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Aztrader
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There are two major items that were not discussed and these are the most important.
When the poll workers handed out sharpies to the republican voters, they intentionally spoiled their ballots. Since most polling places had "ballot on demand" meaning they were printed there, those ballots could have been reprinted if the voter had known their ballot was spoiled. Instead, the poll workers intentionally destroyed their vote and knew it. All should be indicted on fraud. Those ballots had to be adjudicated and we don't have the record of what the count was and how they were adjudicated and by whom. Almost 250,000 people walked in and voted in person. I was told by a poll worker that they were instructed to hand out sharpies when the polls opened and then go to pens after 11AM. Conservatives typically vote early because they have to go to work. If Dominion did the adjudicating since they were the ones with the passwords, then all of these ballots are subject to investigation.
The most important number was that the signatures on the envelopes were not audited because the BOS didn't hand over the images until 3 weeks ago. Without verified signatures, ballots are worthless. The number may have matched, but how many were frauds due to bad signatures?
The audit was incomplete due to this issue and the BOS knew that this would invalidate the audit argument. They should have been indicted on day one when they didn't obey the subpoena.
Tsherry
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Of course, @Happyapricot. But who owned (owns) the DOJ?

If OrangeManBad had done his job as an executive, he'd have fired (at least) half of the USG and replaced them with people loyal not to the executive, but to the Constitution. You do not work with people installed in their positions over an eight year period by a Communist. You fire them. Further, with Congress controlled by your party, you ram through a law banning former FedGov employees from working for lobbyists for ten years after their employment term has ended. (That'd go over like a lead balloon, but is necessary).

Any CEO taking over an enterprise does this. They're idiots if they don't. Yes, Trump was an idiot. Still is.
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@Aztrader -- None of which has anything to do with the audit, however...

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Packetcap
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There was a separate report about the vote canvass for Maricopa or one of the other counties. I think it said close to 250,000 ballots with poor or no legitimacy, and major problems.

Here in California the state polls can now scan the bar code of a Real ID driver's license for address verification and lookup. This isn't required though.

We can do the following and eliminate just about all the fraud in our election system:

- Flush all voting rolls every four years nationwide
- voter registration requires Real ID card and documentation
- no post office box or business address locations for "residence" allowed
- No mail in ballots
- No absentee ballots
- no ballot drop off points
- One weekend of voting, Saturday through Tuesday only
- serial number and watermarked ballot
- no breaks in counting
- blue ink on finger on polling place exit, no revoting at another place possible
- NO VOTING MACHINES. paper ballot only filled out in ink. machine tabulation ok with proper controls

I'm sure there is more that can be done. ACLU will scream and howl. Let them and stand firm.
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I have only one minor quam with this magnificent summary of the Maricopa audit: < What was not proved was that Trump won.>

While this is technically true in the strictest, legal sense, there cant be a doubt in anyones mind that what went down on November 3/November 4th was a gigantic hoax and fraud.
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Forensics, @Thegreatunwashed is not about what you BELIEVE.

It's what you can PROVE.

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Aztrader
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Actually, you can't count legal ballots without signature verification. Thanks to the BOS withholding that information, the audit couldn't reveal how many ballots were frauds because they couldn't match up signatures on the envelopes. That is wire the Senate called the audit incomplete.
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It doesn't matter in this case however @Aztrader because once separated from the envelope you can't disentangle the bogus from the valid, thus you can't back out the bogus ballots.

So the findings are in fact sufficient; no amount of investigation reaches a greater result (e.g. more-certain.)

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Brewmaster
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@TG And they knew exactly what they were doing! Besides the few lone rangers, they are ALL in on it (R's and D's!). Nothing to see here.
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But that's immaterial.

Trump knew all this before the election. Therefore, once he determined it had happened, ASSUMING he believed it, then you either (1) give up or (2) go to war.

"**** other people who allegedly support you", if YOU do that, is (1) a dick move and (2) marks you as someone who should never get so much as oxygen to breathe.

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Cmoledor
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So with all this coming to light, what is the next step? Start shooting? Stop paying taxes? Stop voting? Move to South America? I dont know where we go from here when the entire system needs blown up. Ugh. My jadedness is kicking in hard today. Starting another party isnt the answer as we know what happens to the new party. It gets absorbed by the beast. Where do we go from here? Im asking because I truly want to know. Sure we have the right to break our chains of slavery. But how without winding up dead or in prison for life?

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Sonoran_monk
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Trump suspected there was going to be fraud before the election, didn't prevent it from happening, claimed it happened, provided no remedy for the fraud, and then left anyway. Who needs a cowardly loser like that?

The reports that he's going to try again in 2024 are beyond laughable. I suppose the fundraising opportunity is just too great for him to pass up.
Kevin_j
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I helped with the last election in Canada, and so I can tell you the process we used:

a) Anyone who wants to watch the votes get counted is welcome to do so. Elections Canada also contacts people who they know or suspect might be interested to let them know this is an option.

Before then, however, during voting hours, political parties are permitted to send volunteers to watch any polling place in the country, and any independents can send them to any polling place in their district.

Party representatives are given paperwork by Elections Canada to report anything we see we consider suspicious, and Elections Canada is required to keep the representatives and parties informed of of all investigations.

b) Once the last person votes, everyone who's staying for the count hands in any device which can be used to communicate with the outside world, and the location is locked: no one is allowed in or out until the entire process finishes. The only communication permitted is the election officials relaying the results to Elections Canada, in full presence of all who are there.

c) No poll can start the count without at least two people present to do the counting; and if this means that they lack people to count all polls, then they have to wait. Since most polling places have multiple polls, this sometimes results in delays counting some of the polls, especially if the representatives of all the parties decide to stick together. Some where I was weren't started until midnight, but this is a reasonable security feature.

d) There is always a second count. We count once with the ballots facing up showing who voted, and then again facing down showing the signature on the back. These totals are then compared to the total number who voted, and any discrepancies with these numbers means the entire process starts again.

e) Only once the polling place has finished counting and reported all of the results is anyone allowed to check the news to find out how the election is going. At about 12:30 in the morning when we finished counting and eagerly checked the news to see the results: to discover that in the three and a half hours we spent counting the election had been decided.

f) Any violation of any of the above risks voiding the election results if anyone catches it, and since literally anyone is permitted to watch if they want, there's a very good chance someone will catch any and all irregularities.

This is a fairly secure process, allows results to be posted at a reasonable hour, and works reasonably well in practice. Having been involved in the process as a rep for the PPC (People's Party of Canada; hated and despised by most the political class here), I feel comfortable to say that this process keeps fraud well controlled. Frankly, I rather suspect that the problems in the US are because your politicians like fraud. Given how straightforward it is to set up a good system, and that literally right next door we have one, I can't think of any other reasons why the US would stick with such a poorly managed and easily rigged system...
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Cmoledor wrote..
Sure we have the right to break our chains of slavery. But how without winding up dead or in prison for life?
Or you become the aggressor, and win and don't wind up dead or in prison. You become free, again.

People who win their freedom don't win it by fighting from a defensive stance. (Founding Fathers)

These NAZIs are TAKING your freedom by establishing an aggressive stance, and the TROJAN TRUMP tm is a con artist distraction to make people think they still have someone who represents them, so they won't rise up to represent themselves and become aggressors.

The TROJAN TRUMP is a NAZI, and you'd think the majority of Americans would realize this by now, after not having the balls to arrest Biden for TREASON for admitting on video he had a system in place to guarantee he wins the election. That is an admission to TREASON, and the TROJAN TRUMP did nothing TO DEFEND the Republic from a COUP.

The TROJAN TRUMP gave comfort and aid to the enemy of America by not arresting Biden for the above.

The TROJAN TRUMP in doing so committed TREASON too for not defending the Republic from a "known" COUP to overthrow the government byway of a fraudulent election.

DONALD TRUMP was never a Republican.

DONALD "TROJAN" TRUMP was, and is and always will be nothing but a lying con artist NAZI/COMMIE, just like his whole family is who were life-long registers to the COMMIE PARTY in New York, before the TROJAN TRUMP ran for POTUS.

America was conned again for the umpteenth time.

When he removed the healthcare platform from his campaign website the night he won, he proved with irrefutable evidence he was a LYING CON ARTIST FRAUD.

Now let's see those down votes from the people I just made CRY.

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Apotheoun
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And where does this leave us? Our entire country is corrupt and rotten to the core.

How do we even begin to reset it?

(Mind you that half the population loves all this BS and can't see through it)

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1. Trump never had control over the DOJ including under Bill Bar.

2. Trump also did not truly have support of the DoD either not even under Chris Miller at the end.

Honestly asking, what would you (Karl) have expected him to do in order to go to war over the election results?
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"Trump suspected there was going to be fraud before the election, didn't prevent it from happening, claimed it happened, provided no remedy for the fraud, and then left anyway. Who needs a cowardly loser like that?"

@Sonaran, since all election operations are state and county controlled, the Executive branch is going to have a lot of trouble getting involved. In fact the only real way to affect outcome is to join the political parties and volunteer to be part of the election counting process.

In case you weren't paying attention court cases were being filed both before the election and after the election. Just about all of them were dismissed for not having "standing". Can you suggest a non-kinetic intervention that would have both prevented and solved what happened?

"They" have been rigging the voting systems for 100+ years and are masters at the process. Our side is just deciding that it's had enough.

The AZ audit has shown just how long it takes to investigate. It took six months for the audit to happen and three months for the audit to go from planning to execution. That's NINE months. Far too long to affect the outcome of an election in dispute.
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"There is no reason to delete security logs if everything was done correctly. The only reasons to do that are to obfuscate tampering or cover some other crime."

@Lobo this is information security 101. In fact, it is standard practice to ALERT on any log clearing or deletion event, which should then be investigated in case a compromise is underway.
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Ok so in light of the earlier post, I will say this: Trump should have fired all of the doj at the beginning of his term and likely should have done the same at the DoD and Joint Chiefs. That not withstanding...
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Pay attention to Kikkenback's words and watch what's going on to this day...... huge Trump rally in GA? Keeps all the Trumpers excited and hoping..."on edge".... SOMETHING will happen, he just has to save us! In the meantime the looting continues and this keeps everyone thinking "if we just hang on till the next election..... 2022 will be different". Looks to me like the Republic is lost, find happiness and joy in the small things, enjoy each day that you can, stay close to those that love you and stay clear of those that don't. Prepare for what comes as I don't see anthing stopping it. We've allowed this ****ing monster to get too big all the while we've kept our heads down hoping it'll just leave us alone. It is not going to leave you alone anymore, it is coming for you.

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Cmoledor
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@Kikknback. Yep. Trump is the greatest con America has seen. Trojan indeed

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@Moconserv. Huge ****ing monster indeed. I agree its coming for us all. Youre not helping my jadedness at all. Lol. Just kidding ya. But yeah. Exactly what you said. Love the moments we have. Indeed.

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@Cmoledor
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So with all this coming to light, what is the next step? Start shooting? Stop paying taxes? Stop voting? Move to South America? I dont know where we go from here when the entire system needs blown up. Ugh. My jadedness is kicking in hard today. Starting another party isnt the answer as we know what happens to the new party. It gets absorbed by the beast. Where do we go from here? Im asking because I truly want to know. Sure we have the right to break our chains of slavery. But how without winding up dead or in prison for life?

Start Shooting? Not yet.
Stop paying taxes? Well, reduce your taxes as much as you can this year.
Move to South America? Maybe, Some people are actually doing this.

Breaking the chains on slavery starts with you. Ask yourself: What act of FREEDOM can I take today?
For a lot of people that DOES entail moving to a different state.
I for one have no clue why people stay in LA or Chicago or NYC only to let themselves be ****ed over.
Look at tickerguy, he got fed up with the locations where he lived and pulled up stakes and *moved*!

Take no action, get no results. Everyday the question is: WHAT MUST I DO TODAY?
Macro starts with micro. Every large thing was once very small. Find one thing today.
Make one call, write one letter, plant something, learn something, spread the word to more people, fix something, maybe even lose just a tiny bit of weight.


Case in point: Lurking on TickerForum. When KD put out the call, I got on twitter (though I hate it like many here.)
But get on I did. It wasn't fair to him to carry the torch all by himself. We had to help.

Our impact is small, but we are fighting the war of the fleas. And there are a LOT of us fleas!
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Cmoledor
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Well said @Bzelbob. Quite well.

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no signature verification on a meaningful number of ballots !
@ 1:20:07 [ and earlier ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5V7ebZl....
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