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4lakes
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Another delightful story as reported by UK Express:

Flu jab panic as UK pharmacies 'run out of stock' after warning of 60,000 winter deaths

The increase in flu jab uptake comes after warnings sent from health chiefs that flu deaths could reach the highest levels seen for 50 years as a result of lowered immunity. They warned last Friday deaths from the flu could hit over 60,000 after over a year of social distancing has left Britons with low levels of immunity to the virus. Over 35 million people are eligible for a free jab on the NHS boost to the scheme which includes all over-50s.

Tickerguy
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Meh @Fredocal

Note that boriq allows himself an out -- which is that the "unvaxxed" trend toward those who can't get jabbed because they're seriously compromised.

That's EXACTLY what my article puts forward. The problem with base CFR/IFR rates is that you have to segregate the "susceptible" out into groups who are at special risk when you use interventions which those at special risk CANNOT USE. If you don't vaccinate anyone then it doesn't change and thus direct comparisons work but that's not the world we have. This looks sort of like a version of Simpson's paradox but it isn't; it comes about because your two groups change composition in terms of susceptibility to severe outcomes once the intervention is applied as those with the highest propensity cannot (or do not) use the intervention. Without controlling for that you see a signal that does not actually exist.

It is precisely this that makes the policy destructive and the government knows it. This is why they're freaking out; they have known ******ned well since May that the jabs make it MORE LIKELY for you to get it, and those who aren't jabbed as time goes in have a higher and higher percentage that are immune compromised and CAN'T get jabbed.

Let's assume you start with 100,000 people (we'll make it simple) and the disease has a 1% fatality rate across the entire population. Ok, that's 1,000 people dead. But of them there are 500 who are seriously immune compromised; they're VERY dry tinder, and if they get it they're ****ed.

Ok, so now we start vaccinating. NONE of the 500 can get jabbed because the jab itself will screw them. Let's now assume 50,000 people get jabbed, but now the percentage of immune-compromised among those who who are not vaccinated goes from 1/2% to 1%!

Guess what happens to the alleged CFR if the vax suppresses symptoms, hospitalization and death but makes it more-likely for you to get and spread the virus?

The CFR may well double or more among the unvaxxed cohort because ALL of the 1,000 compromised individuals are now in that unvaxxed cohort (doubling their representation percentage as a part of the whole) and you have materially increased their risk of exposure at the same time!

But -- the virus didn't change at all. You changed the susceptible population's distribution of people who will get ****ed, and by doing so you changed the outcomes even though the actual CFR did not change.

The problem for employers is this: There is no liability for a NATURAL process that nails people since you didn't create or egg it on, but IF YOU PLACE HIGHLY SUSCEPTIBLE PEOPLE AT ENHANCED RISK VIA YOUR INTENTIONAL ACTS you are liable for the outcome.

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Engineertype
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Asimov, I can't check that out. My son is with him in the hospital ICU and no phones allowed. I will find out eventually.

Mrdef
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I sent an email to my daughter with the following link that shows the effect on one person's immunity via blood work.

https://rumble.com/vna7jt-my-jaw-dropped....

Below is her response from which I have not replied yet. Any comments or thoughts?

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The results after the first vaccine only show the % of CD 8 cells, no other lymphocytes; while the results after the second vaccine says "Lymphocyte %" - it doesn't differentiate between CD4, CD8, or other lymphocyte cells that may be included in that total. Seems like this guy can manipulate what he's showing and doesn't show all the data. I would like to see all the information before vaccination, after the first dose, after the second dose - also not just a day or two after both doses but a week, two weeks, a month afterwards and so forth. Also, it typically takes a few weeks for the body to produce "memory" T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes (white blood cells) after vaccination - again, this is why it would be helpful to see a report 2-6 weeks after full vaccination, not just a day or two afterwards. Not to mention, this is not an official study - it's a lackluster report on one man done by a chiropractor.

Here's a study that mentions low lymphocyte counts after a few days of being vaccinated: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-0.... "Transient decreases in lymphocyte counts (grades 13) were observed within a few days after vaccination, and returned to baseline within 68 days in all participants. These laboratory abnormalities were not associated with clinical findings. RNA vaccines are known to induce type-I interferon, which has been associated with transient migration of lymphocytes into tissues1922."

This article also mentions low lymphocyte counts shortly after vaccination: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-0.... "Our previous clinical experience with RNA vaccines suggests that the transient decrease in lymphocytes is likely to be attributable to innate immune stimulation-related redistribution of lymphocytes into lymphoid tissues20." Check out this graphic from the study which shows low lymphocytes on Day 2 after vaccination but jumps back up on Day 8: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-0....

Other good articles about increase of CD4 cells after vaccination: https://secure.jbs.elsevierhealth.com/ac.... and https://www.jci.org/404

Hope this has been helpful.

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I still do not trust any data from the US gov or pharm co. Seems my jabbed daughter does!



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If it is proven that Pfizer, Moderna and J&J lied about the data provided to the government


That won't happen. The data was there, or at least in broad strokes - it's the government that ignored it.

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Cmoledor
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So again I say. This sounds like a fast acting AIDS to me. If it destroys immunity in general,is this not like AIDS? ****ing eewwww!!

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10....

Wonder if Poison Dwarf has seen this?
Constantbees
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Pretty off topic, but please forgive me since this is showing up in the British press: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/....

A coronal mass ejection is forecast.

Apparently will hit in about one hour. Any reports from the American side of the pond?
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Paging Doctor Marek, you have a call from Doctor Fraudci and the Xiden administration... Paging Doctor Marek...

I hate to wish anyone dead but Marek's disease was always a potential with high jab rates. Part of me hopes they don't make it long enough for that to be a problem. Hopefully we don't get to that but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the goal. Yeah the shots suck but miss a dose and you die. That's one hell of an incentive for a subscription medicine service...

So... Are we still going with this being a pandemic of the unvaccinated?

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Interesting article. So does this mean it's better to have a rougher bout of Covid for more durable immunity? Or does it mean that if you have an asymptomatic case that your immunity is so good that you whipped it right away.. Hmm.
I wonder what they used for antibody tests to get to the data?
https://scitechdaily.com/new-research-ca....
Fredocal
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@Tickerguy - thank you. This makes sense to me. As you said, here we go.
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@Kf7psm - I doubt it matters. To discriminate you need to run a much more-involved antibody panel which gives you qualitative AND quantitative results. That's a lab test and its not cheap.

The linear-flow test limitation is that you don't know which part of the protein they detect. This is why they're useless if you've been jabbed; they SHOULD produce a positive in that situation. But its also why you damn well should run one BEFORE being jabbed, because there's no point in the jab if you already have a detectable titer, no matter how specific the test is.

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@ocdawg,

I agree. They're gonna let these corporations choke on the mandates and attendant risks.
Stoptheinsanity
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@Constantbees, supposedly we take a relatively minor hit later today per Suspicious Observers

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Constantbees
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@Stoptheinsanity

Thanks for the reply. The British press tends to make everything sound like the apocalypse while the American press ignores it.
Thegreatunwashed
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Erroldo:

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Not allowed to be discussed on Twitter? I tweeted this post and got a few reactions so far. Most time I get no reaction


That's because you haven't ticked off a leftist. Generally, when your Tweet gets blocked it is because someone has reported you for spreading disinformation. Try responding to a Covidiots Tweet with a link to this information, it will likely trigger them into reporting you and the Tweet will get removed.
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@Mrdef my advice, don't send anecdotal data to anyone. You're just going to get the kinds of responses you got, which is basically, "I see your 1 guy and up you 3 - 4 studies" and you instantly lose a battle.

I've been guilty of that and subsequently learned my lesson. Always validated and support any claim.

The data posted in this Ticker is damning!
The data here is as well: https://www.rintrah.nl/too-many-people-a....

Honestly, just send her to the ticker and let her try to debate herself out of TG's numbers.. and good luck! I've essentially become non-verbal to family over this event.
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Did anyone notice this?

(and that is the DEATHS table, by the way)
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@cobra-- it is my understanding that it is the unvaxxed that get ****ed with Marek's, not the vaxxed.

We are seeing this, btw: that the vaxxed can be superspreaders too. ****ing grim reapers around the old and compromised who got vaxxed back in January.
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@Mrdef It seems like a plausible response and may be true. It's a shame that we're where we are with this where public health isn't at the forefront and transparent debate and inquiry isn't present. The key point with respect to the original video is it raised something that should be looked into by the kind of testing your daughter suggests, but it won't be done because the results could be disastrous to the chosen path.
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Public health is, at times, opposed to personal health.

DTP -> DTaP anyone? That was WILDLY opposed to personal health in that it resulted in twenty TIMES the pertussis case rate. The change came about BECAUSE of malfeasance by the manufacturers and rather than force into bankruptcy those who were *******s the government covered it up with both liability waivers and then ALLOWED the substitution.

You are still at PRIVATE benefit to get the DTaP jab, since there is no other choice (DTP with withdrawn and is no longer produced) BUT from a PUBLIC perspective this change was a disaster.

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Disgusted
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So, will it be the airline pilots that save the world? Looks to be spreading, I can only hope every major carrier goes the way that Southwest is going. Shut it all down. I've always had respect for most airline pilots. A lot are probably ex military?, and the few I've known have a big pair.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/south....

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Yep @Disgusted -- probably 80% of ATP folks are ex-military, simply because getting the experience and hours any other way costs so much ******ned money and time that this is, by far, the easiest way to get that job since Uncle Sam pays for all of it. You thus have all but "time in type" done when you get out.

If they grow their sack back the government either folds or the entire airline and air cargo industry is a smoking hole.

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Sane
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This story from Dec 4, 2020
https://ca.style.yahoo.com/heres-how-cov....
indicates that the Department of Defense (DoD) is involved in tracking the vaccinations and providing the vaccination cards.

This makes it highly unlikely that anybody can forge one, claim falsely that they have been vaccinated, and continue working for a defense contractor. They will probably be caught.
Twiggler
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Just sent link to my states rep, senator and governor.

There is a group in my state pushing to get a special session to address any type of covid mandates.

The world wide data is really beginning to show this therapeutic has limited, and better yet no value.

So how does one find the necessary legal resources if and when faced with a business mandate?

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