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Nitrium
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If this is done intentionally by some nation that just-coincidentally doesn't allow the vaccines that exhibit this problem as we do in in the US, the UK, Israel and similar..... Let me point out that recombination, which is how someone with a lab would create said "oh crap!" strain, is easy. "


Not to be a total doomer, but isn't it then equally conceivable that maybe WE'RE the ones planning on doing that to THEM? i.e. WE release a killer strain that kills everyone NOT vaccinated with our brilliant Western vaccines - i.e. the Chinese, Russians, Iran and most of the Middle East (except Israel of course), and all those that went against their government's wishes and didn't get vaxxed (aka "problem makers")?
Txdg00
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The strategy of publishing an outright falsehood, pushing it out via all major channels and making it go viral, then quietly retracting the lie is one of their favorite strategies. The initial story makes a big splash but the retraction never does.

And people wonder why trust in the media and institutions is so low?
Dnomsed
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https://theexpose.uk/2021/09/12/three-st....

A useful compendium of recent vaccine effectiveness.

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***Vaccines provide a beneficial effect? ***

I suggest taking a raincheck on this for a few months. Dr Peter McCullough seems to opine that these jabs provide no useful benefit, based on recent papers.

My premise is that injecting a toxin into a subject cannot offer a positive effect, however fleeting. Toxins degrade and expose the subject to higher risk. Dabbling with a subject's DNA has no chance of success - rather, it can only bring destruction. (A bit like hacking a computer program without understanding it's complexities. A comma in the wrong place... )

The injected toxins will leave damage in the subjects, which will, in all likelihood never fully be resolved - leading to reduced lifespan. Many drugs do this.

Building and supporting natural immunity is totally different.

As the real data (not selective data), I suspect that a more balanced holistic view will emerge.

My 2c worth... :)
Constantbees
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@Georgi

I wouldn't break out the champagne about the UK government cancelling vaccine passports just yet. As in the US, various government ministers assured us that there would be no vaccine passports, and then quietly carried on with their plans to implement them. They have changed every single policy over and over until your head spins. Additionally, the change only includes England. Scotland is going ahead with vaccine passports. Funny how the UK seems to have had a "soft" breakup.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article....
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Responding to briefing about the policy being axed in interviews this morning, Mr Javid only initially told Sky News that he 'hoped we can avoid' the step.

But little more than an hour later he was categorical, telling the BBC's Andrew Marr show: 'We will not be going ahead with plans for vaccine passports.'

The decision draws another dividing line within the UK, as Nicola Sturgeon has announced that a certification scheme will be launched in Scotland from October 1.
Savid Javid is the "Health" Minister.

BTW, if you want to see one of the pockets of resistance in the UK, read the comments on Daily Mail articles. Be sure to click the Best Rated button so you can see where the weight of opinion lies. Leftwing papers, like the Guardian, rarely allow comments.
Tonythetiger
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@Boughtthefarm

Horse Paste is still available online from Valleyvet.com. ~$8/tube when ordering a dozen. Free shipping.

https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html....

Be aware that Valleyvet also sells a 12 pack of different treatments, which only include a couple of the Ivermectin tubes. Be sure to order the 12 pack that is entirely Ivermectin paste.

On a side note, I wonder if Ivermectin has any effectiveness at combating the side effects of taking the jab, either fully or partially.

If all things jab-related go sideways this winter, having some sort of prepared plan of treatment for those who got the vaccine without understanding the risks might literally be a life saver.

I'm not a doctor, but I'd be interested in hearing the thoughts of anyone who has gone further down the rabbit hole than I have in this regard.

TG, would you give consideration to creating a separate section on the site to catalogue and/or outline the various treatment(s) that are available with/without prescription? Not as a recommended course of treatment, but as a place where folks could point out articles or relate personal stories so that others can find such information more quickly.

The circumference of the circle of knowledge is growing bigger ever more quickly. Having a central reference to guide one's efforts to learn might be really handy to have. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to see that it may not be too long before the unvaxxed are denied any covid related health care at all and will be on their own.





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Tickerguy
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@Tonythetiger - I'll have to put some thought into that.

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Mjc1960
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@Mannfm11
The immune system has a trained response and adaptive response. Young people have a better adaptive system
Just speculation on my part, but maybe the vax trains the immune response for older people and provides a benefit, but actually inhibits the adaptive immune system for younger folks by creating a mismatch of Delta to the vax. OAS.
Constantbees
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Most of the people in those groups are vaxxed. The ones who aren't fall into three categories: mostly immigrants and so not part of the British mainstream; unvaxxable for numerous reasons; British natives who didn't take the Vax because of either prickly independence or prior infection. I've not seen much prickly independence, except for Farage.

Hmm, "prickly independence". I live in the UK. I'm an immigrant (but a white American one), and closer to the British mainstream than the immigrants you obliquely refer to. I definitely demonstrate prickly independence, but I wouldn't say I have much in common with Nigel Farage. I've had experience both in America and Britain with medics pushing unnecessary and potentially toxic medications on me, hence my lack of interest in the current experiment.

While there has been some resistance to lockdowns, masks, and vaccines here, it seems limited and definitely non-mainstream. Vaccine compliance is high. Everyone I know personally is vaccinated.

I went to one demo in London and swore never to go to another. I could smell the dope from across the road and really it felt pretty much like the 5G and alternative crowd was out. (Apologies if you're a 5G'er, smoke dope, etc.). Most of the resistance seems typically British - a lot of grumbling but ultimately people will "go along to get along". This country is the birthplace of that phrase.

I've spent most of the past 18 months on British resistance sites, like Lockdown Sceptics, but ultimately started thinking about returning to the US because of the lack of fight in the public. That got me looking at US skeptic sites, especially this one. I've seen more discussion of tangible efforts for fighting this in the US since Biden's speech on many sites than I've seen in the UK throughout the whole of this wretched situation, and frankly felt more desire to go home to the US than I can ever remember feeling.

It's gut-wrenching since the UK has been my home for most of the past 20+ years, but I cannot stand the thought of being surrounded by timid, cowed people for the rest of my life. I also have no connections left in the US, so I will truly be starting from scratch. Not that I have anyone left here who I can be honest with. I know other people are in much worse situations than I am, so please don't think I'm looking for sympathy, I'm just trying to express what it's like on the ground here, as an American. There may be Brits on the board with vastly different perspectives than mine.
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Incept: 2021-09-12

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Does anybody know why the data from the PHE "Vaccine Surveillance Report" you presented and the data from the PHE's regularly posted Technical Bulletins "SARS-CoV-2 Variants of Concern and Variants under Consideration" are so different?

Particularly in regards to Hospitalization and Death numbers?

I used data from those Technical Bulletins for the attached chart.

The Technical Bulletins actually show the opposite of "protection" from deaths and hospitalizations - particularly so if you segregate out the new data from the old.

Here is a spreadsheet I used to 1) segregate out the new data from the old, and 2) to calculate percentages. Other than that, everything from the spreadsheet is straight out of the PHE Technical Bulletins # 17, 19, 21, & 22.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1....

All of the above can also be found on my blog post "The Mainstream Narrative is Putting Lives at Risk" : https://cluelesshonky.blogspot.com/2021/....

My two guesses on why the PHE data from the the "Variant" and the "Vaccine" reports might be different:
1) The PHE Technical Bulletin data is only for confirmed Delta variant cases.
2) The PHE Weekly Vaccine Surveillance Report is cumulative data from the very beginning of the vaccine roll-out (even pre-Delta).

As I point out in my blog post, "This is the crux of the problem: too much data these days fails to segregate the most recent data from past data... So it fails to provide an accurate picture of change."

IMO, there are A LOT of SIGNALS getting lost in cumulative data sets.

If the vaccines offer up a soup of diminishing returns, as many of us suspect, then we need to be hunting down data that either segregates out the recent data, or that offers us enough data over time so that we can segregate it out ourselves.

My guess is that when we do, we will see more and more alarming trends.
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Jack_crabb
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Friend told me he was in tsc today and the guy in line in front of him had 9 tubes of horse paste. They checked if he had had past purchases of horse supplies. He didn't and they wouldn't sell it to him.


Oh, so they ****ed first-time horse owners? Everyone has to start sometime, right? **** the petty tyrants. Each. And. Every. One. Of. Them.

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I am the horse.

And my cock is going up your ass if you don't complete this sale.

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Ballardlane
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Hi TG, I have been lurking for awhile and wanted to commend you on the contents of your site - both yourself and your followers. The Best around by far.

I can not decide if my dominent emotion is Anger or Depression - probably both tho they are pretty much the same in this instance.

I am disgusted by so much but heading the list has to be the Stupidity of the public and/or the complete Failure of our 535 congressional critters whose primary responsibility has to be the wellbeing of their respective constituents.

Well, aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?

Eoinw
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@ Gordonh

Good point about the data. We're dealing with habitual liars. Why assume they'd be honest about anything that makes them look bad?
Eoinw
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In the county I live in, we still have had zero covid deaths. 18 months into a pandemic...hmm. Is it safe to assume that if covid deaths begin hitting now that they are really vaccine deaths?

Despite our good fortune, so many people continue to behave like hysterics. They don't know a single person who has died of covid, yet their entire life revolves around their fear of covid. What happens this winter when they finally are confronted with death? What level of insanity will these people reach?

Though I am technically a Baby Boomer(yes I'm the one who ended the baby boom!) I've never had a very high opinion of my generation. Now I'd say the jury is out and the verdict is in. The Baby Boomers are the most spoiled, selfish and cowardly generation to have ever existed!
Jack_crabb
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the complete Failure of our 535 congressional critters whose primary responsibility has to be the wellbeing of their respective constituents.


Welcome @Ballardlane. But your theory is merely a quaint notion of the past. The Congresscritters have only one goal - to enrich themselvs at the expense of their respective constituents. If you look at it from this point of view, things make a lot more sense. I hope this does not make you more angry or depressed but opens your eyes and mind.

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Maddmaxx
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FWIW, came across this, this morning:

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/pla....

"After factoring in several potentially influential variables, including age, ethnicity, medical specialty, and lifestyle (smoking, physical activity), respondents who said they ate plant-based diets or plant-based/pescatarian diets had, respectively, 73% and 59% lower odds of moderate to severe COVID-19 infection, compared with those who didnt have these dietary patterns."




Franco
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Why are people buying ivermectin in paste form when you can buy it in 1% solution with no additives, flavorings, etc?
Tickerguy
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You need to maintain aseptic procedure with the liquid. Not hard but you have to know how and do it as there are no preservatives in that.

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Maddmaxx
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"You need to maintain aseptic procedure with the liquid. Not hard but you have to know how and do it as there are no preservatives in that."

Can you elaborate on that, TG? I have the solution and hope I'm doing it right. I had planned to extract several doses and store in a dropper bottle and dose that way. Good idea?
Petuniacrabtree
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Im British and in the U.K. (and I remember Constantbees from Lockdownsceptics). Been lurking here for a while and love the analysis and insight.

Im a prickly independent type and tbh, there are few of us. Most people have gone along with the vaccine as though most realise the pandemic is a complete pile of bull****, and the vaccines are suspect, they want to travel. They are not aware of the extent of the harms that they cause, their limited duration of action and the risks of ADE, and other impacts on longer term health outcomes. Im almost scared to warn them, as who wants to be a Cassandra?

Anyway, I cannot think of any behavioural reasons why the vaccinated are more likely to get infected. It doesnt stack up. There are some younger previously infected who are saying no to the vaccine, but many also who have signed up for it. I really cant see any obvious behavioural differences that would account for the quite stark difference. Im convinced its NOT behaviour or prior infections. People here seem to think you can get it more than once, or that the vaccines are crap but gotta get one to travel (theres no scope for using evidence of prior infection to allow you into most countries, and its travel that is the sticking point for most people).

The other factor to consider is timing of vaccination. Older people (over 40s) where infection rates are higher in the vaxxed, were all done and dusted by June, by and large. Younger people are still being vaxxed. IgG will still be high in the younger - presumably some will find their way to the Upper Respiratory Tract and fend off infection for a few weeks while levels are crazy high.

I am thinking the benefit from the vaccine in hospitalisation and death is short lived, and the U.K. approach of a longer gap between jabs, plus some AZ use, will lead to a longer period of benefit than Israel, but that it will inevitably wear off at some point in the winter (great timing!)

As to why vaccines lead to higher infection rates...VEI is the only thing that makes sense to me. Its across all age groups who were vaccinated over 3mo age.
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Web search. There are thousands of diagrams and videos online. Pick the method that works for your situation.

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Uwe
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Madd wrote..
I had planned to extract several doses and store in a dropper bottle and dose that way. Good idea?
I don't see a problem with that; in fact I've put all of mine in 60 ml (2 oz) glass bottles, most with polycone caps, but some with graduated droppers. Given the fact that I'm going to ingest it rather than inject it, I'm entirely comfortable with this because the carrier liquids (glycerol formal and propylene glycol) are not exactly conducive to the growth of microbes. In fact, propylene glycol is know for its anti-microbial properties.

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@franco
"Why are people buying ivermectin in paste form when you can buy it in 1% solution with no additives, flavorings, etc?"

Could be because its been easier to get and doesn't need a hypodermic to dose it. We have the 1% on hand for the livestock. Got a new bottle a couple weeks ago from our vet because it was not in stock anywhere else. I've got a bit less than a gallon of the pour on that i'd probably use in a pinch. Spilled it on myself enough times.
Jpg
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maddmaxx wrote..
Can you elaborate on that, TG? I have the solution and hope I'm doing it right. I had planned to extract several doses and store in a dropper bottle and dose that way. Good idea?


Ann Barnhardt has probably described how to do it:

https://www.barnhardt.biz/ivermectin/
Bobn
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Giannmi wrote..
I slowly started to replace incompetence with malice as one decision/policy after another made no sense.


I've been assuming malice for quite some time.

1) The pharma-owned regulators, .gov, media did it for money

2) The authoritarians, mostly on the left, did it for power.

The absolute war waged in early treatment did it for me. These ****ers *say* they want to protect the health care system, but their actions say they couldn't care less. In particular, the Left is perfectly willing to kill however many it takes to achieve their goals.

It was never about a virus.

I doubt that I have been infected with Covid-19. But I'm going to trust my vitamin D level of 80, as well as ivermectin, HCQ, zinc and other things rather than get the vax. That's in spite of the fact that I am ostensibly vulnerable due to age, diabetes, hypertension. I've come some way in addressing those, but not far enough.
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