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Tickerguy
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@Blairkiel - No, I'm saying the CDC (and CMS) knew the shots were worthless within six months by May as well and were producing negative protection.

This is why Biden and the CDC went ape-**** with their mandate crap and it is ALSO why OSHA changed their "reportable injury" rule (which is illegal, by the way); they knew ******ned well that those who could not be or chose not to be vaccinated were being deliberately harmed in the workplace via these mandates and the employers were wide open to being ****ed in the ass.

There is no way to immunize the employer without an act of Congress, which would require disclosing that they KNOW this is going on. The only other remaining option is to try to ELIMINATE the unjabbed group, irrespective of how outrageous that is. Since they CAN'T do it via law (again, without Congress) they instead are doing what they're doing.

These **********s knew it in May, in short.

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Boredfree
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"It is easier to fool a man than to convince him he's been fooled."

A form of this saying has been attributed to many notable figures. Mark Twain is my favorite.

People rarely see themselves making mistakes, and even less often, admitting them.

And so history repeats. Maybe not the same lyrics, but the same beat.

At some point the peasants revolt. The politicians lose their heads and every one makes nice, forgetting the people behind the scenes who pulled the strings.

Yet another footnote in history future beings will scratch their heads about, wondering how did we lose our collective mind? And soon after that they will probably be doing something equally as stupid.


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Engineertype
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Tickerguy, Thanks for your input on this. I questioned the mechanics myself, but it sure is a strange coincidence. And I come from the school of "there are no coincidences".
Blairkiel
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If they knew it in May its why they kept shortening the time to the third booster.

This stems from Faucis old and outdated models of the bodys immune response where the belief in antibody titers is paramount. One of the famous docs...McCullough? Has Spoken to this
Likesbeer
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Jcpennyinla: the discussion about the total number of unvaxxed in the UK (calculated as estimated population, which is somewhat imprecise, minus number vaxxed, which is known precisely) and its effect on these figures has been had, here for example: https://www.hartgroup.org/pick-your-deno..... There is some uncertainty although to see the apparent negative efficacy happening in the younger age groups where the number of unvaxxed is still substantial is concerning.
Cwatson1982
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What I find especially interesting is that that same report also contains vaccinated .vs. infected antibody numbers too and it implies some VERY ugly facts about the CDC intentionally hiding the above in the US. Specifically, the UK is just now reaching 20% confirmed actually infected by "N" antibody titers.


Interesting, their cumulative "confirmed" cases are at a bit over 12% of the population. Less than a 2x undercount going by the N antibody survey.

Anyone seen anything on N antibody development post breakthrough infection yet?
Susanlauren
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I need a score card to keep track of all of the categories and implications. Am I correct in my understanding (below)?


If unvaxxed:

*double the risk of infection from COVID as a result of exposure to the vaxxed. This would not have occurred naturally, but is as a result of the push to get everyone vaxxed.

*no change in risk of infection from the usual influenza/ viruses



If had COVID and recovered (no vaxx)

*nearly foolproof protection from COVID - unlikely to get reinfected with COVID

*no change in risk of infection from the usual influenza/ viruses



If had COVID and recovered and vaxxed

*what should have been foolproof immune protection is damaged as result of the vaxx - at risk for reinfection from COVID

*may be at greater immune risk than all other categories (those who were never vaxxed, those who contracted COVID and recovered and those who were vaxxed)

*uncertain as to level of protection (if any) from the usual influenza/ viruses - may be greater risk if immune system damage

*there may be damage to immune system - uncertain if temporary or permanent



If vaxxed

*some initial protection from COVID but this only lasts 3-4 months then antibody titers wane and risk for COVID infection returns

*protection is specific to type of spike protein and does not protect from variants (i.e., protects from Alpha but not Delta, Mu, etc.)

*vaxxed can both get and spread COVID - may be some reduction in symptoms

*booster injections are Alpha specific and do not protect from other strains

*uncertain as to level protection (if any) from usual influenza/ viruses - may be at greater risk if immune system damage

*there may be damage to immune system - uncertain if temporary or permanent


So the best case scenario is to have had COVID and recovered (no vaxx). And the worst case scenario is to have had COVID and recovered and then get vaxxed!
Bzelbob
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@Engineertype
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..He is not jabbed but both of his parents are double jabbed. And his daily child care person is double jabbed with booster jab. MAYBE this is a natural event, but strong, healthy 12 Y/O boys don't develop clotting issues.
I suspect spike protein shedding from the adults may have caused this event but no proof. Anybody else hear of anything like this?

KD will correct me if I'm wrong, but what he points out in the article is suffcient to explain this.
In other words, it's not about the shedding of spike proteins but about both parents, etc., now jabbed, now having *much more* compromised immune systems, allowing the spread of all sorts of infectious things.

If this is the case, we'll be seeing lots of other spooky things coming around this winter. (RSVs, etc...) Not just COVID.

Winter is coming.(!!??) smiley

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Tickerguy
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Pretty much @Susanlauren although some of this remains speculative.

But that the vaxxed get infected at a higher rate than the unvaxxed as protection wanes is no longer speculative. This is hard scientific proof of some form of VEI and is arguably much worse than the same negative protecting extending to hospitalization and death (that may come, but isn't in the data yet) since it makes you a walking disease spreader and you screw others with a higher probability than someone who is not vaccinated.

There are remaining holes in the data which make some of the above speculative (but reasonable speculation) but it can no longer be claimed that vaccination "helps others"; it in fact SCREWS others with scientific certainty, while it might help YOU.

This is one of the cases where public health and personal health collide. Public health says "no" to mass-jabbing because it screws others. PERSONAL HEALTH may say "yes" in some cases because your personal protection outweighs the personal risk.

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Chromehill
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Pfizer, Moderna and J&J have immunity for now, keep in mind the Nazis also thought they had immunity too. Couple of things to consider:

1. If it is proven that Pfizer, Moderna and J&J lied about the data provided to the government, their immunity could be gone...fraud voids contracts. Of course the FDA was in on it, but the feds will do what they have to do to protect themselves.

2. If a bunch of people die and babies are born with birth defects, a bunch of pissed off parents could get elected to congress, pass legislation to remove immunity retroactively.

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Thegreatunwashed
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TG said:

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Simply put while a person who is jabbed may well shed spike proteins they're not replicable in another person and, while they could get into the mucosa of a nearby person they can't replicate once there and since they're missing the protein machinery necessary to enter a living cell and replicate I don't buy it.


In a household, from parent(s) to child, even without replication, perhaps the spike load from shedding could be material, especially since it wouldn't be (mostly) relegated to the deltoid and in fact, via entry though the respiratory system, be concentrated in the more susceptible areas of the body.smiley
Tickerguy
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Wouldn't matter except by direct poisoning. I ain't buying it. You'd be stunned at the level of environmental "stuff" (molds, etc) that are all around you and there's exactly zero way to avoid any of it. It's why we have all those layered defenses; without them you'd be dead in days. God forbid you have a cat or dog in the house...

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Jcpennyinla
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@Tickerguy, @Bluto, @Likesbeer

My point is that no single data point provides actionable information given a corrupt data source. The only way to infer meaning from such is to make it "unitless" by looking at first and second derivatives that will show changes and rates of changes in the data. Even this technique yields uncertainty because data sets created via faulty reports present themselves to inappropriate changes to the measurement process. (See AGW for myriad examples)

We all agree more than disagree. In fact, I have several time-series analyses that indicate the bias in testing between vexxed and unvexxed as well as the effectivity loss and transmission gain of the vaccine(s).

Based upon my reviews, the next wave is going to impact the northern states VERY BADLY this ILI season. Whether it's ADE, VEI, or negative effectivity remains up to debate. We just have to wait and see how it's reported... and attributed.

jcp
Ugrev
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Wow. this is horrible. This is EXACTLY the reason we have clinical trials that have proper designs, are NOT rushed and adhere to the em-effing Nuremberg codes. I am fuming mad right now. I had to spend untold hours of my life jamming my head with clinical trial industry legal jargon, which ended up being my default of "do no harm, do not defraud" just to have it all undone by a 9/11 era law; which, if memory serves, was meant for bio-warefare response (re: EUA's).
Tickerguy
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@Jcpennyinla - Except in civil litigation you only need a preponderance of the evidence. 50.1% probability (as believed by the jury!) is enough.

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Fakehustle
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So to answer the elephant in the room question we need to know the all cause mortality of the double-vax vs the un-vax. We also need to have the deaths extend past 60 days as listed in table 4. Has anyone seen the stats in the UK on the all cause breakdown between vax/unvax? I assume that is the number that will be extremely difficult to find.
Onelegged
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It would be nice that chart had a more detailed breakout of the date since second dose.

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Asimov
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@Engineertype

Has he had any shots lately, in particular has he had the flu shot? Is it possible he got the vaccine without you being made aware?


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Moconserv
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@Asimov... I wondered too. Don't need to stoke the crazy train but we've been hearing of similar things around here (sudden mini strokes, etc). It's getting scary.

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Maddmaxx
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"And, as you have mentioned for over a year, by placing the finger on the evolutionary scale to disrupt the natural course of the virus, it is possible the next mutation will be MORE dangerous, not less."

@Bluto have you seen this?

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/are-l....

He seems to think there is now evidence that this is occurring.

@TG, have you gone over Boriquagato's article yet? Curious if you agree with his hypothesis/conclusion?

Reason: add question
Jcpennyinla
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Except in civil litigation you only need a preponderance of the evidence. 50.1% probability (as believed by the jury!) is enough.

First hand experience with this fact.

In fact, if the 50.1% of the jury is in denial you still lose, regardless the evidence.

jcp
Tickerguy
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Yep.

But this means WHEN the worm turns all the businesses lose.

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Drifter
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Meanwhile, .gov is protecting you from... nothing.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/10....

I've been following the UK data-- alarming in itself; but more alarming is that it isn't even allowed to be discussed and has resulted in Twitter timeouts.

The media blackouts vis a vis Southwest-- an iron curtain is descending on my country.
Fredocal
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@Tickerguy - I know youve stated that Mareks disease isnt in the cards. Ive just read this post here https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/are-l.... that looks at the same data set youre using here to generate the opposite hypothesis. He notes that CFR rising in both the vaxxed and unvaxxed populations, and it certainly looks like were driving the creation of a much deadlier virus that could end up screwing all of us (well maybe not those with natural immunity, but certainly those of us who are unvaxxed and have yet to catch this damn thing). Part of me is hoping that Pfizers antiviral proves up before this happens although that might not be enough.
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@Drifter: Not allowed to be discussed on Twitter? I tweeted this post and got a few reactions so far. Most time I get no reaction. The whole thing has gone full communist.
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