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Mikeyinfl
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Incept: 2021-08-02

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@Dnomsed

Check out the from the other savant on this.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/are-l....

His contention is that Delta is becoming more, not less deadly due to the cfr or both vaxed and unvaxed both rising based on the UK data you reference.

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what IS material is the fact that CFR in the unvaxxed is trending up significantly and so is CFR in the vaxxed. but were not seeing many cases of re-infection and almost none of those are serious. this does not look like ADE or OAS as a major driver. if it were, theres no reason the CFR in the unvaccinated would be rising too.

what this IS consistent with is a variant heating up and getting more and more deadly because it is not checked by normal biological limitations. vaccine mediated evolution (VME) would be very bad news for us.


TG has talked about this, but it looks like it's starting to happen despite the efforts to hide the ball by the statisticians who keep changing parameters, etc.


Supertruckertom
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Good Lord at that UK report Dnomsed.


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Latest UK PHE Vaccine Surveillance Report figures on Covid cases show that doubly vaccinated 40-70 year olds have lost 40% of their immune system capability compared to unvaccinated people. Their immune systems are deteriorating at around 5% per week (between 2.7% and 8.7%). If this continues then 30-50 year olds will have 100% immune system degradation, zero viral defence by Christmas and all doubly vaccinated people over 30 will have lost their immune systems by March next year.


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Lemonaid
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I don't know what to make of that Tom.

We only know, at this point, antibodies to the original alpha spike sub unit wane over time. Not the whole damn immune response enchilada.

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Whitehat
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if one considers politics to be a profession and occupation for this comment, it is possible to see something common to all professions and occupations.

The person in said profession or occupation entered it as it was the best option for him whether it be doctor, politician, store owner, teacher, salesman, whatever. He does not consider it a calling but the best way to achieve his desired lifestyle given his talents, gifts, situations, opportunities and limitations, etc. You the consumer of what he sells are merely a money source.

This is what happens when there is loss of common culture. People see the other as someone to be used, discounted at best.

Yes, some of us who are different have a morality that forbids us to do certain crummy things to people who are of a different culture, but this tends to die over generations and sometimes very quickly in groups and families.

I cannot begin to tell you the vast range of professions and occupations where those selling to others openly tell me that they would never use said for themselves, their families and those for whom they care.

Would also say that the temptation is greater when one sees the other as someone who has damaged and competed with his culture. This schism occurred with my people. They saw the new Americans as wrecking the place and figured that they would create their own enclaves, limit contact and use and abuse the other. Some of us believed that people could be uplifted and guided to embrace the culture respecting their own individual differences as this country was intended.

Which group won and became the elite? Explains a lot.

Now one can understand the various consumer items and fleeting trends that consume even people here. Not against a little fun, but the manipulation and selling people things that they do not need or worse, harm them and their futures, is the root of our problems.

When one sees all of his countrymen as family, he cannot do something just for profit. Excellence abounds and competition is still present, however people know that there are things that they just cannot do and live with themselves and face their fellows either.

That POS public school teacher does not send her children to public school or want them taught in the same fashion. Steve the POS Jobs and other tech mavens while designing devices purposely to enslave children forbade them for their own to an almost total degree. Before one goes all, "It's the parents," we crossed a line that the influences are so pervasive that it is an all-encompassing and very expensive proposition for a parent to limit exposure and not **** up his kids; raises hand. And, it should not escape anyone here the logical extension into people's lives during this COVID-BS mess where it is so difficult to avoid the evil.

No one dares trust anyone. Not a spouse, nor a friend. How does the rest of that go? Who remembers.

The logical extension of this low trust society where everyone knows that every other is actively trying to screw him and playing an ever increasing system which makes it unavoidable is that a totalitarian regime becomes the only possible form of government.

This will come and last until we get the Yugoslavia effect. See, we won't go there until some dictator gives a few decades of strong arm peace and law and order, right after the representatives are ejected in a non-constitutional way.

The solutions is in ourselves. There is nothing preventing a person from living morally and constitutionally and expecting it of others.

Until then, seeking solutions from outside invites the tyranny we so deserve.

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Onelegged
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AIDs from the jabs? I'm calling tin foil.

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Thegreatunwashed
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@DNOMSED

Antibody-dependent Enhancement isnt what that article is suggesting. Its suggesting a much broader immune system breakdown, like AIDs.
Onelegged
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Nothing at all at PBS, BBC, NBC, CBS ABC or FOX about the JAX shut down.

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Dcsleeper
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from the expose article dnomsed posted.

"They presently leave anybody over 30 in a worse position than they were before vaccination"

As many have said, December cometh.

My relatives are repeatedly nudging me to get shotted. Not gonna happen.
Tonythetiger
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@Supertruckertom @Dnomsed

Take a closer look at that "loss of immune system capability" in the UK report and you'll see they are only looking at covid infection rates. Vaxxed people are getting covid 'more', per the comparison metric they use.

Doesn't mean that their entire immune system is kaput, as the wording of the report suggests. (It also doesn't prove or disprove it isn't true, there's just no data to show either way is true.)

The difference in covid rates between vaxxed and unvaxxed might be reflecting ADE type effects as the neutralizing antibodies wear off.




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Cletusnclovis
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@Bobn,
I have historically taken Ivermectin(1% injectable taken orally at 1cc/100lbs) like I said for the past 20 years. Usually I take a dose for two days straight in the spring, and then again in the fall.
Now I still do the same, but anytime I think I have been "exposed" to the "virus" I follow this protocol for two or even three days straight. I also take 1000mg vitamin C, and 4 vitamin D over the counter pills each day and a zinc tablet for 3 days.
I just put it in my coffee or a glass of juice. Can't even taste it.

I derived my own self-dosage amount by studying and converting dosage amounts given to people in Africa for parasitic infection. Confirmed it with one of my daughters who was a chemistry major in college.

Again, disclosure, I'm not a medical expert and am NOT giving medical advice. Just saying what I did. If I said I stitched up my own wound, that doesn't mean I suggest you do it too. Do your own due diligence !

Reason: added rationale for my own self-dosage and disclosure
Asimov
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Onelegged: While I doubt that too, the AU vaccine had to be stopped because everybody that got vaccinated showed positive on a HIV test.

That's not tinfoil.

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Disgusted
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Incept: 2021-07-20

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Whoever that anonymous source is, would need to strap on a pair and go on Tucker Carlson; or it will be ignored completely like everything else. Some of the doctors that were involved would have to speak up too, and none will. I'd bet as well that it's true and adds another brick in the wall to my theories about it all being planned and none of the elites took the jab. Treatments for me, mandated death jabs for thee; and **** you if you don't like it. Pure evil, and there's only one fix for it.
Erj
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Incept: 2021-08-15

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Maybe..??? if every foundation, charity and non-profit bank accounts were frozen for about 3 years or longer and thoroughly investigated...might it put a damper on the money laundering, that provides all the funding for these shenanigans in the name of world health, peace etc...

Brainiacs..would appreciate your thoughts.
Mosaik
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Incept: 2021-09-10

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@Ratsalad,

Thanks for the update.
Re Kory tweet, "1) This came from a highly credible source inside Congress who has asked to remain anonymous
2) I would never divulge the medical treatments of individual members, nor do I know them myself"

Uh, Americans are being coerced into taking meds and revealing private medical info.

Although I understand why Kory prefers to take this traditionally ethical stance, the fact is that either Congress members divulge their medical info to the public (which pays for it, BTW), or we assume that they have something to hide. Even if they have nothing to hide, we the people should have access to their medical info. Just as a candidate for president has to be medially vetted, and the results are made known to the public/voters/taxpayers. Or perhaps it is an elected president. So, these are elected reprsentatives. They are public people, not private. Their medical condition and treatments they are taking should be public, just like their financial statements.

If they are taking meds that are refused to other citizens---
Is there any legal recourse? Is this unequal protection of the law, or something?

It is OUTRAGEOUS!!

As for Newsom's excuse, it is on a par with "dog ate my daughter's homework."
Mosaik
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@Quantum

Just went online re Jacksonville ATC.

Southwest is calling the situation's causes "ATC Issues" and bad weather.

It is interesting that Reagan's first attack on unions was against the Air Traffic Controllers. I guess they are pivotal.
Technica
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Remember my question about much higher ambulance runs ?? Article out of Florida seems to provide more anecdotal evidence that this is in fact going on....

**Hospitals dispute firefighters' claims that EMTs see more with vaccine reactions than COVID-19**

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This week, some firefighters told county commissioners they are responding to large numbers of people suffering medical complications from the vaccine.

"I transport more people, more Central Florida brothers and sisters, that are vaccinated with issues, adverse reactions, or with COVID than I do unvaccinated," Wendy Williams said.

"On a daily basis, dispatch receives an excessive amount of 911 calls regarding vaccine reactions," firefighter Jason Wheat said.


Of course they asked inline and he responded....

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"The answer is no, were not seeing a lot of reactions," Dr. Tim Hendrix with AdventHealth Centra Care said. "This is a very safe vaccine."

"We have not seen increased complications or visits to the emergency room post vaccines," said Dr. Neil Finkler, AdventHealths chief clinical officer.

Orlando Health would not directly answer the question of whether it has seen a large number of adverse reactions to the vaccine, but issued the following statement:

"It has been our experience that failing to get vaccinated is the biggest predictor of serious illness and deaths from COVID-19. Orlando Health continues to strongly encourage the community to obtain a COVID vaccine, which can also assist with preventing the spread of the virus that causes COVID-19."


https://www.koat.com/article/hospitals-d....
Robackrman
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Aspirin lowers risk of COVID: New findings support preliminary Israeli trial

https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellnes....
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The team investigated more than 400 COVID patients from hospitals across the United States who take aspirin unrelated to their COVID disease, and found that the treatment reduced the risk of several parameters by almost half
Cletusnclovis
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ATC issues= Air Traffic Controllers.
Mass numbers of them called in sick.
If airlines call it "bad weather" I think they do not have to REFUND THE MONEY!!!

I heard where someone called for a national day of calling in sick ! That would be awesome!!
Da1andonlyzapman
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Incept: 2021-09-12

Long Island
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Like Gaelic, I'm retired ATC (ZNY).

Mosaik, airlines always blame ATC and weather for delays. Once in a while they're correct.

Side note about the ATC strike, USPS was allegedly also going to go out on strike but waited to see Reagan's reaction...obviously they reconsidered their position...

Can't say for sure about Jacksonville...

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Ratsalad
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@Mikeyinfl:

This is one of the scariest thing I've read in the last two years.

Last night I was looking at various country-specific data at the excess mortality data aggregated at https://ourworldindata.org/

The question I was exploring was "How is it that Scotland (for example) reports a 25% increase in cardiovascular illness-related deaths in a short period of time, and nobody attributes it to the vaccines?".

Then your post appears. I reproduce the link for convenience of readers:

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/are-l....

The short answer to my question above: the vaccines are not directly implicated because the unvaccinated are dying in increased numbers along with the vaccinated.

As the linked article theorizes - and our gracious host (along with a number of epidemiologists, vaccinologists, etc...) have repeatedly warned about - the vaccines could be applying selection pressure on the virus, causing it to mutate into more dangerous variants.

That's about all of the extroverted communication I can handle in a day. INTP/INTJ here.
Querant
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https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/....

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Population-level viral spread in highly vaccinated populations could dramatically and durably be reduced by massive antiviral chemoprophylaxis of all healthy individuals, subsequently followed by enrichment of these populations with healthy, unvaccinated individuals (hence why we will need a baby boom and encourage the influx of young & healthy unvaccinated immigrants).

Population-level immune pressure in highly vaccinated populations could dramatically and durably be reduced by massive early treatment of all individuals contracting Covid-19 disease, which would (automatically) be followed by long-lived acquired immune protection.

Both of the above proposals will effectively contribute to building herd immunity, which is the one and only solution to tame a pandemic. Or are the stakeholders of the current mass vaccination program still convinced that contrary to all scientific evidence it is mass vaccination that will ultimately end up generating herd immunity and that the virus will spontaneously tone down its virulence, regardless of all immune and infectious pressure currently exerted by the increasingly vaccinated and virus-exposed population, respectively?


Emphasis added.
Quantum
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@Onelegged While the UK report is maybe erring to the shrill side, Ryan Cole has indicated the same thing in interviews--and cited that as a possible reason for the observed spike in cancer activity. He also has said nobody knows how long the immune system depletion will last, or even in what proportion of vaccinated people it is happening, because there have been no systematic studies.

If this was just about maximizing population health or even health among those vaccinated, this would've been halted for further data collection some time ago.

With all the money sloshing around from the government, it'd be a snap to draw bloods from 1000 vaxxed and 1000 unvaxxed.
Patentleathershoes
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I'm not surprised.

I think that most of them hate us.

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Maddmaxx
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Saw this yesterday:

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/al....

He's unvaxxed an is using Ivm and Hydrozy, so if he doesn't do well, it'll be mainstream. If he recovers quickly, no one will say a word. Article I saw yesterday implied his vaxxed wife may have given it to him.
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@Whitehat.....appreciate your thoughtful posts. They give a wider perspective on many issues and help to tie them together into a clear philosophical viewpoint.

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The solutions is in ourselves. There is nothing preventing a person from living morally and constitutionally and expecting it of others.

A fundamental truth that requires repeating daily. smiley


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