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Tickerguy
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@Georgi -
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2. The currently selected dominant strain is more deadly for the unvaccinated

Where's that in the data? I certainly don't see it.

There is a problem in their data presentation in that they're claiming more the 100% of the 80+ people who are admitted die. Obviously that is wrong; you can only die once.

Let's take the 60-69 group. 60.3 is the HX rate and 21.2 is the croak rate. That's statistically identical to what my county here put up over the winter w/o vaccines, presuming that basically everyone was of elder years. Mix in some younger people and my county looks worse, obviously.

If they're jamming Remdesivir in people in England this is not surprising at all since ~20% of the people who get that drug will have a serious adverse event and I'll bet if you're one of them and are fighting off Covid-19 the odds are EXTREMELY high you're going to be leaving in a box.

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A bad (dark) winter or two should really be able to right THIS ship, yes?

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Georgi
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@Tickerguy ,
The data in Table 5a on page 15 of the UK data report appear to show precisely this.
For example the fatalities rate for the 80+ is 36 per 100k vaccinated and 121.5 per 100k unvaccinated.
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The jabs do appear to continue to confer protection against hospitalization and death however this must be, on a public-health basis, compared with what they do to others.


Am I missing sth?

I do agree that this protection is wearing off rapidly so in 3 months time it might be completely void or even negative if indeed VEI becomes a thing.

I see what you mean with the 80+ data: fatalities 1266 vs ER admissions 1149. That's odd but here they are counting fatalities within 60days after testing positive which brings some time displacements into play.

Another thing is that if you are vaccinated and go to the hospital with a chest pain you do not get tested for covid19 while if you are not vaccinated you certainly will. This skews the data for sure.

So all in all, the death/hospitalization protection is possibly materially smaller that the one in the UK data.

I hope you are right and we are not seeing and will not see a Marek scenario. If we do, they will have won! As you said, the larger the unvaccinated group the smaller the chance for a Marek scenario to play out. Yet another reason to stay straight and not get the vaxx.
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@Jc3:"if sent Certified Mail to insurance carriers, corp health and safety personnel, corp CEO and management, and copied to a legal team?"

My thought exactly, @Jc3, except you forgot "notarized."

Also, it would be well to mention that Federal law Title 45, section 46, number 116 forbids coercing anyone to receive an experimental injection.

Also, that while public opinion largely supports vaccination now, and dederal attornies would be unlikely to prosecute, public opinion can turn turn on a dime, and the mandators may well find themselves in a few years facing zealous prosecutors and an angry jury in a capital case. It happened in Post-war Germany and can happen here.

Besides that, even if not criminally prosecuted, if coercion results in someone taking the jab being injured or dying, the mandators and their insurance companies will be on the hook for damages.




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Tickerguy
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@Georgi - What was the fatality rate BEFORE there were ANY vaccines?

That's what you have to compare the "unvaccinated" number to, and it has to be during a time when the infection rate is identical (or close) as well, since the per-100k numbers are over a time period.

I used winter, and here, as I don't have the UK data for that period, but it's not out of line.

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Hanssachs
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Most of the people in those groups are vaxxed. The ones who aren't fall into three categories: mostly immigrants and so not part of the British mainstream; unvaxxable for numerous reasons; British natives who didn't take the Vax because of either prickly independence or prior infection. I've not seen much prickly independence, except for Farage.

What if most of the unvaccinated have NI, or a higher percentage do, because they didn't get the jab because they had recovered?
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Not buying that @Hanssachs - every bit of scientific work has shown that prior infection is highly protective. Not perfectly-so, but very highly-so. Like three and perhaps as much as four nines so against significant disease.

Of course there are exceptions -- if you're immune compromised all bets are off and there's always "that guy" who doesn't appear to have anything wrong but..... But they're also off in that situation if you get jabbed, so.... yeah.

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"Vaccine mandates and booster vaccines are being pushed by vaccinated people who arent happy with the effectiveness of the vaccine they took." ~ Rep. Massie

What is also happening is government & institutional officials are happy to push fear and then play on the emotions of the fearful to torment all of society.

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Youre scaring the **** out of one of my vaxed friends. He works in a hospital and turned anti-vax a few months ago.

Do you think this data set is large enough to overcome some possible behavioral influences?

1) theyre testing like crazy over there. Couldnt the false positives be greatly increasing the case counts? Might be tempered by the fact that so many young people are getting tested in droves.

2) the vaxed have been running around thinking their Superman. Ive seen an example of this in my corner of the world. Maybe this is a reflection of behavior and the vaxed are getting mild symptoms (I must have allergies) and interacting with people anyway?
Georgi
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@Tickerguy -
Ok, I see what you mean! Since the fatality rate for the unvaccinated is similar to what was before the vaccines were used, we actually are not observing a mutation which has favoured the vaccinated at the expense of the unvaccinated. This is perfectly right! In fact delta appears to be less deadly so it is really the best scenario. Its transmission is not hampered by the vaccines so there is actually no extra pressure for mutations apart from the background antigenic drift.

Aaaaand finally some good news from UK: Urgent: the British are dropping vaccine passports
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urge....

Based on their data this is the only sane thing to do.
Tickerguy
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The bad news.... The vaxxed may be ****ed.

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And now we know why those that test positive that have taken the jabs aren't tallied. The pricks knew this going in.

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https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/ca....

As Hitler rose to power in Germany, one of his early acts was to expel Jewish academics from German universities.

We appear to be witnessing a global phenomenon following Hitler's playbook.

Vaxxed = ubermensch
Unvaxxed = untermensch

The road ahead will be interesting...
Hanssachs
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I'm actually asking if the rate of infection amongst the vaxxed isn't higher because more/higher percentage of the unvaxxed have previously recovered from Covid, explaining WHY they remained unvaxxed against the current of British opinion? France and Italy allow for previous infection in their vaccine passports, which might keep NI people in those countries from getting vaxxed there to get a passport; perhaps the UK has a similar approach?

The grim possibility is that the rate of NI was about the same in both vaxxed and unvaxxed, in which case the vaccines are making people more vulnerable.

How might one untangle this? I'll be using the British data; trying to anticipate challenges. Thanks for highlighting it.
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@Tickerguy

"The problem is that in doing so they **** OTHER PEOPLE, and thus on balance produce Public Harm, not Public Benefit."

Well ****. I thought a Marek's scenario was off the table. Damn. After following Geert Vanden Bossche's work, this is precisely why I decided to start taking Covid DEADLY seriously. Just in case.

Just FYI, I have, as promised, spent today contacting people on Twitter to promote your strike idea. I even bought a domain name and email account.

Just like the last time I tried this kind of activism (in relation to the EU destroying the Internet with Articles 11 and 13), it turns out that a lot of people on "our" side appear to be grifters who have no desire to fix anything. I was told repeatedly that the idea was "stupid" and I had "no idea what I was doing".

I am extremely upset.

Nevertheless, I have other contacts to move forward with this.

It seems amazing to me that a non-American who doesn't live in the US is more motivated and more prepared to spend time and money fixing America than Americans. I am doing this because I legitimately love America and what it ultimately stands for, and also, if this passes, then the rest of the free world is ****ed.

I spent several hours today researching Twitter hashtags/search/Facebook/other groups who are planning something along what you suggested and the only one I could find was https://www.stopmedicalapartheid.org/ which is being promoted by America's Frontline Doctors, which may be good enough. I'm calling them on Monday.

My friend/business partner is a very successful, quite famous African-American music producer. If there is a Congress-critter you can name, he probably has a photo in his album of him with them. This also includes Obama when he was President. I'm going to call him tomorrow and see what doors he can open. However, I am only one person. I do the best I can do. I am trying my best. It turns out that organizing a rebellion on a different (and indifferent) continent single-handedly is quite hard. :)

If anyone wants to help me, please let me know.
Nitrium
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"This data shows conclusively that for anyone between 40 and 79 being vaccinated makes it more-likely for you to get Covid-19."

They don't specifically say in that table that those folks hadn't already had COVID, only that they weren't vaxxed. So I guess maybe the rate there is lower because of natural immunity among the previously infected but unvaxxed? And yes, that's also true for the other side, but there might be significant differences in vaccination rates between those who have not had it vs those who have had the it; like you say, why take it if you already have natural immunity? It does conclusively show the vaccine does next to nothing at best, which makes it ever more confounding that everyone in every Western country is pushing the vaxxes so hard. What are they hiding?
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@Georgi
Very interesting development. Thank you for sharing this with us.
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So it was mentioned on fox houston tv that FDA is conducting trial on IVM to treat covid. THAT IS guarantee to fail. And will likely see results about Nov? when the virus is driving havoc through the land. As long as the NIH, FDA and CDC is in on that trial, it is designed for failed outcome.
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I think the vaxx is being pushed so hard because it is a means to accomplish a number of key goals and objectives:

a) eliminate the unvaxxed control group
b) population reduction - Georgia Guidestones
c) financial incentives from stocks, patents and pharmaceutical sales
d) savings for Medicare and pensions - eliminate financial liability with death of participants on these plans AND
e) springboard for vaxx passports - national identification card

Go ahead, tell me I am wrong.

Tonight I had a heart to heart conversation with my neighbor. He is waivering about getting the vaxx. I gave him a wealth of information and referred him to Market Ticker. He is exactly the person who the vaxx would screw over with cardiac issues. I pointed him to Robert Malone, MD and Peter McCullough, MD. I hope I have swayed him to the "no" side of the ledger. He has two elementary age girls and a wife. They need him healthy and well and alive. Fingers crossed.
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The way to design an Ivermectin trial that will fail is to leave out the zinc (and other components of the FLCCC protocols). Also, if they start too late in the viral illness and/or use too low of dosing - these are also great ways to make sure the trials/ studies fail. I don't trust the alphabet health agencies in any way shape or form to conduct a real study of Ivermectin. Yeah, right. Twenty months of lies and now they are going to speak truth? And pigs can fly.
Tickerguy
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When they couldn't get an HCQ trial to fail they just flat-out forged the data.

And that was peer reviewed, and published.

And THEN caught and retracted, BUT.

1. NOBODY will prescribe it anyway; they all took the "study" as fact.
2. NOBODY went to prison for FORGERY, which is what it was. It was NOT an accident.

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Baboon
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@Susanlauren

Always enjoy your posts, thank you.

I'm not sure if I have posted this here or not before but if I have, I repeat.

I have no idea how I have not found this website before. I am a self-taught trader and have developed a few trading systems (that work) that I have sold publicly.

I have also taught myself a lot of other skills (I use the Internet as the sum of all human knowledge, not for cat videos) including web design, server maintenance, graphic design, music production, video editing etc.

I work with a number of regulated financial entities, including FCA regulated brokerages in the City of London. I have designed their websites and I have created training courses for them with probably 80,000 words per course (PhD length?) and high quality videos. I manage their servers and I provide them with technical consultancy on a retainer basis.

Anyway, I really like the people I work with. These are directors of firms: they are very kind, decent and very smart people.

What's really interesting is that when you get them in a private conversation, every single one of them will tell you that the entire financial system is completely ****ed, that they are riding it as long as it lasts and that the only way to fix it is a nuclear war or some other disaster!

These people aren't conspiracy theorists at all and have 30-40 years of experience in the finance industry. Really makes you think.
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Karl, I have started keeping score, in Texas, on who is dying. I have 3 weeks of data and 2 weeks of death totals, for age groups. I have summed the 2 70's age groups and 60's age groups together. To gain perspective, I'm going to post the age death totals, from 2 weeks ago, for a starting point.


Age Death count Percent of totals

Over 80 17673 32.13
70-80 14431 26.24
60-70 11889 21.62
50-60 6483 11.79
40-50 3035 5.51
Under 40 1480 2.50

Previous week

Age Number of Deaths Percentage of Deaths

Over 80 308 19.16
70-80 325 20.22
60-70 335 20.84
50-60 318 19.78
40-50 191 11.89
Under 40 132 8.22

Last Week

Age Number of Deaths Percentage of Deaths

Over 80 318 18.36
70-80 360 20.79
60-70 408 23.56
50-60 305 17.72
40-50 208 12.00
Under 40 135 7.77

*my percentage totals are off

I can see this didn't come out in the form I wanted and due to my lack of knowing how to fix it, use your imagination, as there are spaces. Sorry

My purpose, for doing this was to see how deadly or effective the jabs were, knowing older people were more likely to get the jabs. Over 80 represents 32% of the cumulative deaths, but only around 19% of the recent deaths. That is about a 40% reduction. Significant. The 70-80 group also saw a small reduction, but the 60-70 year bracket now makes up the largest group of people dying and the trend continues, as one gets younger. The under 40 group now makes up 3 times the percentage of deaths it did against the historical total. There are more deaths under 20, but not enough to create this size of a jump.

What are the explanations? The first one may be that jabs help older people and harm younger ones. Deaths have crept into the previously immume groups. I can see a lot of 20 to 40 year old's being told to get the jabs and going along with it. I know 2 for certain.

Second, the likely to die old people were killed off last year, on contact and the pool of susceptible people has largely been reduced. This would especially be true of nursing home occupants, already lined up to go out, in the next year, backing up a year. If you add in the possibility that the jabs themselves took out many, of the rest, that leaves a more hardy older population.

Third, older people are seeking available treatment quicker, instead of going home and taking Tylenol. There is a lot of pioneer doctors, in this area, in Texas. Another is, they have taken more precautions. Last, the jabs are working, for them better.

Being I'm in the middle, of the 60's, is cause for alarm, for me. I think the 60s likely took as many jabs as the 70's and maybe the 80's. I will say this, my town is masked and I'm not, so I note who is with me. It is usually a few 20 somethings and people between 50-70. If they are wearing the masks, likely they took the jabs, because it is a sign they swallowed the whole cow turd. There are likely other explanations, including the virus is more deadly on younger people, than prior generation.

My speculation is the available people subject to die, in each age group has skewed younger. I must add median age, in Texas is around 36, so over 1/2 the population still represents about 1/12th the deaths, a 5 to 1 under representation. The other end of the spectrum is the over 80 is likely very highly vaccinated and is probably not more than 5% of the population, so they are dying at a 3 to 1 ratio, of their representation This is only a logical guess. I would venture they are 90% jabbed, because few escape the doctors office, for long and end up in the pharmacy often, not to mention nursing homes.

The other end, of this equation is a much lower percentage, of infected, are dying The wave is equal the one last winter, but the deaths are about 1/2 so far and appears to be peaking. I suggest many of the older susceptible were eliminated last year. I suggest, the positive test readings are a little more accurate as well, than the high cycle 2020 tests.

Going back to the point Karl made. If the jabs are working so well, why the high case counts? Over half the unvaccinated are immune, so the cases are occurring in the 80% that aren't naturally immune, including the jabbed. It is hard to have a high case count out of 17% of the population, unless there are a lot of carriers. I suspect the jabs are actually doing the opposite of what they are supposed to do. In any case, I doubt the jabbed are lining up to be tested, unless they actually get ill.

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The way to get Ivermectin to fail is eliminate it.

https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/new....
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Friend told me he was in tsc today and the guy in line in front of him had 9 tubes of horse paste. They checked if he had had past purchases of horse supplies. He didn't and they wouldn't sell it to him. 1% is backordered. Just a heads up.
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