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Conventional_wiz
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Im a little confused about the enhancing mutations in public databases that were mentioned. Does this mean that we do in fact know which specific mutations are likely to be binding or enhancing in some way to cause VEI/ADE?

And if so, I wonder what this means for the non-infected and non-jabbed folks. Do the enhancing mutations spell something scary for these folks? Or can they continue hoping for the natural trend of more mutations tend to equal higher transmissibility but lower virility?

So far the non-jabbed and non-infected (at least not proven to be infect yet) folks seem to have a playbook of waiting it out and hoping that mutations continue to be less and less deadly. All while preparing themselves for the inevitable infection via whatever prophylactic protocols they believe are the best option.
Mjc1960
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The people who ran out for jabs were probably high anxiety high risk types in general.
Shadowmask
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An unvaccinated person will probably act more cautiously, no?


Have you been hiding under the bed your whole life or did the fear porn work on you?

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Tickerguy
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@Conventional_wiz -
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Im a little confused about the enhancing mutations in public databases that were mentioned. Does this mean that we do in fact know which specific mutations are likely to be binding or enhancing in some way to cause VEI/ADE?

Among those we've seen, likely, yes. Proved, no. "Proved" happens when it shows up in a widely-circulating strain and the vaxxed/unvaxxed stats for severe disease inverts.

Of course if that happens it's both proved and the jabbed are ****ed.

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Omegapoint
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Incept: 2020-12-26

San Diego
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I've always speculated that Covid has seasonality and at the beginning of this summer when cases started to tick up I noticed that they also ticked up last summer. However, the number of cases this summer is much higher than last summer; I'm referring to the graph posted by @Robackrman.

I'm wondering if one of the causes for the increase in cases this summer compared to last summer is due to a large percentage of the population being "vaccinated", becoming infected with few to no symptoms but with high viral loads and then infecting other people.

Thoughts?

If this is true, what happens this fall and winter when people will be more susceptible to viruses...? Uh-oh!

Zk118
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Incept: 2016-09-28

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How reliable are the antibody tests at CVS, Kroger etc? I'm surprised I didn't show any antibodies the other day when tested and I'm fairly confident I had the coof December 2020 and exposed to several known infected about 6 weeks ago including my wife who I still slept in the same bed with.
Kareninca
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Until now I was able to read Jerusalem Post articles and get some useful information out of them, and especially out of the comment sections. The articles would at least sometimes say what percentage of people in some condition were vaccinated, and what percentage weren't, and what percentage were partially vaccinated. However, now when they say that someone is "fully vaccinated," you can't tell if they mean with two shots of Pfizer or with two shots of Pfizer AND a booster. And so when they say that "90 percent of the people on ventilators are unvaccinated" - that may well mean that all those people are double shot with Pfizer (but not boosted). Since now the unboosted may count as unvaccinated. The goal posts keep moving, and words mean what they want them to mean.
Cynicdeluxe
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Hate to post and run, but I'm in the middle of a buncha'... "stuff"... and won't get back to this for a few hours. In any case, found this:

https://principia-scientific.com/covid-1....

...and don't have the time to run it to ground until later. If anyone wants to play with a bit, be my guest.
Hilbertspace
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Another data point for consideration:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar....

This article is comparing the risks associated with Alpha versus Delta, but they include some data on vaccinated vs unvaccinated as well. HR = Hazard Ratio; "emergency care attendance" means more involved care at the hospital than just admission - that is, it's more serious.

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The HRs for vaccinated patients with the delta variant versus the alpha variant (adjusted HR for hospital admission 194 [95% CI 047805] and for hospital admission or emergency care attendance 158 [069361]) were similar to the HRs for unvaccinated patients (232 [129416] and 143 [104197]; p=082 for both) but the precision for the vaccinated subgroup was low


Basically you have a HR (1.58 - 1.43 = 0.15) 15% higher with Delta if you are vaccinated. They do qualify that number with low precision for vaccinated numbers.
Chemman
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Incept: 2021-05-03

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@ omegapoint
It depends on where you live. In Arizona the first wave peak was Jun/July 2020. The second wave peak was Jan/Feb 2021 and now the third wave peak was Aug/Sept. The third waves peak is about 60% of the first wave peak last summer and is about 30% of the second wave peak.
Invisiblesun
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The stubborn push to blindly jab everyone irrespective of individual need or risk or health assessment is proof this is deliberate genocide. Oh, the officials would claim theirs is a noble intention but they ought to know better. The jab is an experimental drug and now we have sufficient data to judge the drug is inadequate and to some it is deadly.

One would hope there would be government officials screaming STOP!!

But no.

As with flight 93 twenty years ago, it will be up to American citizens to stop the suicide mission.

I stand with each and every American who says no to the jab and accepts the personal risk of the consequences. My life next year may be very different then my life today. But whatever that life is, I will know that I chose freedom and that will make the outcome worth it.
Thethreeputter
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Incept: 2021-06-28

western slope
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I think Im confused about some of this

So this is aggregate data and we dont know the mechanism. But do we know the time passed since vax values for the jab inputs? Like can we say X% had been jabbed less than 6 months, and X% had been jabbed more than 6 months, or anything like that? Or is that just a total unknown?

Trying to wrap my head around how the jab can prevent HX but increase risk of infection and how this relationship exists over time.
Giannmi
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Incept: 2009-09-03

Nutley NJ
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>The PCR+ "case counts" were clearly bull**** in October @Gordonh as I documented at the time. Why? Because between that and the "silent" (not counted) infections everyone had the ****ing thing by then yet that was clearly not true as the curve was rising again. That's impossible unless a very large percentage of the positives were false.<

Karl - Doesn't this also mean that the 600K+ death figure is inflated to an unknown degree? We knew there was some of that going on (auto accident deaths counted etc) but I would think this must materially impact the quoted death count numbers, not only in the US but abroad.
Luciab
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I have long suspected that the rub may be a released virus that is worse than the jab in that it causes certain death and that MANY w/o either natural immunity or a simulated immunity will die. When your government comes out and tells you that it is going to be a dark winter and they have proven over and over that they do not have the citizens best interest at heart, I take that statement not as a threat, but as a promise.
Bright
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> Doesn't this also mean that the 600K+ death figure is inflated to an unknown degree?

Peak Prosperity did a video on excess deaths and showed that they faked excess deaths by "expecting" less deaths in 2020 than in 2019.
Ceiii2000
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Incept: 2021-05-17

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The one thing that paper from Israel didnt tell you is whether or notas high as the protection is with natural infectionwhats the durability compared to the durability of a vaccine? So it is conceivable that you got infected, youre protected, but you may not be protected for an indefinite period of time, he continued.


-Fraudci

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fauci....

He just can't help himself. The jabs last less than 6 months *******.
Cynicdeluxe
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First of all, I'd like to say that the following ramblings have an adult-beverage component and, therefore, should be taken with a grain of salt...

I suppose if I had to comment on the various ways that the jab can get people, the ones that bother me the most would be the more insidious ways that take longer to develop. To me, the prion deal and the reduction in the number of CD8 killer T-Cells along with the reduction of the #4, 7 & 8 toll-like receptors are especially bad. Those right there have the potential to grab one whole H*ll of a lot more folks in the long run than the clotting issues.

My suspicion is that those are far more broadly mortal wounds than the clotting, anaphylaxis and PEG-allergy stuff. The ADE, OAS and VEI stuff could be manageable with the monoclonals and other already-utilized therapeutics, if they absolutely had to while pursuing the "off ramp" contingency.

And all that said, if the lion's share of the folks who are dying of breakthrough COVID are basically elderly and/or in REALLY bad shape due to decidedly unhealthy lifestyle choices, then the overall loss of years of life won't be statistically significant. H*ll... it never really has been up to this point, anyhow, even though it sounds kinda' cold-blooded when you put it that way.

But the cancer and CJD potential are truly frightening, because those are a lot more unavoidable, if correct, by way of the rather-more universal biochemical mechanisms. It's not like they would be confined to some tiny cohort--it's more like they could clean up all the folks that the other effects missed.

Was that coherent?

Boughtthefarm
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This information will bounce off American covidians as if you rolled up the paper and tossed it at them. Astra Zenenca they'll say. My Pfizer is perfectly effective.
Dingleberry
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Jal
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Incept: 2009-03-25

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" will kill those individuals at a materially higher rate."
Will excess death go over 1%?
Jwm_in_sb
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Tell that to the hospitalized Israelis.
Jc3
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Incept: 2020-03-02

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Would this data put a brown floaty in the punch bowl if sent Certified Mail to insurance carriers, corp health and safety personnel, corp CEO and management, and copied to a legal team?

Asking for about 600+ friends...
Cmoledor
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Awesome writing as per usual.

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Georgi
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Incept: 2021-07-07

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@Shermanbroder

Well actually it looks like we already HAVE a weak Marek scenario at least by the UK data:
1. Mass vaccination with leaky vaccines
2. The currently selected dominant strain is more deadly for the unvaccinated

How weak it is: below the table comparing the percentage of the vaccinated population per age group vs the percentage of the vaccinated among the fatalities. The numbers are computed using the table 5a from the document that Karl is referring to.

What we have is:
1. majority of the population in the west is vaccinated with vaccines that do not even reduce transmission
2. the natural evolutionary dynamics is such that it selects for the less severe strain

Therefore the chances are that the virus would prefer to 'select' for a mutation which is less severe to the vaccinated even if it is more deadly for the unvaccinated. Nothing personal, just the fact that the vaccinated are the majority. A mutation which is less severe for both groups is even better, from the evolutionary perspective. Therefore, even if some variant with pronounced VEI appears it will not become dominant. I mean the current strain can already spread very efficiently, so why the evolution should select for something which is more severe and hence will reduce transmission (the symptomatic will isolate).

A stronger Marek's scenario is the vaccine pushers' wet dream, no? You can almost suggest they are pushing for it. If you hold the technology for the life saving vaccine you're not only controlling your population. You rule the whole world.
"You've got a country that runs an antitrust probe against google? Well I guess the next batch with vaccines will be a bit late ..."
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You can bet the scum at the CDC and Mental Midget Mengele had a hand in this ****. They can't have the Aussies getting better using Ivermectin and showing the world that it helps. Total Nazi conspiracy.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/decis....
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