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2021-09-11 09:12 by Karl Denninger
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I told you a few weeks ago I was seeing very disturbing data that strongly suggested the jabs were, in some form or fashion, destroying existing immunity or otherwise potentiating more-severe disease.  I didn't have the hard data to quantify it, but I've mentioned the drift in the data streams for some time now.  It was clear and convincing, but not quantifiable.  Until now.

I didn't then (and still don't) know the mechanism; I don't have billions of dollars of lab laying around I can play with.  But on the data it was happening; it was not conclusive but the evidence shift was clear in the data pattern; what had been protection from being harmed if you were jabbed was trending toward neutral in the aggregate and anecdotes suggested harm.

Well, now we have it, and yeah, it's harm.

 

Note the right two columns.  They adjust for per-100,000, which is the only accurate way to do it -- you must adjust raw rates for the population prevalence of the specific condition under test.

This data shows conclusively that for anyone between 40 and 79 being vaccinated makes it more-likely for you to get Covid-19.

That means what you think it does: If you took the jabs you are the plague rat; you are more-likely to get (and thus transmit) the disease than an unvaccinated person.

Britain had studiously avoided publishing the ranged data like this in their updates until now.  I don't know why they did it this time but it doesn't matter.  Their data continues to claim that the jabs are effective in preventing hospitalization and death but the exact opposite is true when it comes to getting Covid-19 which means those who are vaccinated may acquire personal protection but in doing so become Angels of Death to others.

If you have trouble with numerical tables here it is in bar charts:

 

In addition this is arguably one of the most-immune populations -- or should I say allegedly immune -- on the planet.  

n this report, we present the results using a 4-weekly average, of testing samples up to 27 August 2021, which takes account of the age and geographical distribution of the English population. Overall, the proportion of the population with antibodies using the Roche N and Roche S assays respectively were 18.1% and 97.7% for the period 2 August to 27 August (weeks 31 to 34) (Figure 3). This compares with 18.2% Roche N seropositivity and 97.0% Roche S seropositivity for the period of 5 July to 30 July (weeks 27 to 30).

In other words 97% of the population has either infection-acquired immunity or vaccination-acquired "alleged" immunity.  That is so close to 100% it is indistinguishable and makes clear that Biden's actions not only won't work they can't because even with effectively 100% coverage Delta continues to go straight through vaccinated individual's immunity and, as the above data shows, the vaccinated are the ones spreading the virus.  They are literal plague rats killing the unvaccinated who have not seroconverted.

Let me be perfectly-clear: The vaccines are worthless in stopping the acquisition and transmission of disease.  With nearly 100% antibody coverage if the jabs worked at all Britain would be a literal dead-end for anyone who got the virus and it would be gone there.  Cases would be as common as measles; onsie-twosie here and there.  It isn't gone which is hard, scientific proof that the jabs do not work to stop Covid-19 from circulating in the population and this data proves that in fact it makes infection and transmission more-likely rather than less in very large swaths of the population as a whole.

The seroconversion prevalence by prior infection is very close to the NEJM numbers for the United States.  As such we can expect the same outcome here; if you are seroconverted you are safe and sterile immune but if you are vaccinated and between 40 and 79 you are not only getting Covid you are infecting and killing those who have not seroconverted via infection and in fact are driving both unvaccinated and vaccine-failure infections leading to serious disease and death.

Also, as expected young people are over-represented in having had Covid-19 and thus being presumptively immune.  In the UK for those under 30 that number stands at 27.7%, greater than one in four.  These people have no reason whatsoever to take the jabs as all they offer is personal risk.

The data is clear:

  • The jabs are destroying existing immunity in that they have negative effectiveness in preventing infection among a wide swath of the population.  If you get (or have been) vaccinated and are between 40 and 79 you are more-likely to acquire a Covid-19 infection and thus be able to spread it than an unvaccinated individual.

  • The jabs do appear to continue to confer protection against hospitalization and death however this must be, on a public-health basis, compared with what they do to others.  For those who cannot be vaccinated (e.g. immune compromised where the jabs will not "take", for example) creating a mass of walking plague rats will kill those individuals at a materially higher rate.  Public health is about the aggregate impact on the population.  We made the decision to change the DTP vaccine in children to DTaP because, even though as the latter is non-sterilizing and thus occasionally caused an infant to get infected by his sibling and get very sick or die the aggregate harm was lower than that caused by the DTP vaccine across everyone, including those who needed tetanus boosters and could not get a stand-alone tetanus shot as they are not produced.

  • The trend toward failure in preventing death is one of deterioration.  While this has not yet accelerated greatly it likely will.  This is due to two problems; the sequencing in public databanks which suggests VEI is just a matter of time and waning antibody titers over time.  These two are are very likely to combine in the months ahead and the probability of them doing so into the maw of flu season this winter is, by my estimation and previous timelines for mutation (e.g. Delta's emergence in said databanks to it becoming prevalent) is likely odds-on.  If it happens those not previously infected but vaccinated are going to get slaughtered this winter given the above data.  If this is done intentionally by some nation that just-coincidentally doesn't allow the vaccines that exhibit this problem as we do in in the US, the UK, Israel and similar.....

Let me point out that recombination, which is how someone with a lab would create said "oh crap!" strain, is easy.  It is one of the natural mechanisms by which new strains emerge.  For this reason and because no manual tampering with the virus is necessary to do it proving someone did it and it was a natural event when it happens will be, other than by direct capture and testimony of the persons responsible will be impossible.

There is an argument for those who are specifically-morbid, which is correlated (but not caused) by age to take the jabs.  But for those who are not morbid the data continues to show that while there is no such thing as a risk-free existence and this virus can and occasionally does get people without morbidity it almost-never kills or hospitalizes you.  Mass-vaccinating the healthy, however, winds up killing those who cannot (not by choice, but by medical necessity) take said jabs.

To be blunt: I acquired sterilizing immunity to infection by taking personal risk in that I got Covid-19.  I did not do that intentionally (that would be stupid) but I did prepare for what I considered inevitable, and it occurred.  What I did not do was put others at enhanced risk, which the data now says occurs if you are not previously infected and get jabbed for the benefit of my own protection against severe disease.  I also did not take the risk of the next mutation killing me, a risk that, if vaccinated you cannot un-do once you do it.

The evidence is clear: While we should continue to make available said jabs any form of compulsion is in fact manslaughter since there is a reasonable contingent of persons who, for medical reasons, cannot be vaccinated and thus cannot avail themselves of the option to be protected against hospitalization and death.  In non-morbid people this protection is of little value since the base rate of harm is extremely low.

To repeat: Mass-vaccinating non-morbid people kills the unable-to-be-vaccinated through intentional increase of their risk which exceeds the benefit to the non-morbid vaccinated person.  It is thus not only contrary to public health it can legitimately be considered maliciously so and thus intentional manslaughter or worse.

Joe Biden and your employer, if they go along with it, are trying to kill your immune-compromised child, mother, father or grandparent.

That's the data and it is likely to get even worse in the weeks and months ahead.

One final thought: If you took the jabs before now, not knowing the above then it is what it is; you were deceived, told this wouldn't happen and thus are the victim of a bunch of murderous pricks who knew damn well that there was every reason to believe this might happen due to previous attempts to create coronavirus vaccines.  As I said above if you're materially morbid I can understand the choice, even today, although I think you're going to seriously regret it, possibly within months.  But if you, as a non-morbid person, irrespective of age, take those jabs now whether of your own free will or a mandate you're a five-alarm *******, a minion of the Devil, you're willing to kill others for alleged "protection" that is statistically worth zero to you, I want nothing to do with you as you a monster and I hope you get what you deserve for doing so in this life or the next and it hurts.  That goes double if you give it to your children; they are at statistical zero risk and thus you're intentionally killing other people and deserve to hang for it.

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"The jabs do appear to continue to confer protection against hospitalization and death"

Can you please substantiate this statement?
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I think if we didn't come up during the Trump administration with the vaccine, you could have 100 million people dead, just like you had in 1917, Trump said in an interview on Fox News that aired Saturday night.


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@Blanca - That ********** can blow me. He's the REASON we have this problem about to blow up in our faces; if we had taken the usual 5-10 years to qualify these ****ing things we'd have known of the problem before mass-distribution AND STOPPED IT, or at least limited them to seriously-morbid people which, on-balance, may still make some sense.

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@Dnomsed - Read the report. They do appear to provide some personal level of protection, and fairly good protection at that. The problem is that in doing so they **** OTHER PEOPLE, and thus on balance produce Public Harm, not Public Benefit.

If (more like WHEN) the already-known enhancement mutations get into circulation that will turn into wildly harmful for everyone including those who got jabbed UNLESS you were previously infected.

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If you can see this trend in the data, I presume TPTB scientists can as well. Do you think they are worried? Or will they just find another scapegoat and/or change the subject.
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Oh they know its there @Blanca and the bad news is that we're ONE mutation away, whether natural or intentionally blended and released, which is NOT HARD for anyone with the proper lab to do since the samples are already in existence and known to be enhancing to recombine and intentionally release.

Recombination is easy and happens all the time in the wild; you take the two strains (e.g. Delta and a sample with the enhancement mutation) and deliberately infect a cell line in the lab on a repeated basis until reassortment occurs and what comes out the other end is the combined strain with both traits.

Then you disseminate it and, since it's wildly-successful at out-competing the other strains it becomes dominant and ****s everyone who got jabbed but wasn't infected and thus doesn't have any N-protein protection.

PROVING someone did that deliberately would be almost-impossible since you are not editing anything yourself -- you're simply exploiting an existing natural process.

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Meanwhile, the CDC is still full of sh*t https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/m....
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They conveniently ignore mid-July onward and publish this date-specific bull**** -- intentionally so.

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Yep. I don't know why anyone listens to anything they have to say at this point. There is better, more mature data elsewhere and has been for some time.

Even outside of their outright lying and misrepresentations; they have been wrong about nearly everything since January of 2020 when they swore there was no risk to the US while China was welding people in to buildings.
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That CDC data is 2 to 5 months old. Give us data from the August, they have it. As Twain said "Lies, damn lies and statistics!"

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This is interesting and actually rather funny. All of the liberal-left weenies in my area are saying you must get vaccinated to protect others and that it is your social "duty". Now we know that it is the precise opposite. It is your social duty NOT to get vaccinated in order to prevent spreading it to others and that getting vaccinated is actually the more selfish act. I like how I can now turn this around against the liberal-left weenies.

I am laughing my ass off at this one!

Of course this says nothing about all of the other known personal harms from the vaccines (clotting, autoimmune disorders, etc.).

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Do you feel any upper level government people are watching this data and will change course as a result? Specifically abandon vaccine mandates.

It seems to me they are running head on into this will no brakes applied now or in the foreseeable future. Also with Delta showing signs of possible plateau in terms of cases, it seems .gov knows something we dont.

It becomes more difficult with each passing day to no observe all of this through a lens of intentional harm directed at US citizens.

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..they have been wrong about nearly everything since January of 2020 when they swore there was no risk to the US while China...


I would change that to THEY HAVE INTENTIONALLY LIED to us about everything since 1/2020.

Yesterday, I saw Sanjay Gupta ask Fauci about Natural Immunity. 1). I was shocked he actually asked that question and 2). The answer of course was all Fauxi. "I dont have a really firm answer for you on that." Liar Liar pants on...

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Recombination is easy and happens all the time in the wild; you take the two strains (e.g. Delta and a sample with the enhancement mutation) and deliberately infect a cell line in the lab on a repeated basis until reassortment occurs and what comes out the other end is the combined strain with both traits.

Then you disseminate it and, since it's wildly-successful at out-competing the other strains it becomes dominant and ****s everyone who got jabbed but wasn't infected and thus doesn't have any N-protein protection.


How much you want to bet that someone is already doing this?

OTOH, would this risk only apply to those only recently vaccinated since the antibodies from such fade within 4-5 months? Or is the risk permanent? If the former, the timing is critical on the part of the lab guy. If the latter, they can do it whenever they want and at their leisure.

Anyone with $200K lying around and biotech lab skills can do this work. Remember that most of that $200K pays for the overhead.

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It sounds to me like we are approaching a Marek's disease scenario: "You don't want to be an unvaccinated chicken."
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"PROVING someone did that deliberately would be almost-impossible since you are not editing anything yourself -- you're simply exploiting an existing natural process."

Through all the bull****, the above has been my biggest fear all along. That things were not adding up became rather clear last May/June time frame as 15 days turned into an eternity...that and the easily available pandemic guidelines prior to covid that were thrown out the window. Only Sweden averted the mob pressure (that Tegnell deserves whatever award that has not been corrupted) and they came out through the other side as well as can be expected (normal excess mortality figures in 2020).

I slowly started to replace incompetence with malice as one decision/policy after another made no sense. Watching fellow citizens become consumed with hysterical fear and anxiety was troubling but I assured myself that the madness of crowds would fade and we would eventually get back to normal. But then it dawned on me that if I was up to no good and needed full compliance (for whatever ends), I would need to figure out a way to the minority of the populace that had not YET been traumatized into an irrational stupor. What better way than to release another pathogen at just the right time. This would further diminish the numbers of the non-compliant (and rational). Repeat if necessary.

Karl - You raised an excellent point about not being able to prove it but I posit that it does not even matter as the timing is crucial. Stir up panic and jam through monstrous policies into that maw. Just look at how they have dragged out the lab leak investigation with no accountability in sight.

The other valid objection to this is that the purveyors of malice would be risking themselves and playing with fire. I grant that and that is the one piece of the puzzle that confounds but perhaps they know more about this virus than they are letting on. I don't know and as I sit here waiting for my employer to drop the hammer on the vax mandate, my life is about to face tremendous upheaval.

Bottom line: the people in charge MUST be aware of the evil that they are forcing on us. If nothing else, the refusal to acknowledge natural immunity is the most glaring absurdity imaginable and I can reach no other conclusion that there must be malice beyond all of it.
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Makes you wonder why no consideration for Natural Immunity and demand you get vaxed anyway. It's either

A). They know that NI is actually protective and the vax screws that up.
B). They want to jab everyone to be able to roll out the vax passport handcuffs.
C). They know that if too many NI's survive the next big wave and SI's don't (simulated immunity), more will figure this crap out.
D). They can get away with blaming the unvaxed when all the SI's start having bad outcomes.
E). All the above

Apply the same to Ivermectin, HCQ, other anti-inflammatory agents or treatments.

Biden's long dark Winter approaches. Prepare/Plan accordingly.
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@Abelardlindsey - Nobody knows if the risk is permanent. The data I'm looking at to this point implies (but doesn't prove) that within 12 months or so the risk should fade off PROVIDED you do not get jabbed again.

But whether that "fade" is linear, correlates with titer with a cut-off (becomes relevant at some level and then fades as the titer does) or some other relationship is entirely unknown. To DATE there is no circulating strain we know of -- although there is CERTAINLY evidence that it IS circulating due to people like Oscar de la Hoya -- that is causing this to happen. I suspect it IS out there already, but so far is not dominant.

If it becomes dominant either through natural events or forcing by China or some other malevolent actor by the time we figure it out there will be nothing we can do about it.

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@Shermanbroder - Nope. ZERO evidence to support such a scenario thus far. My money is on it not happening for a whole host of reasons.

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Indeed they did and remembering Ben Bernanke in 2007 saying "Subprime is contained" I promptly bought myself as many SPY puts as I could afford on January 23rd of last year and held until pretty close to the bottom. If the government vehemently says something, the opposite is always most likely to be true it seems.
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After reading this and considering Joe's big threat in his speech the other day. This combined with how long that regulation is going to take to get drafted (comment period, etc.), I believe that whole thing was an ass covering exercise on Biden's part, or so he thinks. That rule won't be written until after VEI hits with full gusto.

I have to wonder if the prophylaxes I am taking would even prevent CV19 if I were sufficiently exposed to it given my immune status. I have a hard time believing I wasn't exposed to it when I was in the hospital recently but I didn't develop anything so I guess I'm lucky.


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Nobody knows @Patentleathershoes -- but there's a decent shot at it. Of course you could go run an antibody test on yourself if you haven't; it's entirely possible to get infected, fight it off and not have symptoms. If that happened then you still should have durable protection.

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That's reassuring. Obviously one reason is that unlike unvaccinated chickens, we unvaccinated humans have effective treatments available like ivermectin.
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Remember as well that chickens (broilers) have a very short life-cycle. This in turn means acquired immunity does not have time to accumulate. That's a major component of why it happened.

There's a lot more involved here but as of right now I see neither any indication of it in the data nor do the mechanistic probabilities line up for it. That doesn't mean it can't happen and I've previously noted that it could, but IMHO at this point I discount it as "highly unlikely."

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