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Freewill
Posts: 21
Incept: 2021-08-31

Illinois
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@Ajkalian

He knows how much money he has from the FDA and from Pfizer is in his offshore bank account. nO sTAnDiNG
Bluto
Posts: 434
Incept: 2021-07-10

Florida
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The corporate communists are using a divide and conquer strategy.

Some people will retire early
Some will quit without a fight
Others will fake cards and possibly (probably?) get caught and fired
Others will beg for a medical exemption, only to get "denied"
Others will beg for a religious exemption, only to get "denied"
And sadly, a few, will submit and take the clot shot

A few will get "approved" exemptions, but spend the rest of their careers with a sword of Damocles over them, weekly testing, social distancing, masks, etc.

Then there will be too few people to stand together once the mandate boosters for the rest of your lives. Stand NOW.

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"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
Txdg00
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Incept: 2020-08-10

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This **** can't unravel fast enough.
Bluto
Posts: 434
Incept: 2021-07-10

Florida
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For folks counting on religious exemptions:

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2021/1....

"Task force says that for some jobs where no other safety protocols are adequate, federal agencies may require all employees to be vaccinated against COVID-19, without exception."

You can have claim a valid religious exemption, but they can deny it because "it is too cumbersome" for them to accommodate your religious exemption.

But if they can't create a "safe" work environment, are they not admitting they have failed to create a safe environment for the last 18 months, and/or failed to inform employees of that fact??? Didn't they just checkmate themselves?

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"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
Jwm_in_sb
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Incept: 2009-04-16

California Desert
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@spanky,

The Pfizser vaccine is still under eua, it is Comirnaty thst was approved or rather thr label with the attendant testing 2 to 3 years out is what was approved. Good luck finding a vial with the Comirnaty label on it. Barnes and Bobby Kennedy are suing fda over thst.
Bluto
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Incept: 2021-07-10

Florida
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Looks give Governor Abbott just upped the ante:

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor....

"No entity in Texas can compel receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine by any individual, including an employee or a consumer, who objects to such vaccination for any reason of personal conscience, based on a religious belief, or for medical reasons, including prior recovery from COVID-19. I hereby suspend all relevant statutes to the extent necessary to enforce this prohibition."

He is also going to add this to the special legislative session agenda.

BUT, this looks like some weasel-working, and I don't think it can stop what is going on with the federal contractors right now. I think the executive order requires you to provide proof, and if you don't they can fire you. So those companies can say "okay, fine. We are not compelling you, You can choose not to, but if you choose not to, you are fired"

Seems like Abbott is only pushing half his chips into the pot in an effort to make it look like he is doing something. But I could be wrong since I ain't no lawyer.

Either way, expect DeSantis to act next.... Maybe he can do better.

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"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
Franco
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Incept: 2009-10-06

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Whats the one question?
Tickerguy
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Incept: 2007-06-26
A True American Patriot!
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@Franco - If the immune damage is local to Covid-19.

If it is not this winter is going to be a ****show unlike any other.

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Jwm_in_sb
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California Desert
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@bluto,

They have to pass strict scrutiny test and they can't. They will get sued for discrimination. What they are trying to protect against is asymptomatic spread by unvaxxed in particular. There are less restrictive ways to do that, especially considering the low probability of asymp spread, than the jab. You are effectively right though, they checkmated themselves.
Keenan
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Incept: 2013-01-11

Western PA
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@Shadowmask, @Bzelbob: "The time for truckers, rail, air, and anyone else to strike is NOW"

Exactly. As per the old sayings, the iron is now hot; fortune favors the bold.

Could be a Howard Beale moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRuS3dxK....
Heartlander
Posts: 800
Incept: 2021-02-25

Kansas
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@Bzelbob
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It's not about the shedding of spike proteins but about both parents, etc., now jabbed, now having *much more* compromised immune systems, allowing the spread of all sorts of infectious things.

In other words, the parents, being vaxed, could be infected with the virus, show no symptoms, and spread it to their son.

I have a strong suspicion that this is how I got Covid last month. I had an out-of-town guest one weekend who was vaxxed. I spent a lot of time under the same roof with her. I could be wrong -- Delta is so contagious, you could pick it up just about anywhere, I suppose.
Maddmaxx
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Incept: 2021-05-31

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@Jwm The evidence available now suggests that the vaxxed are a greater risk of spreading covid than the unvaxxed. I wish there was some more definitive proof, or way of proving that, but the Gov or Companies likewise cannot prove the unvaxxed are responsible for more spread. Right now, it's Biden said so, even though he flatly contradicts the CDC's own admissions and the various studies and data including the U of Wisconsin study suggesting vaxxed are more than twice as likely to be asymptomatic spreaders.

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Throughput
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Incept: 2021-09-21

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November 1971 was the first Cannonball Run, the unofficial coast to coast car race from NY to CA. It was organized by Brock Yates, a writer for Car and Driver, to protest the imposition of 55 MPH speed limits. Seems quaint these days.
The 50 year anniversary of this act of defiance is a natural rallying point everyone can appreciate. We need to come up with a present day
analog. Even some of the vaxxed now realize this is all going way too far.
Erj
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Incept: 2021-08-15

Marion, VA
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Virginia Hospital tread: It is noted they are no longer keeping track between the vaccinated and unvaccinated that enter hospital. For the month of September this small town had 52 deaths reported by 2 funeral homes...Last year 2020 both funeral homes reported together 25 funerals. This September the majority are vaccinated that are hospitalized.(according to a nurse) Since the town is so small it's easy to know if people were vaccinated just by word of mouth.
Originally on the Virginia health Dept. website they were keeping track and reporting all this data..they maybe keeping track now but they are not reporting it.
It makes everything look suspect..to me the hospital should be investigated..as to treatment protocols...but I don't believe anybody really wants to know...
Corvid/mandates are relatively quiet here since we are having governor's race next month.
Bluto
Posts: 434
Incept: 2021-07-10

Florida
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@Jwm_in_sb

Unvaxed employees that worked onsite for 18 months were provided a "safe working environment" by their employer, BUT, those same employers can no longer provide a "safe working environment" for those same unvaxed employees claiming religious exemption, WHEN providing said environment should be easier since more people are vaccinated and "safer".

Sounds like "checkmate" to me.

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"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
Neonsignal
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Incept: 2021-03-24

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@tickerguy -

Regarding your response to @fredocal about https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/are-l....

I'm not sure the increase in CFR is explained by those too infirm to get the shots.

He broke the data out by under and over 50, and found:

"first, its not a simpsons paradox in age data. CFR is rising in over and under 50s. its not mix shift alone. CFR in over 50s is up 2.5X. its up 4-7X in under 50s."

That is, the effect is worse in the under-50 group, who are much less vaccinated in general, so the numbers are probably large enough to drown out those too ill to vaccinate.

I'm personally not really sold on a Mareks type outcome because the narrowness of the vaccine induced antibodies gives a lot of room for the natural immune system to stop the pathogen, even if some mutation of the spike protein makes the virus slightly more deadly if not stopped by one of the vaccine antibodies. It seems more likely to me that VEI evolves to escape RBD abs and maybe also get a little enhancement from some non-neutralizing abs.

Anyway I hope Mareks is not in the cards, but his data isn't that comforting and I could not think of an alternate explanation.

At some point it seems like if this was happening they should recognize this as connected to a new variant.
Zachary1000
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Incept: 2021-08-17

Sydney
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It's easy to explain the difference between hospitalization rates and infections.

In the outside world, doctors are not acting as gatekeepers as to who gets tested and who doesn't. The vaccinated are probably just as likely to get tested (as they are the ones most scared of the disease) in the outside world as the unvaccinated.

So in the outside world, assuming the vaccine is useless, we wouldn't expect much of a difference between infection rates between the vaxed and the unvaxed.

But in hospitals, doctors *are* acting as gatekeepers. They are vastly more likely to test the unvaxed vs the vaxed (in line with their prejudices) for those who come into the hospital with unrelated conditions. Therefore it appears as though the vaccine prevents hospitalizations even if it does no such thing.

We would need an all cause hospitalization rate to remove the bias to see if the vaccine is preventing hospitalizations but I am sure we would never get such a thing because it would be devastating to the case for the vaccine. Hospitalization data is all these pro-vaccine clowns have and so they'll defend it to the hilt.

The first rule of epidemiology is that all epidemiology is bunk. The Austrian economists understand that econometrics is worthless because it can only ever "prove" your assumptions - ie the whole thing is circular. Unfortunately, there has ever been a large movement of people to question epidemiology on the same basis. Epidemiology will always "prove" that doctors are right because doctors are the ones making the diagnoses.

Greg Beattie is one of the few people on this earth to have truly understood this - which is amazing because it's astonishingly obvious.

To illustrate, what happens if doctors believe that a virus has a 100 per cent fatality rate? Well they will be "obliged" to treat you in the most vicious manner imaginable because they can't do any worse right? Makes sense. But what if they're wrong? What if the virus isn't actually 100 per cent fatal? Well their treatments will be the thing that will likely kill you and each time, your death will be blamed on the virus and doctors will point to you and others like you and say "you see? We told you that nobody survived this virus, we need to start these horrific treatments right away".
Burya_rubenstein
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Incept: 2007-08-08

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I don't have the right anatomy to tell her what Tickerguy said for LM to do


Try "Drink my piss".
Nitrium
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Incept: 2010-05-21

New Zealand
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IT THUS DOCUMENTS NEGATIVE PROTECTION -- that is, infection if jabbed is MORE LIKELY than if never exposed AND UNJABBED.

Isn't it likely that some (most?) of the "unvaxxed" category have probably already seroconverted though? There may be only ~2% that are both unvaxxed AND never infected left(!) From: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf
"Based on antibody testing of blood donors, 97.7% of the adult population now have antibodies to COVID-19 from either infection or vaccination compared to 18.1% that have antibodies from infection alone."
So could a possible reason for the much lower unvaxxed demographic getting CoVID is simply due the the fact that a lot of these cases already have natural immunity that (as everyone knows now) protects better than the vaccine, as opposed to the vaccinated having enhanced infection rates? This is of course assuming a significant number of the unvaccinated who have already seroconverted are deliberately not getting vaccinated (which is a rational choice), but given how few unvaxxed and never infected people are left in the UK this is maybe not that unreasonable(?).
Unfortunately reports from months previous are hard to compare to each other due to easing/reinstating lockdown restrictions which muddies everything.
Bluto
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Incept: 2021-07-10

Florida
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@Throughput

Mark Rippetoe has an interview up with Fred Ashmore, who did Canonball run in 26 hours. He did it alone, except for a fuel crew halfway along the road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVzMAa0O....

His average speed was something like 106 MPH!! BTW, I think someone has already beaten that record.

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Jc3
Posts: 260
Incept: 2020-03-02

South Texas 93 miles from Houston
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The morons and corporate arsonists running LMT, now trading below the 200MA, deserve to tank. One leader per team walking will take more than 1 or 2 other key team members with them. Project fails, dominoes into associated projects. If contracted per employee billing methods, cash flow also takes a nice hit. We're about to see a few pounds of sand and rocks dumped into the Mil Industrial Machine a president warned us about in a speech long ago.

Concerning truckers' strike for a week.
It is my understanding that city stores have about 3 days of "food" under non-panic situations. Once "the public" knows no more food is coming for a week or more, cities will lose the "civilized veneer" real quick. Millions with no food in American cities will make the Afghanistan fiasco look pretty in comparison.
Invisiblesun
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Incept: 2020-04-08

Maryland
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When this issue gets to the Supreme Court, may the plaintiff state:

"Justices,the government is lying about the harm this vaccine is causing. You can accept their lies and declare that the government killing its citizens is legal as long as they lie about it. Or you can demand the government produce all health & safety data about the injections. And if they do not have this data, if the data they produce is flawed & incomplete, you must assume their claims of vaccine safety are unsubstantiated."

Thomdd1959
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Incept: 2013-02-17

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Don't jab & fly! Heart attacks can kill others.

Where are Mothers Against Jabbed Pilots!

Don't jab & drive! Heart attacks can kill others.

Where are Mothers Against Jabbed Drivers?

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Government only works for the benefit of the people when it is conducted in the full light of day. -- Karl Denninger
Invisiblesun
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Incept: 2020-04-08

Maryland
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One of the great mysteries of the US Covid response:

Favorable research on Ivermectin can be published on the US government NCBI/NIH website, but citing that research on US media is "misinformation".

"In 28 days of follow-up, significant protection of ivermectin preventing the infection from SARS-CoV-2 was observed:"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34513523....

What is NCBI?

National Center for Biotechnology Information,
U.S. National Library of Medicine
8600 Rockville Pike, Bethesda MD, 20894 USA

Heartlander
Posts: 800
Incept: 2021-02-25

Kansas
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@Maddmaxx

Do you have a link for that U of Wisconsin study? I've searched and searched (with a non-Google search engine) and cannot find it. I would sure like to get my hands on it.
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