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Susanlauren
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Apparently three times is the charm. Are we taking bets as to whether this man gets out of the hospital alive? Is this the first media reported case in what may soon become a wave of cases? Asking for a friend. And when does random ancedotal evidence become data?
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Sorry for your loss @Blanca. Truly.

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Here is the thing.
The speed of folks going onto a vent.

Is it because that's the "medical track" they put them on due to whatever **** policy the hospital has?

Or is it really due to the condition.

My fear, is that indeed someone who presents at the hospital is being shoved onto a vent, for no other reason than that's "what they have to do" (and to be really evil, I fear they do it more to folks who say they are unvaxed..)
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@Thelazer - Who knows?

But when you provide a $30,000 incentive to do it, plus the billing for the vent and ICU itself, well......

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So the vax can shed, the coof? So what is the R0?


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Purplefang
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Here is an interview by Steve Kirsch with a nursing home nurse in Hawaii recently fired for speaking out.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/FIMPiiL7B....

He said none of the deaths he saw coded for covid were caused by covid. Now the vaccines has greatly increased the number of deaths.
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Well ****! Now back on the bring it on at warp speed train. I had gotten off to smell some roses and **** and also attempted to wake up some in my family these last couple of months but now back on and I'm looking forward to this winter! Family basically told me to **** off so no more help coming from the Cheetah.

The weather has provided some hints of seasonal change this past week here in Northern AL. It's glorious. Windows open. Cool crisp air in the mornings and night. And soon the sound of ambulances constantly.

Be thankful for your health, your mind, and who ever is truly close to you still.

@Blanca -- So very sorry you lost your dad to all of this.
Microbesrus
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Also, situational bias is a very real thing in medicine. He was previously in the ICU due to asthma will sometimes cue a provider to do more interventions earlier than if that history didnt exist. As such, did he crash because of certain clinical indicators for deterioration or was the trigger pulled early?

I agree the Ct levels of the PCR test would be nice. Also documentation of symptoms such as loss of taste or smell. CT chest or X-ray results to build the case for infection. Same for antibody tests.

Finally it is hard to sort out anecdote from peer reviewed data. What is the reality? Ultimately that is resolved through n number and statistical power. Unfortunately medicine and science is complete hog**** now and governed by people who are convinced of the mainstream narrative. Good luck to those PIs who buck the system and potentially lose NIH funding. Its FUBAR

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Exactly @Microbesrus -- but as I've said on Twatter by the time something like this gets into a newspaper there are hundreds if not thousands of times its happened.

I've had anecdotal reports of it (people presenting into ER and crashing within hours) that were vaxxed through confidential sources, but anecdotes aren't data. However, in exactly ZERO of the reports I've had were the patients immediately assayed for antibody presence (qualitatively to distinguish between "N" and "S" antibodies as well as titer.) NOT ONE such report has reached me where that was done, and I bet it wasn't here either.

The other confounder, and its serious, is that by the math out of the NEJM paper we KNOW that roughly half the so-called "positive" cases by PCR were bull****. This entirely explains the "disappearing flu"; it didn't disappear at all, people who had the flu were called Covid. But that means that a LOT of people who were told they had Covid really didn't, including a decent number of both hospitalizations and fatalities. Without Ct numbers you have no way to untangle that; a person with a Ct of 20 is almost-certainly actually Covid-19, where someone with a Ct of 35 is almost-certainly NOT (97% of the time.)

Now add the financial incentives for hospitals to code Covid and you have real trouble because nobody wants the numbers, lest the MONEY not flow.

I seriously question this guy getting infected THREE TIMES. Can it happen? Yes. He could be seriously immune-compromised in some fashion but if he is to THAT degree he knows it and its in his chart, which means the reporting is bull**** as anyone who they talked to should have ****ing said so. Of course they didn't, but then again we're back to incentives and "play the FEAR megaphone on 11" games.

Nonetheless this signal HAS TO BE RUN DOWN. If it IS what it could be, and it gets into the dominant strain, those who the jabs are ****ED.

Deploying boosters into THAT scenario will kill millions of people in the United States.

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That poor chap really has had a rough time. Hope he pulls through.
Microbesrus
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Agreed @Tickerguy

In my population we will check antibodies if MIS-C is on the differential, but we arent doing that at all if it appears as a more acute illness. Cant tell you how many looks like covid lung xrays are initially reported when it could have also been just atypical community acquired pneumonia. In this way other diagnoses have disappeared too.

Depending on the environment a mentality can become so deep seated. Protocols are written and varying from that isnt evidence based.

I can tell you this, if I decided to go rogue and serum test for prior infection it would be met with complete resistance and we dont do that, it doesnt affect our management. Such a barrier to what needs to be done.

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TG - Question for you. I now know more people who've gotten symptomatic covid post-vax than pre-vax. What is the likely future immunity and health outlook for those that have been vaxxxed AND subsequently got hammered by covid? Does natural immunity elbow vaxxed immunity out of the way and the patient is good going forward or is each additional viral exposure a roll the dice?
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Nobody knows @Heyjackass.

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@Tickerguy - obviously without giving anything away, do you have sources at multiple hospitals? Are they all local to you? I'm just trying to get a handle on the data vs. anecdotes.

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"The rest I want to see die a quick VEI death starting with Fauci"

Last guy on the planet who would take the shot.
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These pro-jab articles are not news, but fear-mongering propaganda as even the basic underlying (and crucial) questions are not presented, so there is no context in which to view them. And has we know, science has left the building to be replaced by "the science".

Anyone else find it strange that the fake news media never ever mentions the tens of thousands deaths and disability from this jab? How about a story of teen cut down in the prime of life due to heart problems post jab? Plenty of those stories out there.

I fully expect the jab vs non-jabbed to be used by the dems and their mouthpiece fake news media to be the new "black lives matter" during next year's election cycle. If you have followed politics for any length of time, the leftist hype machine goes full bore exactly on schedule every 2 or 4 years. I saw a graph for "googling BLM searches"....and wouldn't you know it....massive increase precisely at election time. So fellow non-jab heretics prepare for the political onslaught that is coming your way. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Prepare to be called granny murders, anti-vaxers (even though we all had several REAL vaccines), Neanderthals, etc. Ironically, I do not expect the large pet groups of the dems (minorities, immigrants) who won't get the jab to be attacked. Only the whites or repubs.

@ Blanca-sorry for your loss, I had a relative (type 2 diabetic) who went thru the exact same scenario. She was put on the vent shortly after Karl starting spreading the alarm about vents (i.e. 90% mort rate)......so I kinda knew what to expect but tried to support the family......she lasted on a month on it until her heart finally gave out. What a nightmare that was.

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@Jack_crabb - Yes, and very-distributed all over the place. Not locally-centered at all.

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@heyjackass

yep, one more very important question that no one is either looking for answers for..or have them and aren't publishing. I found one study that showed only ~23% of breakthroughs had N antibodies afterward vs ~89% of unvaccinated natural infections but it was ~80 people and was examining the issue in context of serology testing.
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Thanks, @Tickerguy

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@Dingleberry

I have been dealing with it from the start as I wouldnt follow the panic, but continued to assess the patient on an individual basis. I was called a covid denier.

When the vax was rolled out, many colleagues asked if I was an adherent of Qanon. Its laughable. Its died down to some degree. Primarily when people finally realized I wasnt one to simple concede to peer pressure. Haha! What a joke.

As you mentioned it doesnt matter to these people. It doesnt matter that I was trained in immunology and molecular biology prior to starting a career in medicine. No one would even entertain a conversation with me. You either fall in line with the accepted narrative or you are a conspiracy theorist and/or a white supremacist.

The level of bias is incredible right now. Its an insult to what can and should be done.

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Anything reported on TV or in a newspaper is at the very best inaccurate, and at the worst complete BS with an agenda. I have been "in the news" 3 times in my life for different things. None of them criminal. In all 3 cases the story either miss-stated the facts or outright twisted the whole story to make it look like something it wasn't. If you saw it on TV it was a lie. This guy probably went on a vent post being vaxxed. That is the only possible thing of actual relevance that can be taken from this story. I agree that even that points to the concerns that TG mentions in this ticker. We will have to wait and see what happens.

@Blanca I am sorry for the loss of your father. My father also went to the hospital with severe abdominal pain and cramping. Of course he tested positive for covid and was treated with remdesivir and something to relieve his stomach pain. They sent him home 3 days later on a Sunday night. On Monday morning he called me in distress, his stomach pain was unbearable. I called for an ambulance for him and back to the hospital he went. A day and a half later they finally stopped treating him like a covid case and did a cat scan. His small intestine was ruptured and they rushed him in to surgery to repair the rupture. He was septic and damn near died from it. Fortunately he survived and is doing alright now. I agree that the hospital is the last place you want to have to go. The chances of getting good care in a timely manner at a hospital are slim and none.
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Speaking of anecdotal events...

Nephew who was here from UK went back home a couple weeks ago. Went to a music festival with his buddies and they all caught the coof. Five days good as new. My sister is vaxxed. No issue and she didn't catch it from him. Now we will see if she allows him to get vaxxed. He's going into college for his first year.

My cousin in California, sixty, diabetic, in hospital with "covid" pneumonia. On supplemental air with a very low heart rate. No vent yet and unknown vax status.

Neighbor two doors down lost his wife this week. Unknown if vax or vid related but I suspect she was vaxxed a few months ago. She developed a case of esophageal cancer and one month later was gone.

Kindergarten teacher at a local school caught the coof. Died on a vent two weeks later. 42. Unknown vax.

Office worker at same school. Dead from coof within days of teacher. On a vent as well. Unknown vax status.

Small human son went to a friends house two weekends ago. Came home and didn't feel 100%. Two days later get a call from his friends mom. Positive coof test. We all had it July 20. Wife daughter son and myself all had a bit of a cold like feeling and 99 low grade temp for 24 hrs.

Everyone is normal and suspect a normal cold/flu but maybe it was the coof and our immunity turned it into a mild cold?

I don't know about you all but there seems to be a growing presence of death stalking the land that is touching people around me at an obviously growing pace.

Stay frosty, my Friends.

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If it is to be VEI season this fall and winter, how many deaths are we looking at? 2-3 million? 5-10 million? I certainly can't see it being any higher than that. I don't think the medical establishment and mainstream media can spin this one away.

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@Cwatson1982 wrote..
I found one study that showed only ~23% of breakthroughs had N antibodies afterward vs ~89% of unvaccinated natural infections but it was ~80 people and was examining the issue in context of serology testing.

Is that study available for others to review?

I just checked and the St. Jude study has been updated since it last dropped. Going to look for the changes since v1, but here's the link for v2.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/....

Note Figure 7 on page 27 of 37 which may correlate with your assertion above. Does the fact that only 23% having N antibodies set up those that don't to get hammered? Don't know, but I suspect it doesn't look good.

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This is going to get bad.
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