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Jpg
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Incept: 2009-03-23

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Nitrium wrote..
Does anyone have any theories on what the "endgame" is supposed to be with these vax mandates? They aren't isolated to just the US either of course (e.g. New Zealand, Australia, and Canada are all on the mandate train).

What's Mandarin for "lebensraum"?
Billhrny
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@Stalag13
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Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, ... Northrop Grumman, they all just announced plans to implement vaccination requirements


I'm watching it go down in the defense industry....worked in it all my life. I'm not surprised one single bit. The defense industry went Marxist 30 years ago. Most people outside of it wouldn't believe the **** we have to deal with. There is that interview still online from the ex-KGB agent where he even talks about how quick the defense industry in the US went Marxist quicker than anyone expected in ex-Soviet Block countries.

Besides, most of the companies that have folded, including those listed, are headquartered in the DC or east coast areas. Yes, their HQ's implemented it, and the divisions in blue states are following and supporting it...but any of those companies have huge divisions in red states that are much different....with many more people willing to say FU and walk. By the way, these are people with the highest security clearances.

I personally know people at three midwest divisions of major DoD players where they have plateaued at around 70% even as we get close to the Dec 8th date most of them set. The managers are literally ****ting their pants. Even if another 5% cave....and I have an idea of how the companies will get them to - they will PAY them - The loss of cleared positions will be devastating to the companies and contracts. The jobs can't be outsources by LAW - export controls. H1B workers can't work them by LAW - you have to be a US citizen. New graduates or younger folk that have been financially damaged by the shutdowns have serious problems getting even interim clearances due to financial problems - their credit is trashed. This is a huge problem for the defense industry and they know it.

Chiff
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Timberlake Va
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Infection-enhancing anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies recognize both the original Wuhan/D614G strain and Delta variants. A potential risk for mass vaccination?

Antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) of infection is a safety concern for vaccine strategies. In a recent publication, Li et al. (Cell 184 :4203-4219, 2021) have reported that infection-enhancing antibodies directed against the N-terminal domain (NTD) of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein facilitate virus infection in vitro, but not in vivo. However, this study was performed with the original Wuhan/D614G strain. Since the Covid-19 pandemic is now dominated with Delta variants, we analyzed the interaction of facilitating antibodies with the NTD of these variants. Using molecular modeling approaches, we show that enhancing antibodies have a higher affinity for Delta variants than for Wuhan/D614G NTDs. We show that enhancing antibodies reinforce the binding of the spike trimer to the host cell membrane by clamping the NTD to lipid raft microdomains. This stabilizing mechanism may facilitate the conformational change that induces the demasking of the receptor binding domain. As the NTD is also targeted by neutralizing antibodies, our data suggest that the balance between neutralizing and facilitating antibodies in vaccinated individuals is in favor of neutralization for the original Wuhan/D614G strain. However, in the case of the Delta variant, neutralizing antibodies have a decreased affinity for the spike protein, whereas facilitating antibodies display a strikingly increased affinity. Thus, ADE may be a concern for people receiving vaccines based on the original Wuhan strain spike sequence (either mRNA or viral vectors). Under these circumstances, second generation vaccines with spike protein formulations lacking structurally-conserved ADE-related epitopes should be considered.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34384810....
Bluto
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@Tuolumne
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It's great to hear that the religious exemption was approved in your case


This is another ugly aspect to all of this. Worker A is approved a religious exemption, while Worker B is not. Worker A feels tremendous guilt and resentment towards their Nazi employer. Worker B feels rage and betrayal.

Worker C, who hasn't yet filed for an exemption but plans to, takes a guess that the reason "A" was approved and "B" wasn't is because Worker A was "working from home", while Worker B was "working in plant".

Worker C now changes to "work from home status" because he is on good terms with his boss. Worker D tries the same, but Boss Karen denies his request.

What do all of these workers have in common? They all hate their communist employer and will look for every way possible to game the system to their advantage and their employers disadvantage. Now multiply that by 10 million people.

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Bluto
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@Billhrny

Don't some of those companies have their production lines in places like Trumptown and Bubbaville-- so far out in the sticks where even the Methodist preachers handle snakes? What do you think the "vaccine compliance" rate is in those places?

What is going to happen to those production lines when half the workforce quits and takes a $1 dollar an hour raise at Burger World, or decides to go work in his brother-in-laws machine shop in his garage?

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"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
Bluto
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@Chiff
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Using molecular modeling approaches, we show that enhancing antibodies have a higher affinity for Delta variants than for Wuhan/D614G NTDs.


I ain't no medical expert by no means, but in layman's terms it sounds like Mother Nature's strap-on just got a whole lot bigger.

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"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." -- Thomas Jefferson
Tickerguy
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@Bluto - I noted this months ago; the data was there and deliberately ignored.

Now we've ****ed what -- 200 million Americans up the ass?

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Ckaminski
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I have a sincerely held religious belief in science, actual science, not the bull**** being promulgated on the American people today.

My God doesn't allow me to put poison in my body in the name of Joe Biden.
Wayiwalk
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Update from my wife, she works at a federal gov't agency. Doesn't matter which one. Her exemption request must be channeled through her immediate supervisor. Big organizations generally have the personal stuff go directly to/through HR. Seems like they are doing this intentionally. Doesn't matter, we don't expect it to be approved. She just wants to check the box that she submitted it before they get rid of her.

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The Lockdowns Will Continue Until the Morale Improves!

I keep thinking, "it can't get any worse" and then it does!
Billhrny
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@Ckaminski

---Playing the company----

After careful review of your religious exemption request we have concluded that since you mention "science" and "put poison in my body" that your request is based on medical or other secular concerns, not true religious concerns. Therefore your request for religious exemption in denied.

You have until Dec 8th to be full vaccinated or you will be terminated.

Please provide a copy of your vaccination card to HR when you have decided to comply with our mandate. We suggest you cease doing your own research and trust the experts. The vaccines are safe and effective.

/end of sarc

The sad thing is hundreds of thousands of people will be getting some version of the above email in the next month.

Tickerguy
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**** 'em.

They can't replace those people and they know it. Make THEM squirm.

See, my view is you don't submit anything. You just refuse. If you reply at all its with something like this:

"Under EEOC guidance I am informing you that this is your <X>th attempt to inquire of personal, private medical information which you have no right to possess. This constitutes harassment and disciplinary action, or further and more-pointed inquiry taken upon my refusal to respond can be, under the law considered constructive and unlawful termination."

Then you go radio silent. If they fire you, bring a recorder (your phone works fine) into the meeting if you are in a one-party consent state and, if in a two-party, announce you have it and are using it (this constitutes consent if they continue.)

Make THEM worry.

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Crossthread
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You have until Dec 8th to be full vaccinated or you will be placed on UNpaid leave



FIFY @Billhrny

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I've no more ****s to Give, because, It was a republic if you could keep it at all, We lost, RIP #Merica

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Tickerguy
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Indefinite unpaid leave is also constructive termination. They think this will avoid the employee being able to get unemployment. They're wrong on that point.

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Robackrman
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@Heartlander
There is very little resistance in California in the urban areas. My county, San Mateo, is supposedly 90% "fully-vaccinated." When I attend outdoor events (e.g., antique fairs, flea markets, ...), I am often almost alone in not wearing a mask even though masks are not currently required outdoors. Many of those wearing masks, have designer masks: leopard skin, sequins, and so forth.
Lazydaizy316
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Going to be a wonderful laughter filled Thanksgiving here this Monday. We are ALL part of the great unwashed in my household. NO vax allowed. lol

God may have shed His grace on America...
But America (including kanukistan) pissed on it and He is now removing that Grace.

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Vernonb
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East of Sheol
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@Billhnry....

Could not agree more about the HR nonsense and it is gotten worse with Covid.

There used to be a time when managers did evals. They knew if they had a good or worthwhile employee. None of this pseudo evaluation BS which is nothing but an HR box check to build bricks in the wall.

With a the manpower shortages HR the gall to write up a salaried employee many weeks ago. We are understaffed and this employee had been working ungodly hours. On top of that employee's wife had a brief stay in hospital and he had to take care of 2 kids less than 4. Yet he managed to juggle the situation. There is no appreciation for good employees.

He fell asleep briefly in front of a spectrum analyzer one morning. Some ******* reported it. Instead of trying to help HR decided to punish.

Employee never had issues before. To hell with these HR monsters.
I would have tried to help. I find many people in this situation lately and I will simply and quietly wake them up and ask if they are ok. Some of these people I have known between 10-20 years.

Some in this latest generation think they are scoring points doing this. They are simply making the workplace more intolerable and untrusting.

It is way past time to evaluate employment contracts in favor of decent employees. The reset will have unintended consequences for these *******s.

Honestly the more the company owners move themselves from hiring decisions the worse things get in my opinion.


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Erroldo
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Could the reason we are not seeing more VEI be low rate of covid virus exposure?
Maddmaxx
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@Bluto that paper came out around early-August, IIRC. And, yep, might explain the big surge in Delta cases, along with standard immune compromise.
Jjn
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Incept: 2020-11-12

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@VernonB - I call those 'Dont fine me, bro' signs ... we have them here. Often accompanied by 'If you dont wear a mask we will assume you have a medical condition'

At this point, if mask is required and they make a stink, I'll turn around and walk out.

When you know the road you're on leads to boxcars and social credit systems, do you REALLY want to take 'just a few more steps' to get to that shiny apple you see up ahead?
Traveller
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Quick question: About this time last year I asserted my religious exemption for the flu shot using a template from the American Association of Physicians & Surgeons which I understand is used by physicians that don't want to get jabbed. I never got the shot and never experienced any opposition or challenges to it. I followed the system guidelines for submission and never received any response whatsoever. So my question is this. Can this be considered "constructive acceptance" where these death jabs are concerned?

Just curious though I will not submit to testing or jabs.
Motorelay
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Incept: 2021-09-20

Connecticut
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My guess is that many of these companies will not fire unjabbed employees, but place them on unpaid leave. Not due to unemployment compensation, but more to keep the unemployment rate down.

It has been estimated that if the holdouts continue to hold out, we could be looking at 25% jobless rate - equal to the Great Depression! If Biden changes the mandate to include companies with fewer than 100 employees, it could go as high as 34%, which is absurd and unprecedented.

Is there anything that would prevent this? It would be devastating to our economy, and to everyone else who wants access to goods and services.
Billhrny
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@Motorelay,

There are many things that can be done to prevent this....but they do the opposite. The only thing I can think of, which I hope is not considered tin in any way, is that this is intentional. The most probable reason is that there is going to be an economic collapse of some kind, it was coming regardless of COVID, and they need someone to blame it on so the bankers, industrialists, and political class can pass the blame.

And they also need the people to submit to the new form of government and monetary system that would follow. They can blame the "unvaccinated," which from those I know including me tend to be the most libertarian bent independent thinkers.

If this were only one country I could just blame "stupid" but it's not...it's happening in almost every country that intelligent productive people could bail to if they tried to expatriate. It looks coordinate throughout FVEY to me.

The only other thing I can think of well...would be biblical in nature. I'm not an apocalyptic person per se, but this is all coming as close to the tribulation as I ever wanted to get. I was hoping to get a pass either by timing or deeds...if you know what I mean. We'll know soon enough.
Precision37
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"Is there anything that would prevent this? It would be devastating to our economy, and to everyone else who wants access to goods and services."

Yes.....Just say NO!!
And how about "**** YOU".
Ghboard2021
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Incept: 2021-07-31

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Mandate, schmandate.
Show me the mandate:
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/10/....

Anyone scoured the Federal Register for the vaccine mandate from Zombie Joe?
Apparently Jon Rapport looked for it and could not find it. Is it accessible by the general public, or does one need some kind special credentials?
Disgusted
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34% jobless rate. **** yea!!!! Bring it on. They want a great reset, well give it to them. Pedo ****ing Joe and the Ho will own this ****. Every ****ing Karen that wants me to join their death cult can ****ing die from covid with ADE and or VEI and I'll enjoy watching every one of them choke on their own spit. Keep getting jabbed with booster after booster too you dumbass Karen re****tards. Xiden says his patience is running out, well go straight to hell you demented POS. He still doesn't even know that the vaxxed can spread covid. Every damn day it's the same lies with everything that's the complete opposite of reality with the fake news azzholes and .gov morons. This **** is only going to end when the liars and dumb****s start dying in a big way. Can't happen soon enough. Just look at this **** from Europe, and I'm sure they'll TRY to push the same **** here too:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/lithu....

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