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2021-10-11 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Well that deteriorated quickly....

 

Unfortunately what this means is that now for anyone over 30 you are more likely to get infected, yes, adjusted for the population that is vaccinated, if you are vaccinated.  Indeed in the 40-49 age group you're close to double as probable on a per-population basis.

This means that if your employer mandates the jabs he or she can be sued for putting those who can't get vaccinated at double the risk, on purpose, by enforcing the mandate.

Since there are people who can't (due to immune compromise, such as cancer patients) be vaccinated this is now intentional risk.

In other words this is hard, scientific evidence that these mandates by employers have increased the risk of customers (and other employees) contracting Covid-19.  This isn't a natural risk (which an employer is not responsible for) it's a man-made one created by the employer.

That's actionable.

So far this is not translating into higher risk of Covid hospitalization and death on a per-100,000 basis.  But that the vaccine makes you more likely to both get and give to others the virus is now established.  It is fact.  It is in fact true for everyone who is over 30.

I have pointed out that preventing infection was never in the cards; it was not part of the EUA, it was not part of the studies, it was never demonstrated.  But this is much worse because now we are talking about a direct threat to others.

The CDC, NIH and Biden almost-certainly know this.

This is why the mad rush to demand you get jabbed; they know damn well what this means and that while the manufacturer is immune the employers are not and in fact any such mandate leaves them wide open legally as soon as an unvaccinated person gets infected after being at said firm either as an employee or customer and sues the company on the basis of intentionally and maliciously increasing their risk by forcing their employees to get the jab, which is exactly what they did. 

The data from England is conclusive in that regard.

Indeed it is exactly this sort of outcome from 2018 that they fear and know employers are causing.  That outbreak, which was caused by actions taken (and intentionally not taken) resulted in both severe illness and deaths.  $6 million for just 13 kids who got screwed.

I bet that they've known this was happening right here in the US for months now.

I expected no effective protection.  What I did not expect was negative protection, but that's what we got.  This portends the potential for very, very bad things.

Specifically, if the impairment is only toward Covid-19; that is, this is some sort of VEI specific to Covid, then the issue ends there.  For those with natural (recovered) immunity they don't care and absolutely should not get the jab; indeed, if you're recovered and take them you may destroy your protection in part or whole and wind up susceptible to repeat infection you would otherwise not be hit with!  If you do that you're stupid and may well win a stupid prize.

But the 900lb Gorilla is that the impairment may not Covid-19 specific.  In other words the impairment may be immune system generalized, in which case those who took the jabs are screwed because that immune damage could be long-lasting or even permanent, yet the protection against serious outcomes is specific to Covid.  So yes, you're "safer" against a serious outcome even while screwing everyone else, but at the same time you are wildly more-susceptible to a severe or fatal outcome due to, for example, influenza.

We don't have any data on that yet, and thus there's no way to know if that is the case.  It is, however, a reasonable possibility and the few anecdotal pieces of data from people who have run immune screens following the jabs suggests it may indeed be the case.  This is the risk of Warp Speed; we may well have hosed roughly 200 million people and at the same time are now going to screw every person who cannot take the Covid shot due to serious immune compromise or other medical issue (e.g. allergic reactivity to the ingredients) in that we make it roughly twice as likely that someone who has been jabbed will get the virus anyway and give it to them.

Again: While the manufacturer is free from liability as a result of this anyone issuing a mandate is not and, conceivably, individuals may not be either if they took the jab voluntarily and especially if they exposed immune-compromised children in this fashion by, for example, jabbing their child who then infects and kills a leukemia patient.

We now have a reasonable hypothesis for why the summer surge happened too.

The government did what it usually does: It made it worse, and those corporate jackasses who lapped up the government's bull**** made it worse too and unlike the government they are not immune from lawsuit or worse.

Here it comes.

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Excellent ticker.

Interesting times lie ahead. Popcorn anyone?
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The problem is that the shot pushers and sycophantic mudbloods will blame this on the remaining purebloods.
Id rather have my health than a job. If things keep going the way it looks like they are, purebloods will have pricing power in the marketplace very soon.
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Invest in the cold and flu OTC market. Humor aside, the best case scenario could be that more people more commonly sick multiple times during cold and flu season as the new normal.

After a while society will become accustomed to this forgetting what it was like in the prior era. Already those of us, even the compromised, who did simple things (keto, Vit C & D, some minor supplements) were kind of outsiders watching a very strange illness world. Due to the numbers of the scandal, we will be seen as very out of step.

Expect major pushes for all sorts of seasonal illness preventative vaccines and vexxines, and even prophylactic use of cold and flu remedies.

It will take years to unwind the psychology of people assuming constant seasonal sickness as being normal much like alt health fought with keto and other things, some valid, some not. A lot of valid alt health ground will be lost.

This will also under this best case scenario be a junior AIDS in that people will fear infections from others changing the way that the socialize and sexually approach each other.

Probably the greatest Alphas and leaders will be those willing to bare shake hands, hug people, plant a kiss and do other once very normal things. FYI, the sickness avoiding of touch (remember the promotion of that stupid fist bump a while back) was already getting going in places like NYC with flu fear mania for the past two decades.

Funny thing is that we will accept ridiculous filth, human and otherwise, yet worry about stupid stuff like the thinking that leads to filthy and useless masks. Live in places like NYC a while and one can understand. It is all theater and brainwashing.

Plan and invest accordingly.

PS for years thought of forming a dating and social service for people not into the conventional medicine model and its bull****. Me thinks that there is going to be a new need for people not afraid to touch other. Might have to be underground if things get too authoritarian. Imagine a speakeasy type setting where one can get a haircut or some other service where people are not wearing masks and do normal things like touch and shake hands, and, especially for NYC, know how to keep bathrooms, floors and sidewalks and themselves clean.

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I have to believe there are constitutional limits to liability protection. If the companies know their injections are causing harm their protections can disappear quite rapidly. Congress can do what the FDA refuses to do. The actions of President Biden are acts of treason. The mandates are an intentional attack with a biological weapon. They have the evidence of harm in government databases. The government knows what is going on. You can not claim to be protecting the public when your own data shows you are killing and injuring them.
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This data along with Dr Coles reporting from his lab testing strongly suggests to me that this is immunity damage as opposed to VEI, although the two are not mutually exclusive, i guess. Even if Covid largely burns itself out post-Delta, this could still be a dark winter.
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And there are some posing an additional question about much worse outcomes.

This should ice things (and maybe will give some private employers pause--but in many cases, they've already committed themselves and can't undo what has happened). But I do not expect this to lead to a change in tone from those Berenson was calling the Vaccine Church at one point (with good reason).

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All COVID data is suspect. CDC data is more suspect than most. Agree with today's post but let's not be guilty of that which we revile:
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** Interpretation of the case rates in vaccinated and unvaccinated population is particularly susceptible to changes in the denominators and should be interpreted with extra caution.

What I find interesting is the way these stats demonstrate a propensity of positive test results skewed strongly to the younger demographic. Can't be certain, but I suspect this is a manifestation of the forced testing of asymptomatic, unvexxed. That perversion of the "randomness" of the sample alone throws this interim report into the GIGO heap of bovine excrement.

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@Jcpennyinla - Nice try.

The problem is that if anything the testing of the vaccinated is selectively downgraded. At least it is here in the US. I do not know if it is in the UK since they are not under CDC guidance.

This isn't US data, it's UK data. Further, to the extent they test vaccinated people with less rigor that makes the actual facts worse in terms of negative protection, not better.

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And, as you have mentioned for over a year, by placing the finger on the evolutionary scale to disrupt the natural course of the virus, it is possible the next mutation will be MORE dangerous, not less.

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What I find amazing is the number of individuals that lapped up the government fear porn and willingly and voluntarily took this abomination before any mandates were in place.

People trying to curry favor with corporate management by being a "leader". Even the corporate management were congratulating each other on getting "the jab" and how caring they were to do it. Everyone was announcing their 'jab.' Seems like a type of 'peer pressure' to me and mind games.

You can bet corporate would have directly pushed mandates at HR request if people like me had not pointed out how bad events will eventually put pushers into rifle cross hairs if/when things go wrong.

Self preservation sometimes can keep a check on insanity regardless of personal stupidity. It is idealogues you have to worry about.

People buying into the propaganda BS of being heroes from getting stuck with a needle. If only real heroics and true patriotism were that easy.

Operation "Warp Culling" will be a phenomenal success. How long will it take to recover from this shock to the system? The Chinese could not have planned this better. Let the greedy Americans/Westerners kill the fearful Americans and a large part of the free world.

The government and news media - even so called "conservative outlets" have truly made all this worse.

And then we have that corpulent sack of crap Trump still bragging about "Warp Speed" and no one telling him you are directly responsible for this abomination.

I just hope the results are here before the next election cycle. This needs to fall squarely at the feet of trump and Biden. Still most of his supporters don't seem to have a clue on or just don't care.



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Im still confused so:

Question- wouldn't a company issuing a mandate without anything but a threat from Gampy and nothing from OSHA be an immediate violation and the company couldn't enforce any form of discipline/firing before being heard before OSHA/court system? Wouldn't an individual's right to a speedy trial due to irreparable harm (lost wages,health care,etc.) supercede any company "mandate"?
I cannot recall a threat result in such obvious denial of workers' rights....

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@Jcpennyinla

Also, this is even more evidence that the shots (at least the protective benefits) wear off after a couple of months. This is probably why we are seeing higher rates among old people, who were generally among the first to get the shots. Their protective benefits have worn off, while younger folks got theirs more recently so still have some protection.

Of course, the DAMAGING benefits from the shots, not just from blood clots, but immune problems, may NOT wear off over time. We don't know because there is no long-term data, but there is a lot of "smoke" that there will be big time problems.

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With the delta variant, vaccine effectiveness against infection has been estimated at around 65% with Vaxzevria and 80% with Comirnaty (4).
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@Bluto - Possibly. But, so far, not in the data.

Remember that IFR != CFR, and that the first round blew through and burned up the dry tinder. As such you have to be very careful about attempting to compare CFRs between now and the original strain. To get valid figures you need synoptic surveillance and nobody is doing it so you have actionable data to draw upon.

What I find especially interesting is that that same report also contains vaccinated .vs. infected antibody numbers too and it implies some VERY ugly facts about the CDC intentionally hiding the above in the US. Specifically, the UK is just now reaching 20% confirmed actually infected by "N" antibody titers.

The US reached that metric in May.

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@Barley - They lie.

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The silver lining to all this is going to be when the lightbulb goes off and all the smug virtue signaling, I got the shot, you should too ****s start tripping out.

Weve reached the stage where people realize the shots dont work as advertised.

Wait till they realize just how screwed they might be. That realization is just now starting to
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This is why the mad rush to demand you get jabbed; they know damn well what this means and that while the manufacturer is immune the employers are not and in fact any such mandate leaves them wide open legally as soon as an unvaccinated person gets infected after being at said firm either as an employee or customer and sues the company on the basis of intentionally and maliciously increasing their risk by forcing their employees to get the jab, which is exactly what they did.


I was having an argument with my boss as to why it was silly that I could not attend an in person meeting as an unvaccinated person. We went down the usual circular logic path of why are you worried if you are protected. He basically said it was a liability to the firm if I got sick. This made no sense to me. Now it does. Infuriating to say the least. I'm happy to sign a indemnification document if they'd drop their ****ing mandate.

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Is it possible the increased infection rates could be behavior driven rather than VEI? People who think their vax is magic and so they just cease with precautions like frequent handwashing/sanitizing. Stop worrying about touching their face (which I'm cautious of any time I'm out in public until I can sanitize my hands.), etc?
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Alright people, now it is personal. My 12 year old male grandson is in an area hospital after suffering a TIA (mini-stroke) on Saturday. He is not jabbed but both of his parents are double jabbed. And his daily child care person is double jabbed with booster jab. MAYBE this is a natural event, but strong, healthy 12 Y/O boys don't develop clotting issues. I suspect spike protein shedding from the adults may have caused this event but no proof. Anybody else hear of anything like this?
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The clinical data keeps coming in. This is what a small phase 1 trial should uncover and the drug would be a ****ing failure and the damage and futility would be halted.


It takes two. Rob Base Flu Shot and Covid Clot shot combo commercial. Love it. Can't get more clowntard than that.

We all know this combo was tested in the clinical trial lol.

Mysteriously Lane Johnson has not played the last two weeks. Jeopardy - What was 5 months ago?

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@Engineertype - That speculation has been going around but on mechanistic expectations I discount it. Simply put while a person who is jabbed may well shed spike proteins they're not replicable in another person and, while they could get into the mucosa of a nearby person they can't replicate once there and since they're missing the protein machinery necessary to enter a living cell and replicate I don't buy it.

I'd need some pretty hard scientific evidence to dissuade me from the above, and so far I've not seen it.

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@Tickerguy - it may be that you have underestimated how much more likely you are to be infected if you are !vaxxed, as they dont have a rate published in that table for infection rates of those with a single shot although they do have a raw number. My assumption would be they have included them in the unvaccinated column and thats unlikely to have lowered the rate of infection of the unvaxxed.

The high numbers in the under 18 group are probably because they have just started jabbing over 12s here, so it is the usual surge of infections taking place in UK schools that we have seen pretty much everywhere else when they start their !vaxx programs.
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What I find especially interesting is that that same report also contains vaccinated .vs. infected antibody numbers too and it implies some VERY ugly facts about the CDC intentionally hiding the above in the US. Specifically, the UK is just now reaching 20% confirmed actually infected by "N" antibody titers.

The US reached that metric in May.

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Are you saying the CDC was reporting we had a lot more people infected than we did, and in conjunction with all the false positives, they faked the number of people with antibody titers?


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