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2021-09-12 07:00 by Karl Denninger
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There are times that the "F" word is absolutely appropriate.  For example on August 6th, 1945, by the Mayor of Hiroshima in the instant of time just before he was BBQ'd: What the **** was that?

This is one of those and so I'll use it without reservation: ****.

A drive-by parade outside of Methodist Mansfield Medical Center last April was supposed to be Corey Ripe's happy ending. The 47-year-old was headed home after a week on a ventilator battling COVID-19.

Ok, he got Covid, he got it bad in March/April 2020 before we knew what we were doing -- but he lived.

Then, January.

Three days later, they got confirmation that, in addition to pneumonia, Ripe had once again contracted the virus that had already nearly claimed his life.

Really?  What was the Ct on that test?  You see, I read that linked article and it describes symptoms that don't make a lot of sense for Covid-19.  Certainly anything's possible but the article does make sense for a whole bunch of other infections particularly if he had secondary bacterial pneumonia.  What did the hospital give him?  Nobody has said.  There wasn't an antibiotic in there by chance, was there?

He then gets vaccinated post-recovery.  Remember, the vaccine prevents severe disease and death, we're currently told.  We were previously told it prevented getting the virus (that was a lie), that it prevented symptoms (that was a lie), that it prevented giving the virus to others (that was a wild-eyed, entirely-unscientific claim with zero evidence and proved to be a crazy-faced lie as is now showing up everywhere including at all-vaccinated colleges) and now it's "you won't go to the hospital or die."

OH REALLY?  WHERE IS THIS GUY RIGHT NOW?

Still, Saturday night, though he’d shown no prior symptoms, Parris knew it had to be COVID-19 again when she heard the fluid in his lungs.

She rushed him to the ER. And an hour later, Parris got a familiar call.

Ripe was intubated and waiting for an available ICU bed.

I see.

So here are my questions, since this is so wildly improbable that I find it impossible to believe unless something really, really ugly is going on with these jabs.

  • At his second alleged infection did the hospital check for both "S" and "N" antibodies at admission?  They should have been present.  You know they didn't look.  But let's assume, for the sake of argument, the first infection really was Covid (it's entirely plausible) and not the flu with a secondary bacterial infection that got him.  I'm not sold on this because H1N1 was going around at that time, I got what I presume was that in January 2020, it did get into my lungs and it flattened me for a week with serious hanging-on symptoms, notably a nasty non-productive cough, that kept hanging on for a month and material cardio impairment for several more (it was worse than Covid-19 which I got first days of August of this year.)  It was bad and I thought, after Covid-19 became known to be a "thing", I might have had it.  But it was not Covid-19; I know scientifically it was not because a few months later I sourced IgG antibody tests and I was negative.

  • After the second alleged infection but before he got vaccinated did anyone check for both "S" and "N" antibodies?  You know the answer to that one too.  Of course not.  "If you're recovered you should still get vaccinated" is what every ******* in the medical and political field has said even though there is zero evidence you get any benefit from doing so and, post-infection, the data is that your protection is many times (13x or more, to be exact) better than getting jabbed.

  • In any event being an alleged "two-time winner" of the Covid-19 sweepstakes, a statistically unlikely thing to the extreme unless one of the two wasn't actually Covid, he takes the (bad) advice and gets vaccinated.  Ok, so now he should have both "N" antibodies (from previous infection) and a bunch of "S" ones.

  • Now a few months later he gets hammered.  Again they say "Covid-19."  Did they look at admission time for those antibodies this time?  You know damn well they did not and, much worse, this time was extremely rapid onset which strongly implies that VEI may be in the game here.  Yet I'll bet $1,000 they did not pull antibody titers for both "S" and "N" proteins on admission and given the history I'll argue that's not only personal malpractice it's public-health malpractice and gross negligence.

Here's why those antibody titers are important especially this time around.

Natural infection provides a higher (by quite a lot) "N" protein titer than "S".  Why is that?  Because coronaviruses have evolved so their "S" proteins can evade the immune system.  If this was not the case they couldn't infect you, but obviously they do.  Thus natural infection will produce both but the "N" titer will be higher.

Vaccination produces NO "N" antibodies at all because they're not encoded in the vaccine.  That's intentional; the hypothesis that all the vaccine makers in the US used (and in Europe and many other places) operated under was informed by work that was done when SARS was going around.  Vaccines were attempted and they all failed due to ADE-style problems during animal trials.  The belief was that they failed because of the "N" protein in the vaccine.  This was supported by mechanistic (not in-body) work and sounds plausible (I've read the work) but the problem is that many times what appears to be "correct" on a mechanistic or test-tube basis doesn't work that way in the human body.  Since SARS disappeared we never tested this theory on people before Covid-19 showed up because we couldn't; there was no virus against which to risk natural infections and challenge trials with something like SARS are flat-out nutso given its fatality rate.  The short trials we did do this time around before EUAs issued accounted only for the wild strain that was in circulation at the time; all these other "letters and numbers" mutations were not known as they didn't exist and thus couldn't be tested against.  All looked ok, and away we went without any long-term data to back up the claims.  Then we licensed one of them with less than a year's worth of data to back up the belief that enhancement was off the table.

If this guy has a significant "S" titer, particularly if he has one that is higher than his "N" titer then when he was injected he did produce the expected antibody response.  In other words the expectation is that he had "protection."  If he has no titer then he is the one dude out of millions that both got nothing in the way of immunity from either infection or vaccination.

But assuming he does have antibodies given his extremely-rapid deterioration this time -- from no symptoms to insane deterioration to the point of requiring intubation within a day this time around that implicates VEI in an extremely serious way and in fact until disproved that has to be the presumed reason he got hit that hard, that fast.

This is exactly what VEI (ADE is a subset of VEI, "Vaccine Enhanced Infection") looks like when it happens folks.  People go from being asymptomatic or only mildly ill to crashing within hours.  The presumption when someone who is vaccinated and has an antibody titer has this sort of thing happen is that is, until conclusively excluded, what you're dealing with is VEI and it's a pull the damned alarm right now because the risk of people being imminently ****ed en-masse is on the table sort of event.

If that is what happened then the odds are extremely high that a mutational strain that can tear through the vaccinated population like a wrecking ball is here in the United States -- right here, right now.

No bull**** folks.

The only "out" from this scenario if that's what happened to this individual is that whatever strain he has is disadvantaged on an evolutionary basis and thus will not widely spread and become a material part of the mix.  That is not and cannot be brought under our control.

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And yet, right in the linked article, the familiar refrains: only 2% breakthrough hospitalizations and the vaccine saved him from a more severe outcome.
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This is gonna be a ****show...if correct.

No nurses, and overwhelmed hospitals, sounds like a good time
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Quote:
Ive had every doctor tell me as bad a shape as he's in, he said if he hadn't had the vaccine, he probably wouldn't be here."


Irony is they're right. Just not in the way they think they are.
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Wowser......

I have been waiting to see if any of this begins to happen. Honestly, we are right in that time line (roughly) where we may begin to see the beginnings of some of this if this trajectory begins to materialize.

Obviously, we don't know if this is an outlier or the beginnings of VEI type events, but until we rule it out we would be foolish to ignore it.

Thanks again, Karl.

Dude....you have been covering this whole situation with the Coof like a fly on a dung patch!!
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Those attending to him are at risk.

So are other patients.

Then the families of the medical care providers.

Odds are most care providers and their familes have been vaccinated.

The pattern of the care providers being Super Spreaders will repeat.


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Zhina will just continue to produce more variants until the only 'out' is mass graves.
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Well **** a duck. Ill get flowers on order for my vexxed peeps.

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Im only torn about this because I have some dear friends and family who were fooled Im into getting the jab. The rest I want to see die a quick VEI death starting with Fauci
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I'm going to reserve judgement until we see some more cases where vaccinated crash. Hell, for all we know he never had covid at all. Without antibody testing there's no way to know.

I hate this **** of not being allowed to know when the answers are right there and easy to obtain. If I had enough money, I'm pretty sure I'd start funding some of these studies that we know are necessary but aren't being done (or not published.)

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Yup tom. Get ready for hospitals to be superspreaders again.
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@Asimov - Anecdotally I've heard of several more, all vexxed, that show up in the ER and within hours are on a vent. This is not the first one; it's only unique quality is that it got written up in the paper because he's a three-time ticket-holder.

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Also makes you wonder if Xidens handlers know VEI is coming fast and it forced their hand to do the crazy mandates to cover their tracks and get rid of as much of the unvaxx control group as they can.
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One of the reasons government is gaslighting blame on the unvaccinated is they know VEI is real and they want the vaccinated to blame the unvaccinated for their problem, instead of blaming the government that greenlighted the experimental drug.

If VEI gets recognized as a real deal, I think we could see a complete emotional breakdown in the "true Covid believers", who truth be told are already suffering neurosis. Consider their plight - they trusted in the government and media and then they will learn that trust may very well kill them.
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I've heard of that as well... Matter of fact, a guy my wife worked with tested positive about a week ago and was found at home, dead, a few days later. Nobody is sure if he had his vax or not.

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This is why mandating vaccines in the military was absolute insanity. Anyone with a working brain able to do benefit/risk analysis should have been screaming at the top of their lungs. Even OAS would be an absolute disaster and huge vulnerability across the entire military apparatus.
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Paper that followed the NBA players, staff and associated for 6 months from Dec 1 2020 to May 30, 2021 studies reinfection rates.

7980 people were monitored
768 people were found to have recovered from COVID
7 were found to have gotten re-infected but 6 were asymptomatic and may have not been detected if not part of this program.
The 7th persons who did fall I'll was found to have no anti-bodies and was assumed to be immunocompromised.

https://watermark.silverchair.com/ciab73....
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Makes sense, but still scratching my head on all the vaxed knuckleheads that get a breakthrough infection and then recover. Where are they on the risk scale after that? Are they in a better spot immunity wise or are they still screwed with just Spike antigens? Are they still candidates for the VEI lottery?

Also, not all vaxed breakthroughs in the UK and Israel are dropping dead from breakthroughs? What does that mean if anything?

OT: Anyone else notice that Gate/Soros invested in a testing company? What's the angle? Just to make a buck off the scamdemic? I'm guessing they expect the need for testing to last a long time...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddawkin....
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Nobody knows @Mikeyinfl because they're not doing the lab work to figure it out on purpose.

The question isn't "are they all dropping dead", it's of those who are, is there anything distinguishing them -- such as, for example, specific sequencing data on their particular virus strains that correlates?

Nobody is doing the work to determine that.

When NOBODY does the work, despite the CAPACITY to do so, you can only conclude the refusal is intentional.

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Scary stuff. My wife is going in for required surgery in a few weeks. She was vaxxed in January and February of this year. This could be a real crap show. I have some ivermectin and will suggest she take some after surgery as a preventative.

I have to get a negative Covid test within 72 hours of taking her to the hospital. I will damn sure be on ivermectin.
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Is the speed of ending up on a ventilator considerably quicker than we saw before? It's hard to tell with limited data, but if speed has increased that would definitely support VEI too.

Trying to figure what would actually be best case scenario in this particular story. If he never had COVID till last time, it would seem VEI would be in play given how quickly things got bad. I wish they said how long it was before he was put on a vent the first time. Was it just as quick? If so, maybe he is super at risk for some reason.

If he had COVID before, that also puts into consideration whether the shot ended natural immunity.

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Quote:
"I've had every doctor tell me as bad a shape as he's in, he said if he hadn't had the vaccine, he probably wouldn't be here."

See how this works? If you get the jab and you crash, you would have crashed worse. If you didn't get the jab and you crash, you deserved it.
By jabbing everyone, they eliminate the control group and can make any unprovable assertion they want.

Here's more propaganda regarding an outbreak at the College of William and Mary (https://wydaily.com/local-news/2021/09/0....).
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The letter stated that the school is dealing with more than 100 active student positive cases, many of those among vaccinated students. All of them experiencing mild symptoms, if any at all. The College is hopeful the two weeks of safety protocols will slow the spread.

The questions that aren't answered in the article:
1. Exactly how many cases?
2. How many were among the vaccinated? How many among the unvaccinated?
3. Why would "safety" protocols (masking, social distancing) be needed if the vaccines worked?
4. Why are those without symptoms being tested?
5. Can the positives be attributed to a faulty PCR test?

Are we living in the Middle/Dark Ages?
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@Blanca - On College of William and Mary:

Note that there, and elsewhere, college students during the original outbreak were intentionally getting infected (much like a chicken pox party.) The colleges went APE**** when they found out, but in point of fact if you're healthy and young at the time this was a perfectly-legitimate strategy AND IT STILL IS, just as it was for chicken pox.

Note that between the two diseases for a young, non-morbid person the fatality rate for chicken pox among CHILDREN (not young adults) and COVID-19 among the non-morbid under 25 is approximately identical.

Why did we do that (it was done to me!) with Chicken Pox?

Because if you don't, and then get it when you're older, you're 25x more likely to wind up in a box.

The same is true for Covid-19; if you DON'T get it as a young, healthy person the odds go up DRAMATICALLY that you will wind up in a box if you LATER get it as a more-morbid individual.

Those "chicken pox" parties, as near as I could determine from the media at the time, resulted in ZERO fatalities. A few people got really sick, but nobody died. In other words the strategy was successful whether the colleges and media liked it or not.

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@Handyone55

My dad went to the ER for a fall and wound up in the hospital's COVID ward after testing positive. Then they killed him because in the COVID ward, no one gets anything but the standard treatment (a steroid plus a vent) for COVID. If they have any other problem, they don't care.

Stay out of the hospital. Those PCR tests with all the false positives are killing people.
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@Tickerguy

Yep - the young people I know who got COVID, may have lost their taste for a day and got the sniffles. That's it. Who cares? I get the sniffles due to seasonal allergies. It's no big deal.

Sadly, the young are the most likely to be woke and go along with all this baloney.
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