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Quantum
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@Anicolici
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I live in a commie state (WA). Our company is >100 employees but our owner is anti-vax and employees such as myself are wondering how he's going to resist given the fines.


It seems a first pass at this is to simply make it pretty easy to grant religious exemptions. There are probably a large number of staff who have gotten vaccinated, anyway, so the number who would need the exemption is limited. It doesn't appear there's much movement on the OSHA mandate, so for now it's soft coercion to induce businesses to do it on their own.

Bluto
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@Quantum

So The Xiden regime is trying to usurp the plenary legislative power of Congress to make laws, by stating they will issue a mandate but failing to actually issue one (which will get quickly overturned in the courts anyway), in order to get private companies to do their bidding?

Sounds like a unholy marriage of fascism (the real type-- not "orange man bad" type) and "conspiracy to deprive rights under color of law", which is a federal felony.

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@Mannfm11 I've already stopped going to the doctor. Haven't been in 4 years. I do get yearly bloodwork which I interpret the results on my own (imagine that), but I even question the value of that.

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@Bluto, just think what would happen, if people scored some heroin and died of cancer without them? They never have been any good at curing diseases. I have Medicare, just in case I break my ass.

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@Thegreatunwashed: everyone has a price it seems.
I hope we see the seriousness of what the govt is doling with this mandate. And no meaningful opposition.
Public holdouts who have the ears and eyeballs. Stand up and cave. Tyson, Wiggins. What does that do to those of us of much lesser financial means holding out? At some point we cave? Then they win.
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@Erroldo
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Stand up and cave. Tyson, Wiggins. What does that do to those of us of much lesser financial means holding out? At some point we cave? Then they win.

He wasn't even facing losing his career or entire salary ($31,579,390), he just couldn't the home games and games in NYC against the Knicks & Nets. His sacrifice would have been getting by on ~$15 million from a part-time job the next 12 months.
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And a rather poor trade too IMHO.

His income goes to ZERO if he gets hit by myocarditis or some clotting disorder; that takes him out of professional sports permanently. So does Tyson.

The odds? Nobody really knows what the TRUE odds are -- we know they're lying, but not how badly.

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Bakerv
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A man has to do what a man has to do. Wiggins made a choice. Don't really care as it was his choice to make. Guy probably has enough cash to walk away already but who am I to know.

He obviously put more value on earning money for his family than on being there for them in the long haul. That's a choice being made everyday by millions. That makes me sad but it is of no relevance to me other than a momentary passing of emotion.

The world is at war on more fronts than any of us know but we know it is at war.

There will be many who give up, many who will fight.

There will be many who will die and many who survive.

I've been blessed at fifty-seven to have lived this long. Every day beyond this one, every moment beyond this one is a gift. Some see those moments as worth fighting for. Some don't.

Take deep breaths, hold onto those you love, relish each moment you steal from the worms and if you decide to take a stand do it with every fiber of your being.

Make them remember you.

Just another day in the Thunderdome.
Bigbuzzle
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I question if all of these high profile people who are "caving" are actually in fact. It is no secret that many US government agencies are paying "social influencers" to speak favorably about the shots, and I have witnessed so many people obviously do a 180 in regards to their opinion on the shots. Would it surprise anyone to find out that the FDA secretly was paying many of these high profile people to "cave" at least publicly, and yet never be vexxed, or maybe the payout is so big that they actually "cave"?
Homer
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@Bigbuzzle, or they pay someone to squirt the vax into the trash and give them the card for "proof".
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@Bluto

I've already stopped going to the doctor. Haven't been in 4 years. I do get yearly bloodwork which I interpret the results on my own ...

Reason: accidentally posted
Thegreatunwashed
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@Bluto
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I've already stopped going to the doctor. Haven't been in 4 years. I do get yearly bloodwork which I interpret the results on my own .. .

I live in one of the several states in which getting your own bloodwork is illegal! I actually take a several hours drive to a neighboring 'purple' state to get bloodwork done thru Life Extension Foundation.
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A man has to do what a man has to do. Wiggins made a choice. Don't really care as it was his choice to make.

I guess you can call it a choice. If someone sticks a gun in your face and you hand him your Wallet, you sorta chose to hand him your wallet rather than resist or call his bluff, but not too many people would call that a choice. In a civil court room, the guy with the gun would probably be required to return the wallet, since the choice was made under duress.

In Wiggins' case, what was he really facing? Not loss of his job. He literally didn't last one missed home game. He could have opted to get stabbed at any point, even 6 months from now with his team headed to the playoffs and further data showing the side effects risk is less than folks like us imagine.

What MAY happen, what I'm really hoping for, is Kyrie Irving and other holdouts receiving STANDING OVATIONS on visiting teams home courts.

F**k you, Wiggins.
Itom72
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This business about Wiggins reminds me of a conversation I had a couple of weeks ago with a neighbor. Guy told me he spoke out against the vaccines more loudly than anyone at his place of work - and then he went ahead and rolled up his sleeve anyway because he only has six more years to retirement and he didn't want to screw that up.

******n it all!

Put your money where your mouth is - literally!

Don't open your damned pie hole unless you intend to put up or shut up when the time comes.

In the words of Macbeth:

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Toddmeister
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@Itom72 Neighbor will be lucky to live long enough to make retirement. Or he may end up on disability before then.
Itom72
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@Toddmeister

Doesn't help that the guy is obese, and that his idea of exercise is riding around on his Harley. Even if he makes it long enough to claim his gold-painted watch, he likely won't be in any position to enjoy his retirement.
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I suspect those who scream and shout about not getting the vaxx as a mandate of employment and then later fold do so because they lack a solid ground upon which to stand. They are not "true believers," so to speak. There is a saying, "Believing is doing." I think that is 100 percent on the money in the context of getting or not getting the jabb.

For the person who folds, I suspect the thinking process goes along the lines of

"I will roll the dice that I will not have an adverse reaction or injury. I have to provide for my family. If I don't get the vaxx, I lose my job and we will be in financial difficulty (worst case bankrupt and homeless). I worked too hard to lose everything I worked for. I don't know anyone who has been hurt by the vaxx so I am not sure I believe the hype/ stories." And sometimes, "I know the vaxx is bad, but that won't be me."

Then there are the folks who have seen first hand the trail of damage left behind by the vaxx. They have had COVID and have natural immunity. They are the ones thinking about risk/ benefit, likelihood of contracting COVID, survival rates, access to early treatment protocols and so forth. They are people who have a basis for medical and/or religious exemption.

The thought process is "The risk of the vaxx is greater than the risk of contracting COVID. That could be me in terms of vaxx injuries, disabilities and death. There are no animal studies and no long term study data, The vaxx loses its effectiveness in 4-6 months. The vaxx does not prevent infection, transmission or spread. I can get COVID vaxxed or unvaxxed and with the vaxx I have the added risks of consequences from the vaxx itself. And the list goes on."

It is not easy walking away from a job one loves. It is not easy walking away from financial security. But I look at it from the standpoint that if one doesn't have his/her health, one does not have anything. I would think a family and kids would rather live in poverty and have their mom or dad alive and well and there with them than have a funeral memorial and past memories. If someone becomes badly disabled from the vaxx, they won't be working and they won't be a functioning member of the family anyway.

In one sense, the COVID mandates are revealing what folks are made of - faith or fear, courage or coward, eternal or temporal focus, character and principles or not. We are living in a time of mass deception and mass delusion. On a spiritual level, I think COVID and the vaxx are a test - some are passing with flying colors and others are failing badly.
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Exactly.

If your health is ruined you may as well go suck-start a shotgun, especially if you had a family to provide for; now you're ****ed and in fact it's worse than being dead because now you're a cost instead of an income source and your family doesn't get the life insurance!

There is ALWAYS of course the risk that the disease will get you. But that's not certain; you MIGHT NOT get infected. You have to EXPECT you will, but you cannot plan for the WHEN. I got 18 months which allowed me to be prepared for it with appropriate meds. If I had been a fat-ass I had 18 months to improve my metabolic profile and better my risk. If the jab was a one-off and durable then it would be a LOT easier calculation to justify. But when it isn't, and they're lying about the adverse "you're ****ed" rate of events it is no longer a one-time roll of the dice.

If you make ENOUGH throws of the dice EVENTUALLY you are going to roll a "1". It is a CERTAINTY. It might be REASONABLE to take the risk ONCE, but to do so repeatedly with utterly no assurance when you can stop is flat-out insanity.

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Whitehat
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Susanlauren and Karl made excellent points in the last two comments. Ditto on all of them.

Would like to add that character is very complex as those standing against the vexxine might be doing so for various reasons and in various ways not all admirable. How many of the refusers are doing so for societal principles? The corruption game just got a little too personal for some.

Sad to say that a lot of the woke crowd doing it for reason of protecting others, as warped as the logic is, might be better people suffering for good and misused intentions.

One can understand how people cannot grok the risk to themselves. Those of us who live with chronic and sometimes miserable conditions learn two things. One, most people cannot fathom what our lives are like or understand what we try to describe to them in terms of the symptoms and affect on all aspects of life and family especially those unrelated to health. Another problem is that the vast majority of us get very good at hiding, compensating and getting through life without affecting others. These two aspects mean that people have very little clue as to what it means to wreck one's health. Even when they see it, they have a disbelief for themselves partially reinforced by the notion that modern medicine fixes it for those of us who deal with stuff (no it does not), and thus will do so for them.

If they have a problem with the vexxine, there will be some treatment for them in their paradigm. This is a belief that helps them get through the day and deal with so many things that they cannot control such as weight on the standard American diet. People know unconsciously that there is something wrong, however cope by giving up responsibility to those who will deal with it for them.

The bifurcation in society happened long before this crisis. There are those who wish to face reality and deal with it, challenging all assumptions, and those who do not.

Once a person accepts that there are not fixes for situations, he is forced to start looking at his responsibility to tease apart why he is where he is, and it grows into all things.

This is our greatest battle in alternative health. A person must become personally accountable for everything he does and abandon a life of assumptions. Then it spills over into everything else he assumed would be decided and done for him, especially things over which he draws a bad lot. This is too much for most people.

Deal with reality or reality will deal with you.

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Whitehat wrote..
Even when they see it, they have a disbelief for themselves partially reinforced by the notion that modern medicine fixes it for those of us who deal with stuff (no it does not), and thus will do so for them.

If they have a problem with the vexxine, there will be some treatment for them in their paradigm.


Yes, it is my belief that this is one of the main motivators Team Vexx members have for wanting everyone to get the vexxine. If they chose poorly and something goes wrong, they will posit that the more people on Team Vexx, the more effort and resources will be spent to 'fix' the problem.

Case in point was the AIDS epidemic. Early on it scared the hell out of people. Later when research showed it was primarily a problem for gay men and IV drug users, people in my area didn't think much about it anymore. Hell, in my university dorm the AIDS acronym was later jokingly referred to as: Anally Inserted Death Sentence.

Research went on but probably not at the pace it would have if everyone was at risk.



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@Hungrylion

That obituary makes me tear my hair out.
If she KNEW the vaccine was risky, why the HELL did she take it?
It says she wanted to be involved in her daughters' lives.
You can't be involved when you're DEAD.
Finally, it says she was devoted to her Catholic faith. What is a devout Catholic doing even THINKING about taking these vaccines which were all developed using cell lines from organs taken from aborted-alive babies?
This is all so ****ed.
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I think that guillotines really need to make a major comeback.
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In reply to a long list of data showing that more vaxed than unvaxed were dying of Covid in hospitals in a Zero Hedge comments.
A short snarky comeback Well, theyll fix that by giving the unvaxed Remdesivir and the vaxed Ivermectin.
Got me to thinking. At first I thought it was really funny, but then I realized that doing something like that it was not at all impossible.

To me anyway, very large corporations are like Super Organisms or emergent intelligences. They only have 1 goal, profit. Profit is good, loss is bad. So for the hospital conglomerate sick people are good, healthy people are bad. Expensive ineffective drugs are good, cheap effective drugs are bad. Making people healthy with cheap drugs is very bad. Making people chronically sick and needing expensive drugs is very good.

This is connected to compliance, defiance and a total lack of solidarity.
The HSO (Hospital Super Organism) is really quite simple and amoral. Profit is good loss is bad, and human emotions are messy and unpredictable.
Thats why the HSO thinks the vaccine mandate is good. It gets a work for that is 100% compliant and uniform. And, the defiant and nonconforming people are gone.

The only thing that could possibly counter this HSO is labor solidarity or a union. The US now has in most places no labor laws. The corporation can fire you at any time for any reason. This is where the vaxed both voluntary and coerced have made a great mistake in not supporting the unvaxed.
If all employees of a HSO from Doctor on down or Nurse or even Support Staff on down walked out at the first termination for non-compliance with the vaccine mandate it would fail. But, there is no solidarity, only individuals leaving one by one.

And, what the compliant may not realize is that it will not end with just the 2 jabs. There will be booster shots and other drugs. And, soon an implanted microchip. From the POV of the HSO the implanted microchip would be perfect. Real time data on all employees and an ID card on a chip. You fall out of compliance and you are blocked from entering the company and your salary direct deposited to the bank stops.
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When does Gampy get ****ed by a horse on live teevee??

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Not soon enough.

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