re: aborted fetal cells, I have long asked "Why do this?" Satan is straight-up laughing in our faces. "Remote cooperation with evil"? Remove the word "remote."

And I second @Pavolley's motion to check out barnhardt.biz if you haven't already.

P.S. I might know which company you're talking about (I work in the medical industry myself).

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@Bluto

Re: highway fatalities

Some of that could also be post-Covid brain fog. Speaking for myself, I had Covid recently, and I was not capable of driving safely on the highway until a good 10 days AFTER I was recovered.
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Ishmael wrote..
Companies who pontificated how replaceable everyone is are going to find out the hard way theyre wrong.


So many idiots say "Fire them, they're replaceable" without asking the question "In what time frame?" Case in point, air traffic controllers:

https://twitter.com/AJKayWriter/status/1....

Or maybe you'll get replaced by...yourself:

https://twitter.com/SteveBayrd/status/14....

Ishmael wrote..
This could be as simple as being the only person who knows how to order supplies in a timely manner or does all the little things everyone takes for granted but no one knows exactly who does it.


In other words: Good luck replacing the power user with years or decades of experience. Sometimes the best revenge is being so valuable that they ultimately regret firing you.

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Yeah, I was really put off by what he said about IVM. It started out good with the review of the UK data Karl pointed here in his tickers but as soon as ivm came up, he got really squirrely about it.
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I wonder if he was forced to avoid discussing ivm because of the book he just published? Anyone read it and know if it discusses IVM?
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The Joe Rogan interview with CNN's Sanjay Gupta is a marvel to wonder, one hour into it.

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Kylie Irving suspended by the Nets and NBA player Brandon Goodwin reveals he got blood clots from the vaccines.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/nb....

Unexpected allies, for sure. Irving should sue the Nets and the league and Goodwin the league. There's now no evidence to support a mandate and by the time the case gets to court the evidence will likely only be stronger since the trend is pretty clear. Can't imagine the league would be happy paying those millions for nothing.

Reason: punctuation
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Quote:
Now I'm wondering about the supply of spare parts for planes."


Wife's nephew works for Boeing over in Helena, running a CNC that turns chunks of titanium into aircraft parts and little piles of titanium dust.

He's about the most redneck kid you'd ever want to meet, and a talented machinist. I really wonder if he's going to take the Jab.



Not counting,, In My prior "life", My Job was taking those Jet engine Machined parts, that needed "further processing",, In other words Shot-peening, etc, that is done by outside shops "hardening" & increasing resistance to fatigue & corrosion of the "metals" ,, Lots of those folks are run of the mill blue-collar guys..

This includes certain parts that also go into Rocket engines needed by NASA & the Military..

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-- "please provide name of pastor or senior figure in your religion....


A: God
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