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Mosaik
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@Heartlander

"I KNEW ABOUT THE FETAL TISSUE INVOLVEMENT A YEAR AGO. When the vaccines were still in development. "

This is true of so many aspects of this whole charade---for those who already smelled a rat in March 2020 and started looking for other info. So many of the "new revelations" actually are old news.
To those who were already plugged into health and other online news sources and so were the "front-line" recipients of alternative viewpoints. I smelled a big rat when the CDC mandated changes in how to fill in the Blue Form ("cause-of-death portion of the death certificate).

So when the warp speed jab rolled around, no way was I going to have an experimental jab. It was "wait and see" for me.

So I waited; now I see.

My general point is that the availability of so much info to those who cared to look has lent a further air of surreality to this whole episode, where bits and pieces appear in the MSN over a year after they were known---it all just looks like tactical maneuvers. Like, in baseball, having a menu of swings to respond to different types of pitches. Just pitches and swings. No follow-up. No real conscience or just curiosity anywhere to be seen in the MSM.

I will be pleasantly surprised if the info on fetal cell lines will get anywhere. Or even the info that the Pfizer was consciously suppressing this info in order to push the vaccine mandates. Which is "political" action. It is not up to Pfizer to actively constrain Americans' medical or religious freedoms.

I do wish O'Keefe's editing were better. Why are his videos so repetitious and jumpy? It is very difficult to follow the main narrative. The same thing gets said over and over again, but in a slightly different form. I appreciate him and his work for sure, but I sure wish he had better video production.
Winesorbet
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Interesting that pilots need to be tested on a regular basis for heart disease. If there is elevated risk of heard disease from these shots then we should see that come through in these pilot medical exams. It will be hard to hide the fact that suddenly 25% of pilots are grounded due to heart disease!
Heartlander
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@Pitseleh

Pro-life Catholic here. I, too was drawn to the Catholic Church 24 years ago because of her uncompromising position on abortion. I JOINED the Church because of Jesus Christ, who is bigger than any issue, including abortion. I will STAY in the Church, by God's help, because of Jesus, and Jesus alone.

BUT... it may comfort you to know that: 1. Jesus is still prrsent in the Sacraments no matter how corrupt the clergy; and, 2.Bergoglio is NOT actually the pope. Benedict XVI's attempted resignation was canonically invalid, as more and more canon lawyers have come to see.

I really recommend Ann Barnhardt's site
https://www.barnhardt.biz/
She has thoroughly documented all this over the last few years. Bergoglio is not the pope. Benedict is.
Heartlander
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@Mannfm11
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There are a lot of religious objections beyond fetal cells. Becoming a GMO is one of them. Suicidal acts is another. Bowing to a false god, being another.


GRAND SLAM!

Thank you, sir, for THE most succinct, bullet-pount summary I have seen. I agree with you 100% on every point. I would only finesse that fourth point by saying that for me personally, I think the false religion of Covidism is actually Satanism, and that the injections are a satanic ritual -- whether any individual vaccinator or vaccinee realizes it. THAT point is what makes this issue the hill I would die on -- literally, I would die before I'd willingly let them inject me.
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Interestingly, the 'evangelicals' I know are apparently scared out of their minds at the mere thought of dying. I don't think some of them will care. Self-preservation at any cost. Others tho will go ape****...if they ever get the info.
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"And what the heck is that bit about papering over the windows when the FDA was there?
I didn't think it could possibly get much worse. I guess I might have been wildly over optimistic."

@Blackcrow It seems papering over the windows is a tried and true method for deceit, works great during the election/vote counting process, is cost effective and can be considered a form of recycling/repurposing. A trifecta in the world of the woke.
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What I don't understand is why they still need fetal cells to make vaccines. iPSC's can be made from any somatic cell using epigenetic reprogramming (cells are rejuvenated by such reprogramming and we're trying to do the same for the whole body) and those cells can be used for whatever bio-medical research to be done.

Of course the best form of cellular reprogramming doesn't use stem cells at all. This is the future of medicine:

https://clinicalepigeneticsjournal.biome....

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Mjc1960
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Months ago an email went out to the workplace I contract for asking who intended to get vaccinated. I never responded to it.
Then something about vaccination and mask wearing at work.
I rarely go there in person.
So far it hasn't been a problem.
Small employer, so far so good, lucky I guess.
They just seem to parrot the government line about masks.
Supertruckertom
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I think that many employers will not be in business 5 years from now and are able to be sued.

With that in mind, don't compromise your health.

Get your pound of flesh on the way out.

Legally of course. ;-)


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Heartlander
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@Captainkidd

One difference is that, while those products may now be occasionally tested using fetal cell lines, their existence does not DEPEND on fetal cell lines. Ibuprofen, for example, was invented without any use of fetal cells. It would exist even if no fetal cell lines were used in medical research at all.. The current Covid vaxxes, on the other hand, WOULD NOT EXIST without fetal cell lines. Their development absolutely depended on it.

Of course, there are other reasons for religious exemption, as succinctly summarized by @Mannfm11 above. Even Ann Barnhardt, who is rabid about the fetal cell lines issue, now says that the PRIMARY reason for religious exemption should be one's belief in the commandment "Thou shalt not kill." These injections are known to maim and kill in large numbers, thus getting the injection is inviting suicide or self-inflicted permanent disability. Deliberately killing or maiming oneself is a mortal sin.

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Jwm_in_sb
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That may not work because they'll claim the cdc and fda say it's safe and effective arguments devolves to the science as their propaganda claims falsely.
Heartlander
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@Captainkidd

This guy shreds the "But look at all these drugs tested on fetal cell lines!!" argument:

https://cogforlife.org/2021/05/12/lets-g....
Whitehat
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great points @Heartlander

i would not depend upon this revelation to rev up the religious right. Something tells me that people are too sold on their decisions to default to their core beliefs.

My take actually serves the cause of truth for a potentially more salient response. Once people are finally shook up to the reality, expect this to be one more thing added to the list when they explode.

Nothing is more vicious than a self-deluded victim looking for someone else to blame.

Years from now: BOOM.

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Captainkidd
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If I were forced to try to get a 'Religious Exemption' I would follow @tickerguy's advice.

I would not REQUEST it....
I would DECLARE that I'm taking it.

And no reason, doctrine, or scriptural support is required by law.

The assumption that it is true and valid is specified by law to be the employer's response.

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Sonoran_monk
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Gee, I don't remember seeing this on the CDC's list of ingredients.

Shocker. What else?

"Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied."
Heartlander
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@Captainkidd

Another difference between the vaxxes and the common drugs speciously and cynically listed by people who don't actually give a **** about aborted babies is that vaccines actually CONTAIN residues of the fetal cells.

Dr. Theresa Deisher, who has devoted her career to ethically produced vaccines, discovered that all vaccines produced using fetal cell lines CONTAIN FETAL DNA.

https://www.modernghana.com/news/933144/....

I have never been able to figure out how to link to a pdf document, but if you do a search (not on Google, of course) for "Deisher fetal DNA", one of the first things that comes up is a pdf of testimony by Dr. Deisher at bioethics.georgetown.edu.
In that document, you see that the PACKAGE INSERT of the vaccines themselves admit the presence of fetal material IN THE VACCINE ITSELF.

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The package insert for the MMR II vaccine (mumps, measles, rubella) states : MERUVAX* II (Rubella Virus Vaccine Live), the Wistar RA 27/3 strain of live attenuated rubella virus propagated in WI-38 human diploid lung Fibroblasts, but doesnt tell you that contaminating DNA from the
WI-38 propagation strain is found in the final product. The package insert for Varivax, a chickenpox vaccine, states that the vaccine contains residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and protein, but how many parents or grandparents, let alone pediatricians and pharmacists, would know that MRC-5, or WI-38, is a cell line derived from an aborted fetus, and that the contaminating DNA and protein listed on the package insert is the DNA and
protein of an aborted fetus.


Need I even say it? There AIN'T no fetal DNA in aspirin or benadryl or any of the other drugs those jerks are trying to play "gotcha" with. Vaccines are an entirely different case.

Bakerv
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@Whitehat "Years from now: BOOM."

I suggest that at the speed things are moving, it feels to me that months are compressed into days at this point, that your "BOOM" may be much sooner than later.
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The boom won't be years...probably sooner.
Montanagoose
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@Mannfm11

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There are a lot of religious objections beyond fetal cells. Becoming a GMO is one of them. Suicidal acts is another. Bowing to a false god, being another.


Also, animal testing. Where is PETA when you need them?
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I would be very surprised if this has much of an effect on Evangelicals. This very issue has been discussed in pro-life Catholic circles since the first jabs were going into the arms of medical personnel. The Vatican, months ago, issued a document that said that for a grave enough reason, it can be morally permissible to avail oneself of a vaccine that is tainted by abortion. This doesnt mean that its a sin to disagree (though many bishops would have us believe that it is). The same document also affirmed that vaccination must be voluntary, which is, most often, conveniently glossed over. Some bishops in the US have gone so far as to forbid their priests from giving support to religious exemptions. Obviously, these guys should lose whatever support that they still enjoy, because they are wolves in sheeps clothing, but they have succeeded in blunting any effect that Catholic pro-lifers could have had on this. I hope the Evangelicals have more luck, but the way to argue against this tyranny is what this blog argues: individuals need to be given all relevant information so they can make an informed choice, and it should be absolutely forbidden to minors. Every other argument is secondary. I also recommend Ann Barnhardt.
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i can understand the difference of opinion regarding the "BOOM." However, keeping people in a sense of urgency is a pressure tactic which keeps them stuck not able to see or plan for future activities. Expecting the end of the world tomorrow is just as dangerous, if not more, than not being prepared for it.

Remember my 2 percent rule. If it has that little chance of happening or less, do not plan for it but for more probable things.

The "BOOM" might in this particular case/reaction and related might be more of a long emergency.

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now says that the PRIMARY reason for religious exemption should be one's belief in the commandment "Thou shalt not kill."


Well I'm not going to be able to follow that one.
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Fetal cells aren't the only ones being used for COVID19 research folks. A Black history lesson for all y'all...

"So-called "Hela cells" have led to groundbreaking treatments with everything from cancer to HIV. Even now, scientists are using those very cells to study COVID-19."

https://abc7ny.com/covid-vaccine-henriet....


This made the news in India a few months before the above ABC report came out.

"Henrietta Lacks' cells were used to carry out research for the first polio vaccine, for in-vitro fertilization, for cancer, and most recently for studying the effects of SARS-CoV replication in the human body."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-new....


Her Wiki is the ultimate rabbit hole...especially the 'medical and scientific research' and 'consent issues and privacy concerns' sections. 11,000 patents using her cells without her or her family's consent.

Start with the Medical and Scientific Research section. :)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henriett....


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Actually it's murder, not kill.

Kill is a government substitution game. The original and factual is best translated into English as murder.

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If we even get a boom...


These people have been getting away with this for decades, why is this time any different?

Will people suddenly care because American's are dying instead of just people in the middle east? Families of soldiers have watched their loved ones die for decades, hasn't changed ****.

What about the Hillary boom? Epstein boom??

Instead we have more corruption now than ever before.

This **** isn't going to stop, least of all blow up for anyone but the plebes.

OSHA is already looking at mandatory vaxx requirements for all employees regardless of company size. They double down because they know they will win, they (both parties) always have and always will until we are either dead or destitute (as that appears to be the goal).

We'll keep electing the same parties into office and going down the same road that they have paved for over 40 years. No boom, no revolution, no change, just more lies and controlled opposition.


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