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2021-09-27 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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Joe has no idea what's coming.

I do.

He thinks the roughly 25% of Americans who "can" get a jab but refuse for Covid-19 will be "swayed" by his order.

He's wrong; he might get a couple of percent of the 25%, but that's it.


Because playing Hitler, which is exactly what he's done (and now Kamala has done it too) not only doesn't work it pisses people off.

Those who have refused thus far fall into three broad categories:

  • They've seen others they know get the jab and have a very bad outcome.  They're unwilling because they know damn well its dangerous as they've seen it with their own eyes.  You cannot bull**** those people with "safe" since they've watched a loved one, close associate or someone in their immediate vicinity get hammered after taking it, and they're not going to put their own ass in that position.  No way, no how.  They may in fact be willing to kill anyone who tries to enforce such a mandate on them because, as they see it, taking the jab means they're dead already, so there is no downside to taking you to Hell with them.  I cannot argue with that logic.  Just last afternoon I saw an ambulance outside a local drugstore that dispenses jabs while waiting for a traffic light; the doors were open and the lights on.  That wasn't a "pleasure call" and the several hundred people who witnessed it while at that intersection knew damn well what probably happened.  Nobody who sees a life-threatening or fatal incident associated with these jabs and has more than 2 firing neurons in their head is going to allow you anywhere near them with a needle.

  • They're presumptively immune as they've had Covid-19 and recovered.  The CDC claims that, as of this point, that's 41 million Americans.  For them there is zero benefit, prospective or otherwise, to taking the jab and they know it.  Even Washington's much-ballyhooed "mandate" to take the smallpox inoculation by his troops (which killed a decent number of them, by the way) is bull**** for those individuals; Washington did not inoculate himself because he previously had smallpox and survived.  He wasn't stupid and neither are these people.  This is not a small percentage of the population; by the NEJM numbers about 20% of the US Population as of May had been infected with and recovered from Covid-19.  Today, given the "summer surge", that is very likely to be 25% or better and I would not take a bet it's less than 1 in 3 since the CDC's "tested positive" numbers exclude a huge number of people who were never tested but conclusively had Covid-19.  Incidentally, I'm among them, as I've detailed in these pages yet neither I or two other close associates are in the CDC's numbers as none of us were ever tested or saw a physician for the disease yet we all, quite-clearly, had it and recovered.  Not accounting for that is criminally insane on the part of the Administration and legally, morally and ethically unsupportable.  The "mandate" will, I predict, fail for this reason alone in the fullness of time and legal challenge.  If I can self-attest to having had chicken pox (and I most-certainly can) then there's no reason someone can't in this case.

  • They've seen others they personally know who got the jab and then got infected and hammered.  They know the claim that it "prevents severe disease or death" is bull****.  They've seen with their own eyes a close associate or family member go from no symptoms to near death in a couple of days or less and know damn well what an unvaccinated person gets when they're infected and gets hammered as we've all seen that on the TeeVee, from the punditry and in the statistics; typically you get the virus, develop symptoms and a week or more later you're in bad enough shape to go to the ER.  When someone they know, who was jabbed, goes down the ****ter in 24 hours that irretrievably blows up any claim of "effective" and raises the specter of the jab making the infection worse.  Those people are in the same bucket as the first if you try to force them to take it as they've seen what happened to someone else.

Biden's problem with these "mandates" is that both the second and third group are rapidly growing in size; every "infection" reported now, over 100,000 a day, is another person who has no reason to ever accept a jab.  Every ten days 1 million people are added to the group that have every legal, ethical, moral and medical reason to say "**** you!" to any Covid-19 jab mandate; these people got Covid-19 and survived; they have immunity and thus the jab offers them nothing.  Push them hard enough and some percentage of them may go medieval on anyone and everyone they assign blame to and no, there aren't enough cops to stop that (never mind that some cops may be among them since they've been exposed and infected as "essential workers" for the last 18 months!) if that happens.

The only remaining group of-size are the young who today cannot get the jabs due to age.  The data is quite clear; these people are at severe risk of myocarditis and other potentially-fatal side effects from the jabs and that risk exceeds, for many of them, the risk of Covid itself.  Yes, there are morbid children and teens; among them are those who stuffed their faces for years and are the size of a refrigerator, which we know greatly increases risk of a bad outcome.  But for healthy children and teens the data is clear; Covid-19 presents a negligible risk to them of serious outcome or death but that is not true for the jabs which in fact, by the data, may put 1 in a few thousand into the hospital immediately with an unknown long-term risk of heart failure -- ten times the risk of Covid-19 itself killing them.  You have to be nuts to force jabs on those people -- you'll create a whole lot of adults who may well seek vengeance if and when their kid is harmed or killed.

There are, I suspect, very few people left in the US who (1) have not taken a vaccine for Covid-19 and (2) do not fit into one of the above categories. As such a "mandate" is not only begging for serious trouble both in court and otherwise.  In short it's stupid because the vast majority of those who it can reasonably help rather than hurt on-balance have taken it already.

The problem is that this was true in May and June, the NEJM study proves that antibody prevalence was sufficient to prevent any widespread outbreak of disease as of that point provided that the vaccines actually work.  But -- the outbreak happened anyway and since we know prior infection is effective this means at best the jabs wear off and at worst the virus has mutated to be enhanced in those who got vaccinated.

You think not?  Israel was celebrating when they started Jab #3.  It was short-lived; within just a few weeks their case rate re-accelerated to the upside!  So much for that theory that "just one more" will solve the problem eh?  Tell me how this pattern does not implicate either evasion or, far worse, enhancement?

God help those who took the jab if that second scenario proves up -- and there is an increasingly-broad body of evidence that it indeed may be true and the virus is evolving to produce exactly that outcome.  If, over time that does prove up then both the Trump and Biden Administrations, along with the pharmaceutical industry and everyone involved in both deserve to be destroyed as they will have placed over 200 million Americans at severe risk of serious disease and death by placing speed, profit and stupidity ahead of logic and science.

There's no winning outcome available that has a reasonable probability of occurring when it comes to "mandates" folks.

Sorry, that's the math.

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This ought to seal the deal.
Getting the shot is Russian Roulette.

Intravenous Injection of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) mRNA Vaccine Can Induce Acute Myopericarditis in Mouse Model

Even the best shot execution must leak some of this poison into the bloodstream.
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Did you help write this Karl?
I am grateful someone did write it. It puts into one place what we've understood in bits and pieces reading here.
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Have you all seen this?

I am curious is one of "us" is Spartacus?

Hang in there guys and gals... the tide is turning be it ever so slowly!
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Excellent, as usual. Not to quibble, but there is also fourth category: Reasonably healthy individuals without the vax nor the coof that have weighed the risks: One option with relatively known risks (getting the coof) and one option with many unknowns (getting the Vax).

It's kinda like playing Russian Roulette with two guns. You know that one has a single bullet loaded. The other has between 0, 1, or 2 loaded but you do not fact, there is no evidence to prove that it has 6 bullets!

I've been a risk taker all my life. But I'm still alive because I'm not stupid.
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Yep. Those who haven't gotten the jab by now have had their position/hearts/minds hardened by these mandates.

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Personally, I'm still rooting for a good solid wave of VEI. So much so that even the dimmest bulb understands they screwed up by getting and pushing the jabs. Not to mention that the masses turn on the Govt and Pharma for pushing that toxin on everyone. Let the stupid prizes be handed out generously.

It'll be interesting to see how many companies stick to their deadlines for jabs. Especially in the healthcare arena.
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The sooner we, as a global population, realise that any medical associations for this toxic liquid, are to deflect from the real motivation - mass murder on a global scale and to buy time - the sooner we can mount a coordinated response.

These liquids were never developed to combat a virus. All scientific indicators now clearly point in this direction.
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Maybe President Dementias owners are playing what they THINK is a long game. Firing 25 percent of the population will produce a lot of hate filled people looking for revenge. Those angry people will commit crimes. Imagine attacks on the power grid in winter. Even low tech crimes like arson or 200 pounds of nails on a major highway would be devastating.

This will be a perfect excuse to declare martial law.

The rulers think this is a problem that can be managed They are right, up until all the enforcers quit to go home and protect their families. I hope our ( actual ) idiot rulers get a clue before this goes bad.
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There is also the "practical" reality of these Nazi mandates. Consider a company with 50% who have gotten the clot shot, who suddenly decides to mandate it to please Uncle Joe.

1) 5% or so will immediately retire. Good luck replacing them. Think will be eager to train their replacements, or help via phone when there is a problem? LOL

2) Another 15% or so will seek and probably get medical exemptions. Is corporate going to spend the time and money to contest every single one of those? Or just approve all the exemptions? If they choose they former, the BEST case is that they win every single time in court and spend a lot of money doing so? Worst case? They lose and get hammered in a class action suit and are forced to reimburse backpay with punitive damages. Oh, and now those 10% are incredibly pissed at having to get permission to avoid having a medical treatment forced on them.

3) Another 15% will pursue the religious exemption route. See category 2, except now add it statutoriy civil (and possibly criminal?) charges related to EEOC violations.

4) The other 15% will work with the sword of Damocles over their heads. How productive do you think they will be?

5) How eager do you think the remaining workers will be to pickup the workload of those retired/suspended/fired? Think they are going to work extra hours or harder for free?

6) Good luck with hiring new people also, since 30% or more of that pool will be disqualified from Day 1. Not only will they have trouble finding people, they will have to pay them more! A LOT more.

Percentages may vary, but you get the idea....

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Whatever happened to bowing to God, not men?
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Thank you for the encouraging analysis Karl.

From an interview with Doctors Bossche and Malone (26 Sep):

"They [unvaxxed] will eliminate a lot of virus from the population and contribute to the reduction of the infectious pressure."
"We know that the vaccinated people are NOT going to contribute to the diminishment of the infectious pressure. The only people that can do this are the non-vaccinated."

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There's no winning outcome available that has a reasonable probability of occurring when it comes to "mandates" folks.

There is also the additional factor that you have pointed out before. Anyone who does get vaccinated at this point is being coerced. How are they going to react if they develop an injury and are told it's some idiopathic problem, completely unrelated to the vaccine...?

Sling blade--in at least some instances.
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@ jcpennyinla

Im right there in the 4th group with you. But eventually we will all be in one of the 3 groups that Karl mentioned because we are all going to be in the natural immunity group eventually. Hopefully we dont end up in one of the other groups first but the upcoming fall and winter seasons will be interesting!

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How about the line worker responsibile for car brakes? What about the worker making switches ie communication ie cell and internet? Water purification anyone?

Align well friends... it's coming and as our esteemed host once again nails it, 80 million pissed people won't be stopped. As for me, I'll go to my grave (one way or another) UNVAXXED


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KD wrote..
Because playing Hitler [...] not only doesn't work it pisses people off.

It sure does, and it makes at least some of the "hesitant" even more reluctant to roll up their sleeves.
KD wrote..
There are, I suspect, very few people left in the US who (1) have not taken a vaccine for Covid-19 and (2) do not fit into one of the above categories.

My nuclear family has not taken any shots and does not fit into any of those categories.

We don't personally know anyone that got hammered by the shots. Sure, we've seen thing happen to people that we wonder about. My 88 year old father in law came down with the shingles a few weeks after his second dose. My 83 year old mother in law had to have one of her kidneys removed recently. Both got Pfizer in the spring. A 20-something friend of my daughter had to have surgery to correct an issue with one of her ovaries this summer She got Moderna in the spring. Were these ailments caused by the shots? Perhaps, but it's not possible to know that with any degree of certainty.

None of us have had a symptomatic case, so we have no reason to believe we're immune.

Lastly, we don't personally know anyone who's come down with a symptomatic case after getting the shots.

In the long run, the only way we'll ever really have a valid understanding of the safety and efficacy of these shots true is on a broad, statistical basis, and that requires a substantial control group. Given that we now know for a fact that these shots aren't particularly effective at preventing the spread of this virus, one might think that a desire remove or minimize the size of that control group is the most plausible explanation for the current full-court press to get everyone to accept these shots.

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I have a relative that's early 40's, perfect health, and is facing the mandate at Amtrak. He's really upset since he feels there's no options other than to give in since he's got a lot of years in and still a long way until he could retire. He knows the shots are really bad news as well, and rather than making it worse for him since I could asking him what's more important, your health or your job, will just stress him out more, I asked him if he has a union that should be advocating for him like the postal workers?

He's got until 11/22 to get the 2nd shot. I told him, don't even consider thinking of giving in now since he's got almost 2 months in which a lot could change between now and then.
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My brother got the jabs as he is high risk for health reasons. A risk-reward decision he and his doc made together.

A few months later, he has heart problems that he never had before. And will likely shorten his life.

The numbers keep climbing of those I know and hear who got the jabs and still got covid. Double digits now.

The economics of the madates are well-known. Economic suicide, but since when has that ever stopped marxists? It's not like they learn from experience.

I want to see how the larger populations of the unjabbed who are typical darlings of the left (e.g. minorities) are treated by the esteemed media.....will they attack them as backwards, unscientific extremists too? My guess is they will ignore them as is their custom....until election time when they need their votes.

I am also keenly interested in what we will see this fall/winter with flu season, RSV, etc. There will be a price to pay for sitting indoors, lowering Vit D, and not getting routinely exposed to pathogens as nature intended us to do.

I suspect it's going to be a long, cold winter.

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TG - I hope you don't mind a repost of a discussion from another site (instapundit open thread) talking about what this guy is seeing in his area - I thought it made pretty interesting reading - all below is the comment from 'roadgeek':

roadgeek 9 hours ago

"Where have all the workers gone? My wife and I have been discussing this, but haven't come to any firm conclusions. The whole "pays better to stay home" schtick is wearing thin; those benefits have ended in much of the country. At least one of our ideas is grim: how many of the missing workers have died after taking the needle?

I keep track of the obituaries in my home town; they're published on the radio and newspaper websites, as well as by the two funeral homes. I've noticed a dramatic uptick in deaths in the 35-65 cohort, among a general increase of deaths at all ages. I emailed the owner of the radio station, who I know casually, and he replied that while December is usually the peak month for obituaries, he forecast that he would set a new record for published obits for the month of September. The numbers of people ranging in age from 25 -65 who are dying is definitely showing a large increase. The greatest increase seems to be in those between 55-65 years of age. There's also a marked increase in the deaths of people 20-35. A great many of the deaths were "a sudden illness" and "died suddenly at home". Many of the obits are for healthy people who held responsible jobs at the time of their deaths. My wife looked at two other community newspapers in Texas, and they show the same pattern as well. People are dying in much greater numbers than normal, and not just the the elderly.

To paraphrase a great philosopher, I have theories, and if you don't like them, well, I have others.... But the increased number of deaths in all age groups above the age of 20 needs increased attention. And I cannot possibly be the only one to have noticed this."


Possibly it would be a good thing for all commenters here to start watching the obituaries in their papers to see if things are lining up some with younger folks written in there....

just a thought
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I believe that the final straw will be prohibiting air travel for the unvexxed. Of course, there may not be any healthy pilots left by then anyway die to high vex rates.
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Exceptions don't all work either. Raytheon recently laid out vaxx mandates. Medical and Religious exemptions get you a grand prize of indefinite unpaid leave. I hear Sig Sauer did the same. I expect my current workplace to do something similar. I'm hoping for a successful follow-up interview today so I can get the hell out of here.

I had some recent run ins with management and HR regarding Covid nonsense. They will enforce any corporate dictate no matter how ridiculous, dangerous, or immoral it is. They will not stand for anything except their paychecks. I wish them an interesting winter.

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Rowdypeasant, I just got done reading that. I wish he hadn't gone into the transhumanism area, but it was a really good read otherwise. Some of it is above my pay grade, but I'm sure Karl could understand it all. More to add to the circumstantial evidence of the crimes against humanity being perpetrated.
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@Mikeyinfl What's the status of Amtrak employees? Are they Title 5 federal workers?

FWIW, other federal agencies have interpreted the 'fully vaccinated by 11/22' order to mean 2 weeks past the second dose. Some agencies have sent out deadlines for first doses to meet that schedule--of course, with the J&J, the dose could be taken in early November to qualify, so that's still one month out. Hopefully something will break before then. An injunction would be nice at a minimum.
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It's unfortunate that Zero Hedge didn't pin this article, it's already fallen off their top page.
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A Pandemic of Undertreatment and Mis-Diagnosis:

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