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Indianarube
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Incept: 2020-03-22

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TG writes
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Game's over folks...
I certainly hope you are right on this one Karl. The sooner, the better. We will still have a turd in the executive branch, but he (and soon probably she) will be effectively neutered. Yeah, hope isn't an effective strategy, but it's what we have. That, and you're not wrong very often.
Onething@atime
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Seektruth wrote..

I don't even care if they offer the chance to request exemptions,


I propose that a more effective and fruitful way to think of it would be this:

"I don't even care if they signal their openness to my assertion of my right to decline to participate."
Superdude
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I'm for Mandatory Jabs for anyone who is on public assistance.

It's safe and effective. So why not? They are giving it to the productive people as mandatory. Everyone should be equal.

Exppi
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Les Bois
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@Robackrman


They will get an inflection pint when folks drag their elementary kids to get vaccinated. I have coworkers itching to go do it right now. Its maddening.
Jpg
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abelardlindsey wrote..
... people will start to question and doubt EVERYTHING the medical establishment has been pushing for the past 30 years.
As well they should, given the way they've soiled themselves pushing that Crime Against Humanity known as the Food Pyramid and its derivatives.
Diogenes_17
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I've noticed a significant decline in people's willingness to take responsibility...for anything. Professionally and personally it seems nobody gives a damn anymore.

I've been frustrated by lack of work ethic for a generation or more but this general state of apathy has infiltrated every aspect of our lives in the past 20 months; more noticeably since this spring.

It's perfectly understandable objectively: The global narrative is that of discouragement and defeatism. Some of us are just more resistant to the programming.

If I had a $20 bill for every bird I have flipped and every "**** you" I have uttered under my breath throughout this I could buy my own island. Something tells me I'm not the only one...

Finally, I am on day 49 of waiting to hear the verdict of my exemption request. Ridiculous doesn't begin to describe it.
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@Tickerguy
I so hope you are right Karl. I have friends in health care who will likely be unemployed by Thanksgiving. I am walking with them through the uncertainty and anxiety. It is tough to witness. I very much want to be wrong in my assessment of this situation. I agree we are headed toward a reset and I am hoping it is one that the powers that be did not plan on and one that is 180 degree opposite of what they intended. Maybe it is darkest before the dawn.
Jpg
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handyone55 wrote..
I have read that these folks can mix up explosives from basic agricultural materials.

Think "OKC, 19 April 1995".
Sonoran_monk
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Bluto wrote..
I expect a big part of the GOP platform (driven by grassroots) in 2024 will be to break up these big companies.


If it does, it will be like Trump's medical reforms. It will only appear in the preview to the movie.
Wakeupcall
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I said last year it would never work. Elites like elite things. They like to travel, go to beaches, plays, sporting events, dinner parties. They like their freedom. If this collapses, and I am more certain than ever that our economy is about to do so, then the elites are screwed. They wont be able to go anywhere. They will be looking side eyed at all of their servants and gardeners and chauffeurs etc, waiting to get a knife in their backs. For the elite to stay elite, they need a strong middle classes to protect them from the masses. The middle class has always been a buffer. This entire ****storm was suicide. I have never understood it. I guess it was mostly about the election, then about greed, and finally a few demonic narcissists and psychopaths thrown in for good measure.

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Augeries
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@Comrader Thanks, you as well.

@Redjack

Not that company but one of a similar size. I remember starting there and asking myself "what am I thinking, I hate giant corporations?" Now I remember very clearly.

Even if they were to ask me to return, I doubt I would. "I have no desire to serve evil, at any price". Lets see them word-salad their way around that.

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Wayiwalk
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"...only appear in the preview...."

Very funny, I'll use that one Sonoran!

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I keep thinking, "it can't get any worse" and then it does!
Jw.
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The GOP is going to put Trump up in 2024, yes, they are that "stupid". And he very well may win (which is why they will nominate him), but that doesn't mean he'll do anything remotely positive, we are where we are after all because of him...

11 of the GOP decided to continue the destruction of the USA by raising the credit card limit for the deadbeat government.

These people will do anything to keep the gravy train running at full steam, even kill their own grandparents.

Name one GOP member in the congress or senate who says the "vaccines are bad"... Sure, i'll wait.




The end game of all this is economic destruction. There is simply no other feasible reason as to why this would be done when any reasonable person can see it will cause serious issues to the economy and justify absolute tyranny by the US government (federal, state and local). Chaos is what they want for 2022 and beyond.
Mosaik
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@ JPG

Re Biden speech: Ugh!

What strikes me, though, is also his emphasis on unions. His whole speech seems to be geared to presenting himself and his family as working-class heroes and union men. Plenty of tear jerking in the speech. Ugh.

The Biden administration has big labor on board with legislation, the PRO Act, whose ostensible purpose is to make it easier for workers to unionize. No problem with that IMO (after unions and union shops were basically destroyed, but that is a digression here).

Another aim of the act is to prevent companies from mislabeling actual employees who work for them exclusively as independent contractors because the companies are illegally avoiding paying benefits for these employees. Typical example: gig workers for companies such as Uber. Also a lot of small construction businesses in, say, Massachusetts. OK, fair enough, if the person works full-time for one guy. Most workers can cough up a few more clients to meet the "multi-client" part of the IRS's definition.

"Biden's" legislation is the PRO Act. Protecting the Right to Organize of 2021.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-cong....

This act is designed to favor big business over small. An online search for "PRO Act" gives a number of hits that discuss this, such as

https://www.rstreet.org/pro-act/?
and many more.

The act also makes it very much more difficult for independent contractors to continue to function. And this is my reason for bringing this up.

Its definition of an IC veers sharply from that of the IRS. The act contains three "prongs," A, B, and C. Two of the prongs, A and C, comport with standard definitions used by the IRS.

But Prong B is utterly absurd and designed to shut hundreds of thousands of ICs down. According to the B prong, one may not work as an IC in a company where one's skill set is the main business of the company. WTF? If you are an engineer, you cannot work as an independent contractor for a company whose primary product is engineering. There are many, many highly skilled people who have multiple clients in the same sector as their expertise and "product." There are also many sectors where the use of ICs is so ingrained that it is difficult to imagine how they will function without being able to add on extra workers, say at certain points in the work cycle, etc. Many companies that have plenty of employees still use ICs in various types of circumstances. Probably a lot of people who comment here are ICs.

Of course, one reason people prefer to be ICs is that they escape a lot of problems and BS by finding their own clients and running their own little businesses. ICs can also use the tax code to gain advantages that the Big Boys want to save for themselves.

In states that have introduced this Prong B type of law to bring all workers under control, many freelancers have lost work because the client was afraid of running afoul of these requirements. This happened in California.

The communications sector, including publishing, is one that is dependent on freelancers for copyediting, design, proofreading, translation, typesetting, even a lot of production editing is down "out-house" so to speak.

Many editorial freelancers who live in California have found that California clients no longer send them work.

Proponents of the legislation assert that it will not hurt freelancers.

https://newrepublic.com/article/161820/p....

But that is just another lie. Here is a brief message I got (on a freelancer list-serv) in response to posted New Republic link, plus some info:

Quote: "Unfortunately, this isn't true. A lot of Pro-Union groups are placing articles to make it look as though this won't affect freelancers. The ASJA [American Society of Journalists and Authors] consulted with lawyers and filed suit against the state of CA over it. No matter what they say, this *is* like the mess in CA.

If you want more info, go to the FB Group where they have Fact Sheets about it all: https://www.facebook.com/groups/fightfor....
End of quote.

When they sent a second round of stimmie money I couldn't help thinking they were trying to disincentivize workers from returning to work so as to put more pressure on employers to increase wages (which they have done) and also maybe to apply pressure connected in some way with the PRO Act.

It just looks to me as though "Biden" is trying to make it more and more difficult for individual citizens to find ways to support themselves independent of oversight of various types. I think the unions are being used to sideline more and more non-unionized work and force more workers into "controlled" settings. I am a big advocate of unions---but not for me and the work I do (actually there was a union at Time Inc, back in the day, but when push came to shove they did not go to bat for me).

Bottom line: I am suspicious of Biden's sudden love of labor and unions. Labor was, obviously, totally screwed under Clinton via offshoring. I think there is an ulterior agenda to Biden's Labor Love and harping on labor in a speech where he doubles down on the vax mandate seems to support this. They want to gain control over all workers and Prong B in the PRO Act is a little piece of that.
Many workers, if they lose jobs to jabs, will have to find a way to function as ICs. Mama Biden doesn't want this!
Plus, **no one can force ICs to get a jab.**
Another bone in the Biden outfit's craw.

Sorry if this is a bit disjointed. I didn't mean to write so much.


Ahhz
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Edwardteach wrote..
I see Iceland has now been added to the list of countries suspending the use of Moderna, but in this case for EVERYONE, not just under 30s.


Looks like this arc of the pendulum swing is slowing and may soon reverse and swing back. If they see the Moderna mRNA vax as bad, it may not be long before they see the other brands of essentially the same mRNA stuff as bad too.

An now that one, then another and then several more countries have found the intestinal fortitude to say NO, expect more to follow. It will be interesting to see what other countries do to counter this. Travel bans? Economic sanctions? Biden declaring them terrorist states/the new axis of evil?


Be funny as hell to watch a #VexxedMeToo movement start up.



Mosaik
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"For the elite to stay elite, they need a strong middle classes to protect them from the masses."

True.
Nedpuddleman
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Update on my family's situation with the mandates......

My wife had her exception approved. It's good for 6 months or so they say. I'm sure her company will have layoffs soon and she's likely going to be on the list. But at least that should mean severance and she's looking for another job anyway.

I was in the process of asserting my exception and was told that because I work remotely I didn't have to. And I have it in writing. Then a few days ago I got an email from the personnel department that I hadn't logged my vaccination information. I've been put on some kind of **** list. For amusement, I clicked on the link. It said on the website that your participation is mandatory if you fall under the vaccine policy or if you want to get paid for your time getting the jabs. Otherwise it is optional. The policy applies if I want go into one of the offices or have any face to face meetings. I don't and haven't in years. So cutting my building access off isn't a big deal to me. I welcome it. I consider any medical information as private so I didn't log anything on the website.

The deadline is Monday. I suspect that things will get ratcheted up after Monday. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't say the policy suddenly applies to me and the exemption time has expired. Time will tell.

I like my job but that has taken a hit since all this came out. I find myself only motivated to do the minimum to get by. It would be nice to keep the income coming until Christmas and then take the winter off when it all hits the fan.

I'm also still searching for a new doctor. Narrowed it down to 2. Plan to go see both and then make a decision.
Erj
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Probably a good day to Short Moderna stock.

Iceland and Sweden halting use.
Blanca
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My niece can't work at her California hospital job because she won't get jabbed. She couldn't file a religious exemption because there was no form and also no one knew where she should send it. Catch-22?

It's all good. It's the Democrats who are evil right? If only there were more Republicans none of this would have happened. Let's see, what were the Republicans doing for the last month? Worrying about extending the debt ceiling? What if they all refused to raise it until Biden removed his vex mandates? Gutless.

How much support to a corrupt system can be expected from me when my family members are denied jobs due to their vex status? I expect more of my family members to be canned soon.

Jc3
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"people will start to question and doubt EVERYTHING the medical establishment has been pushing for the past 30 years."
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Should've started questioning LONG before now.

On job vs. lab rat:
Remaining quiet, slow-working, procedure-following, and IF pushed to choose being a lab rat to keep working then SAY NOTHING of your plans whatever they are.
Want to demand exemption? Go ahead.
Don't want to? Go ahead.
MAKE THEM FIRE YOU, get audio(at least) and video also if possible. My pocket-sized example with a piece of electrical tape put over the red "RECORD" LED:
https://zoomcorp.com/en/us/video-recorde....
All of this mandating by employers will destroy them as smart folks will be gone. Hard for any business to survive brain and quantity loss while expecting the remaining vexxed and incompetent to keep them afloat. There's motto on my cube wall here above my computer monitors:

"A bad manager can take a good staff and destroy it, causing the best employees to flee and the remainder to lose all motivation".

Substituting "An experimental injection mandate" leaves results the same:

"An experimental injection mandate can take a good staff and destroy it, causing the best employees to flee and the remainder to lose all motivation"

@Handyone55 a special bottle of beverage has been purchased to open and drink from WHEN such occurs. You need not fear them or what they may do unless you helped eject them from a career they loved and gave 1000% for OR promoted the propaganda machine pushing these clot shots.
Erroldo
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After 28 yrs as an engineer doing CPU manufacturing and storage device driver development and architecture, learn that company will implement osha rule on the mandate once it is revealed. If the weekly test is part of it, then I will stay employed as long as it is bearable, but no vax. If only vax will do, then I am unemployed after 28yrs for the first time. It is disheartening for many of us here who have to walk away because some govt want to force chemicals in our body against our will.
Imhotep
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re: Moderna jabs

I've talked about my neighbor here before...she got jabbed earlier in year and not long after, had swollen lymph nodes, went to hospital and had high heart rate where they wouldn't let her leave (she said she didn't feel bad, but something was wrong). Well, we went to a concert last night and she was telling us she's been going to the hospital and seeing breast cancer specialists...has something going on that they can not figure out. Some say it's cyst, some say it's a worrisome mast and there was something else she mentioned. Don't think it was cancerous, but did say it was wrapped around nodes or something similar.

All this came about this year after the jab. At first, the docs were considering linking it to the jab...most recent visit she said they seemed to not even mention/think about it being associated with the jab. She knows it was the jab and I told her those specialists have probably been told not to even bring up jabs being a possibility over the past month or 2.

This **** is crazy. F these demons pushing this **** on people. She chose to get it, but was basically lied to about everything about it (and would have had to get it anyways as she works for local municipality).
Barley
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@Seektruth, you wouldn't happen to be working at a company in WI, would you? I got a similar email.
Drakejax
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Superdude is on to something. We should claim the Vax mandate is racist due to disparate impact - it is hitting employed citizens so disproportionally whites. Those on public assistance of any form, and immigrants, deserve to be forced to vaccinate to - indeed they should be prioritized! Wonder how that would change the story.
Bzelbob
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@Mosaik
Quote:
Of course, one reason people prefer to be ICs is that they escape a lot of problems and BS by finding their own clients and running their own little businesses.

Actually I think that for some (like me), it's the *main* reason! (The avoided extra BS makes the job tolerable.)

I remember when I worked Full time for the company. It was decent drive, decent pay and benefits, private office,you did your work, minor BS now and then, etc...
Then they moved to smaller building, open office floor layout, no office, no cube, just desk, BS all the time, mandatory BS training, etc..etc..etc...
Then became an IC, could go in or not as needed and have multiple clients. Even better! Some BS still there but it could be sidestepped better.

Then covid came. Work from home. No drive. Private office, No noise, better bathroom, better toilet paper, adjust your own A/C, stress declining, find I actually get MORE work done than ever...
Now they want to people to take the clot-shot and come back to the office. To which I say...smiley

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