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Tsherry
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None of the staff at our office who had the Jab are remotely interested in JabV2.0, my daughter included it seems.

But they did get their flu shots. Go figure.
Bluto
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Shingles seem to be a VERY common side effect of the clot shot. Possibly the first of many nasty side effects. How is their immune system going to perform in the future???

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Drnull
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@Kareninca
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But I'm not sure how that is consistent with [reference to https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/faqs]

The move by the Biden administration to use OSHA to mandate the jab has been in the works for a while... check out the change to the OSHA Coronavirus FAQ back on May 21 (shortly after your ENR article...

OLD: https://web.archive.org/web/202105202001....
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Q: Are adverse reactions to the COVID-19 vaccine recordable on the OSHA recordkeeping log?

A: In general, an adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is recordable if the reaction is: (1) work-related, (2) a new case, and (3) meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7 (e.g., days away from work, restricted work or transfer to another job, medical treatment beyond first aid).

Q: If I require my employees to take the COVID-19 vaccine as a condition of their employment, are adverse reactions to the vaccine recordable?

A: If you require your employees to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (i.e., for work-related reasons), then any adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is work-related. The adverse reaction is recordable if it is a new case under 29 CFR 1904.6 and meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7.

Q: I do not require my employees to get the COVID-19 vaccine. However, I do recommend that they receive the vaccine and may provide it to them or make arrangements for them to receive it offsite. If an employee has an adverse reaction to the vaccine, am I required to record it?

A: No. Although adverse reactions to recommended COVID-19 vaccines may be recordable under 29 CFR 1904.4(a) if the reaction is: (1) work-related, (2) a new case, and (3) meets one or more of the general recording criteria in 29 CFR 1904.7, OSHA is exercising its enforcement discretion to only require the recording of adverse effects to required vaccines at this time. Therefore, you do not need to record adverse effects from COVID-19 vaccines that you recommend, but do not require.

Note that for this discretion to apply, the vaccine must be truly voluntary. For example, an employees choice to accept or reject the vaccine cannot affect their performance rating or professional advancement. An employee who chooses not to receive the vaccine cannot suffer any repercussions from this choice. If employees are not free to choose whether or not to receive the vaccine without fearing adverse action, then the vaccine is not merely recommended and employers should consult the above FAQ regarding COVID-19 vaccines that are a condition of employment.

Note also that the exercise of this discretion is intended only to provide clarity to the public regarding OSHAs expectations as to the recording of adverse effects during the health emergency; it does not change any of employers other responsibilities under OSHAs recordkeeping regulations or any of OSHAs interpretations of those regulations.

NEW: https://web.archive.org/web/202105212300....
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Q: Are adverse reactions to the COVID-19 vaccine recordable on the OSHA recordkeeping log?

A: DOL and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agencys position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.

(note, the 2nd & 3rd Q/A was removed)
Ceiii2000
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Some of you have brought up how you don't see sanity returning for this jab and these circumstances.

I think you aren't realizing things big enough. Medical mandates are now a thing. They won't ask what you think ever again. You will be told which supplements you can and can't take. You will be treated for whatever they decide you have. They will tell you which vaccines you will take. WHEN they have decided this worked so well for covid it will be the flu shot and some shot for "the common cold" and the virus/bacteria/mold/fungus whatever that they just discovered is causing the latest malady of the week.
This isnt going away unless it gets so astronomically bad that only a few survive. Then, because of human nature, it really will just start over.

They = big pharma, big medicine, big gov, and all the little Karens and Kevins that will jump on the "good for society" bandwagon.
Dynastax
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An update on the data from the UK https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/05/uk-has-f....
Ugrev
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Not a defense but rather an observation:
Aspiration is a skill. Medical professionals who are not people who require such training, like anesthesiologists, will probably Aspirate and coin flip the chances of moving the needle so you go subq or IV. So many different levels of people are injecting that don't have this skill. As a side noe, the cdc doesn't recommend Aspiration:https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/acip-re....

So much more the reason to not take this. Wife had cancer and a PE. No way I'm letting any needles near her that I cannot verify as essential or she dies.
Tickerguy
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Yep.

The problem with not aspirating is that you DO NOT KNOW if you hit a blood vessel if you don't do it.

The problem WITH aspiration is that if you do it WRONG you can move the needle, and even a VERY SMALL movement can turn "its not in a blood vessel" into "yes it is."

There are many times it doesn't matter (much) in various muscle tissue; muscle is extremely well-perfused to start with and the reason you do an IM injection IN THE FIRST PLACE is exactly that -- they are typically used rather than an IV injection because the drug in question irritates the veins, and you can't use oral delivery because the digestive system destroys the drug.

IM INJECTIONS INHERENTLY ARE INTENDED TO RESULT IN THE RELATIVELY RAPID DISPERSION OF THE AGENT INJECTED INTO THE CIRCULATION. That is WHY you inject into a muscle; it is very well-perfused and thus is EXPECTED to result in a relatively rapid uptake of the agent into the circulation as a whole.

Think I'm wrong about that? Well then perhaps NURSING TIMES will convince you I'm not, and that indeed they expect DIRECT AND RAPID CIRCULATORY UPTAKE: https://www.nursingtimes.net/clinical-ar....

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Drugs administered by the intramuscular (IM) route are deposited into vascular muscle tissue, which allows for rapid absorption into the circulation

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My2pups
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@Baltgayveteran - Did you pay with Bitcoin or bank transfer?

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My2pups, alldaychemists is in Germany. Got 3 orders from them, they made it through U.S. Customs with no problems.

Retiring from USDA 2-3 years early due to jab mandate.

Want to know why this is happening? Watch "V for Vendetta". Money and power.
My2pups
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Since I joined the forum a few months ago, I have seen several people remarking that they or people they know have come down with shingles after being vaxxed. In my case, I came down with it after being with vaxxed inlaws while on vacation. I was the only unvaxxed person in the group.

Quite interested to see more info about mRNA side effects; direct from the vaxx or from shedding BY the vaxxed.

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Shingles seem to be a VERY common side effect of the clot shot. Possibly the first of many nasty side effects. How is their immune system going to perform in the future???
Tritumi
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@My2pups, I am among the cases you cite and am precisely as you, that is, unvexed but with an outbreak of what I self identified as herpes zoster oculus. I had spent a previous stressful two weeks among the jabbed and endured subsequent return stress of 20 hours of travel including 13 in air and three of government inspection upon entry. I was tested (extremely cursory and incompetently administered PCR at Dulles) and spit test upon arrival in Tokyo. Both were negative. The outbreak emerged three days into my quarantine period and lasted for about five days. I treated my symptoms with anti-inflammatories and then with some IVM and the symptoms cleared.

I accounted the outbreak to being drained but upon reading Israeli case studies, noted this symptom as a (then rare) outcome to the jabbed. At that point, I became convinced that vaccination induces spike protein or protein fragment shedding and is a danger to vulnerable unjabbed. The release of that Japan required report from Pfizer loosely admitting to that prospect subsequently emerged.

I either had Covid itself as a consequence of exposure or a side effect from exposure to the vaccinated. I had an antibody test earlier this year, negative, but not since that trip. I am concerned at the prospect of a repeat occurrence, however.

Lastly, I will add that I have a history of travel to dodgy as well as higher end spots in various Asian locales and did have a severe respiratory illness a few years ago. That developed into ARDS and was knocked out eventually with a steroid inhaler. Nasty bug, that was.
Tickergroupie
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@My2pups,
How far out from their last injection were the in-laws and how long after exposure to them did your shingles symptoms manifest?
Ugrev
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@Tickerguy
No arguments from me on IM injections. I'm fully aware of how simple diffusion works and WHY LNP's were selected as the delivery mechanism of choice... Hint Hint "lipids". I had to give my wife IM ass shots for a while and I was actually quite good at it. Never hit a BV and everything went well and results were rapid.

I had an argument with my FIL about this and I was like why do you think this is going IM? and I began to list the reasons, one of which is "you don't require a nurse to run a line" and any low level tech can do it.

I was berated in front of my MIL who IS an RN and I looked at her and was like "MIL, you know what I'm saying is true, right? " .. she wouldn't answer and that was all I needed to prove my position was correct.

So, going IV vs IM.. it all gets into the blood stream. My question is why does IV do this and NOT IM?

IV is immediate and does not require diffusion; so is there something with diffusion that mediates the issues with IV? This is the limit of my understanding and I've been trying to understand why but cannot either find the answer via searching or deduce it logically.
Tickerguy
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@Ugrev - The problem with that argument is that it is a matter of degree and, to a large extent, individual susceptibility.

When you see this sort of reaction with an IV injection and not an IM one in an animal you have a huge, ****ing screaming red flag -- the damage is PROBABLY there with the IM injection and we're now arguing over individual susceptibility, technique and harm-over-time, especially with repeated insults.

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Asimov
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Ugrev: You want it producing the spike proteins in easily replaced muscle cells, not spreading around the body and using whatever cells it happens upon instead. Like heart cells for example, probably not a good place to produce proteins that are meant to trigger your immune system.

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Mitchell2
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Hi Karl
I, like you got sick in early 2020, and I think it was the swine flue, because the sequalae were similar to my swine flu infection from 2009 -which I call 'long swine flu'. I'm still feeling the effects, which for me are Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS), I got the same in 2009 - I have to be very careful about my diet or I get excess histamines in my blood and inflammation. The sickness itself was quite mild. I thought at the time I had covid and then 'long covid' because I had similar sequelae compared to others who complained of the condition.
I got the coof in August, unvaxxed, and like about 15 others I know, passed without too much problems - for me it was about 3 days of illness followed by a few weeks of malaise. I lost smell, and the symptoms were completely different so I know it wasnt covid last year now. It was a walk in the park compared to last year's illness, because of the sequelae which still persist.
I have a hunch that there was more than one bioweapon released last year - Gail Tverberg - not sure if you know her, thinks the Swine Flu is also a bioweapon. I'm wondering if there were 2 releases? I got my infection directly from returning skiers from the initial outbreak in Italy last year.
My2pups
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@Tritumi - I remember your initial post(s) about your case. I wish I had Ivermectin to try. I had a course of antiviral pills and cream + a lot of acetaminophen. Took about three weeks to disappear.

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How far out from their last injection were the in-laws and how long after exposure to them did your shingles symptoms manifest?


I was with in-laws in Maine during the month of July. I am sure all had been double vaxxed much earlier, as they would have lined up on Day 1. My Wife, on the other hand, received 2x Pfizer in Spain (where we live). She would have had the 2nd jab in mid June, so she would be considered "fully vaxxed" by the time we landed on July 4th. So it may have been her that triggered it as of course we had the closest proximity.
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"Since I joined the forum a few months ago, I have seen several people remarking that they or people they know have come down with shingles after being vaxxed. In my case, I came down with it after being with vaxxed inlaws while on vacation. I was the only unvaxxed person in the group."

@My2pups Dr. Malone had a tweet about it today:

Shingles is the most obvious of the viral reactivation adverse event syndromes.

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/14....
Heartlander
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@Pitseleh

Thanks for tracking down the Red Cross info re: blood donations.

So it appears that if for any reason I might need surgery -- cancer, horrible car accident, whatever -- despite all my efforts to stay clear of that damn spike protein, I'm doomed to get it anyway.

Oh **** those bastards left, right, sideways and upside down.
Quantum
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@Heartlander Ivermectin deals with active infection. Some (like Adam Gaertner) suggest that serrapeptase can help with spike protein in the blood, if one ever ends up in the unfortunate circumstance of getting transfused non-autologously. Other than Gaertner, I know nothing about serrapeptase.

Heartlander
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@Kd4nl

Are you also taking the Big Four every day? Vitamin C, Vitamin D, zinc, and quercetin.

The Vitamin D is especially important now, since during the months October through April, your body cannot make enough Vitamin D from sunshine alone if you live above the 35th parallel.
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